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Grigore
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Amanita Muscaria Drying and Consumption Issues
#18942732 - 10/06/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So I've found some amanitas in the forest and I'm willing to dry them in a way or another,but,I can't use the following methods to dry them because of my parents and other reasons: -fan drying -using a food dehydrator -using a desiccant (EXCEPT normal (table) salt) How should I dry them and how long would it take? Would it be good to get a jar full of table salt and put small pieces of mushrooms in it? Or,is it good to dry them by pressing them against a hard/tough surface?(after few hours they are already rotted if I use this method)(if you dry them in this way,will the ibotenic acid convert into muscimol?) By the way,I tried eating them 2 times before. First time ate half of a raw cap and felt nothing,just moderate nausea and eventually vomited and second time,ate an entire raw cap-extreme nausea,vomited and still nothing. So,what do you think about the methods that I used and what other method should I use to actually dry them without the shrooms starting to rot?  Also,I'm planning to take them under the effects of sleep deprivation,I'm currently awake for 48+ hours right now.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Drying and Consumption Issues [Re: Grigore]
#18942914 - 10/06/13 11:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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get some sleep man but maybe put em in a toaster oven on the lowest heat for hours im pretty blasted at the moment but that could work like do that overnight or something. can't you find a spot to hide em?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Drying and Consumption Issues [Re: Fuckspice]
#18942927 - 10/06/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Forgot to mention that I'm also on amphetamines,but I'm fucking okay,just saw my dead grandmother lying in my bed,I thought that but it is,I'm a bit fucked if I want to right a fast reply and I must analyze what I say to be sure that everything is in it's place. What is a toaster oven? that thing that makes bread hot and good? if is that kind,my toaster has only 1 button,no heat options,need other method. will they actually dry if I hide them somewhere? or do you mean,do they dry if i put them in a place with no air? for example(air tight container?,wouldn't they rot?)
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Drying and Consumption Issues [Re: Grigore]
#18942935 - 10/06/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i dunno man but maybe try a normal oven to dry them i dunno what that would do. i don't know much about drying
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Grigore
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Drying and Consumption Issues [Re: Fuckspice]
#18942961 - 10/07/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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my normal food oven has no temperature setting,wouldn't I lose the muscimol from heating the mushrooms this way? I don't know at what temperature it is heating,need a bit more advice before I completely lose my mind,inside this utterly doomed psychosis,hope is hard to find,the paranoia,the fear of what is forsaken,of what I don't know,is the single thing that,emotionally,I will be able to show.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Drying and Consumption Issues [Re: Grigore]
#18943809 - 10/07/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They are poisonous raw Don't eat them raw Might wanna read up in mushrooms a bit before you kill yourself They won't kill you by the way, but will make you sick Make sure you have amanita mascara not another amanita sp.
Dry in oven.. 200 degree Your other ways you mentioned won't work
Don't get overly excited by them.. They are not the same feeling or experience as psilocybin mushrooms
Also... Not the age police here but have to be over 17 years old to be in the forums
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Drying and Consumption Issues [Re: HarryL]
#18944096 - 10/07/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Aren't there any people over 18+ that live with their parents? how fast would they dry if I dry them in the oven? muscimol evaporates at 180 C as far as I know,will the ibotenic acid evaporate at 90 C(200 degree) or it will convert to muscimol?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Drying and Consumption Issues [Re: Grigore]
#18947938 - 10/08/13 02:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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At 190F Ibotenic acid (toxin) decarboxylation yields the lovely Muscimol.
Keep this temp in your oven by putting in an oven-safe thermometer you can see and leave the door cracked a bit for steam and maybe place a pan beneath them to save any drippings.
You can also shade dry them and then make tea at 190F using a candy thermometer to monitor temperature.
Either way, after they are prepared; expose your treat to sunlight just before enjoying; any remaining Ibotenic will be degraded to harmless Muscazone.
If you have a box fan I hear you can also dry things w/ it by turning it upside down (on top of/between a couple chairs maybe) and placing the items atop the back of the fan for it to sort of suck the moisture out of them.
If you really want it to work, drink your pee (2 or 3 times even) afterwards as 80% of Muscimol is excreted unchanged therein. Beware; this can be intensely powerful (do the math); but it also is very clean as any toxins are filtered in the first pass.
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid)
All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
Edited by flickedbic (10/08/13 02:07 AM)
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Drying and Consumption Issues [Re: flickedbic]
#18948105 - 10/08/13 04:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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my oven has no heat settings,at which temperature do you think it heats? at which temperature do ovens without heat setting might heat?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Drying and Consumption Issues [Re: Grigore]
#18948314 - 10/08/13 06:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Does it have a dial or is is just a "low medium high" type deal?
Buy an oven-safe thermometer; stick it in there and turn the oven on. What temp does the thermometer say it runs at?
You can dry them using Epsom salt. Just put the Epsom salt in the oven on high heat and it will turn into a desiccant. It is super easy: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15546948 ^^^Epsom Salt Tek! Drying anyone can afford^^^
This is how I finished drying my amanitas (after placing them out in the wind and then the oven for a bit).
You can also skewer the fresh mushrooms and roast them over a fire just like marshmallows to cook/decarboxylate them, and I can attest to this working well also...
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid)
All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
Edited by flickedbic (10/08/13 06:23 AM)
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Drying and Consumption Issues [Re: flickedbic]
#18964004 - 10/11/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Now,my question is,can I put the amanitas in boiling water and stir them for 10 minutes,then filter the water and drink it? will the ibotenic acid turn into muscimol and will I get all of it converted and none of the muscimol evaporated? (heard that ibotenic acid converts to muscimol at around 80 C and muscimol is lost at 180 C,so,this method sounds plausible)
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Drying and Consumption Issues [Re: Grigore]
#18964632 - 10/11/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think the Muscimol will evaporate if you extract for longer than just 10 minutes (30 would be better IMO for a more full conversion). Just use a candy thermomter to keep the correct temperature (88C or 190F).
I would not go much over 90C or under 88c. Stir to drop temp.
Expose tea to sunlight just prior to drinking for a final conversion of remaining Ibotenic acid to harmless Muscazone.
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid)
All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
Edited by flickedbic (10/11/13 03:58 PM)
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Drying and Consumption Issues [Re: flickedbic]
#19025339 - 10/24/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you,but what if I stir at around 95 Celsius or even 100,what could possibly happen?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Drying and Consumption Issues [Re: Grigore]
#19025529 - 10/24/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Invitation to degradation.
Why do you want to go hotter? I would make sure to at least keep it below 93C.
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid)
All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Drying and Consumption Issues [Re: Grigore]
#19025534 - 10/24/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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DMSO can aid decarboxylation of muscimol.
Use silica or something as a desiccant. Table salt doesn't have high enough a capacity to hydrate. Use Drierite if you want to go that route, or maybe anhydrous magnesium sulfate.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Drying and Consumption Issues [Re: flickedbic]
#19029360 - 10/25/13 01:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So,if I don't have a thermometer,should I wait until the water is boiling and then stir the water,put the shrooms when it stops boiling and constantly stir for 10 minutes?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Drying and Consumption Issues [Re: Grigore]
#19031596 - 10/25/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That sounds good; you could even then do a light simmer & stir over a half hour.
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid)
All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
Edited by flickedbic (10/25/13 03:17 PM)
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