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Would Kratom be Right for My Parents?
    #18942063 - 10/06/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So, My Parents for years have had serious Opiate addiction
My Mother has been in treatment multiple times for it

Now it seems better, but they are taking Suboxone (Buprenorphine & Naxalone)
and now they are trying to quit this with out success

I've planned on getting Kratom for my self (I've never done any Opiates)
and I'm wondering if it would be beneficial for me to introduce it to them

Any Suggestions?

Thanks

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Re: Would Kratom be Right for My Parents? [Re: SeattleBlue] * 1
    #18942067 - 10/06/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:shrug:
Couldn't tell you, everyone is different.
Sounds to me like they don't really have their shit together. You don't need any one drug to quit another, just the strength of mind to do it.


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Re: Would Kratom be Right for My Parents? [Re: something super extreme]
    #18942073 - 10/06/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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sVs said:
:shrug:
Couldn't tell you, everyone is different.
Sounds to me like they don't really have their shit together. You don't need any one drug to quit another, just the strength of mind to do it.



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Re: Would Kratom be Right for My Parents? [Re: SeattleBlue]
    #18942084 - 10/06/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Couldn't hurt at all.

The thing is you can't really stop suboxone on a whim without ridiculous withdrawal so they'd have to taper, but it's worth a try.

As sad as it is to say, don't expect to fix their problems yourself.
Hope that they do fix themselves, of course, but don't expect it to happen.


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Re: Would Kratom be Right for My Parents? [Re: SeattleBlue]
    #18942093 - 10/06/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I haven't personally tried Kratom, but i've heard from close friends that it works WONDERS for opiate withdrawal. Suboxone is nasty stuff. After being on it in the past, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. The WD's are even worse than heroin or diluadid withdrawal :sick:


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Re: Would Kratom be Right for My Parents? [Re: pcplease]
    #18942099 - 10/06/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Suboxone is a hellish bitch of a drug to get off. The withdrawals last for fucking ever.
I had to use Heroin just to quit Subutex.


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Re: Would Kratom be Right for My Parents? [Re: RockyRaccoon]
    #18942103 - 10/06/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thats why I thought Kratom would be suitable

...If only Ibogaine was available
Fucking DEA


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Re: Would Kratom be Right for My Parents? [Re: SeattleBlue]
    #18942113 - 10/06/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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SeattleBlue said:
Thats why I thought Kratom would be suitable

...If only Ibogaine was available
Fucking DEA




It's not that difficult to obtain Ibogaine. But it's semi-dangerous and should seriously be considered a last effort when it comes to getting off opiates.


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Re: Would Kratom be Right for My Parents? [Re: SeattleBlue]
    #18942116 - 10/06/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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SeattleBlue said:
Thats why I thought Kratom would be suitable

...If only Ibogaine was available
Fucking DEA





It couldn't hurt to give kratom a try :shrug:

I wish your parents the best of luck. Kicking is never easy.

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Re: Would Kratom be Right for My Parents? [Re: SeattleBlue]
    #18942123 - 10/06/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ibogaine definitely isn't a cure-all...
The users still have to want to quit, or relapse is inevitable.

You can get it online if you look around long enough.


And yup, ibogaine can kill amongst lesser physical effects, and can be extremely psychologically traumatizing (PTSD level of extremely).


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Re: Would Kratom be Right for My Parents? [Re: pcplease]
    #18942141 - 10/06/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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pcplease said:
Ibogaine definitely isn't a cure-all...
The users still have to want to quit, or relapse is inevitable.

You can get it online if you look around long enough.


And yup, ibogaine can kill amongst lesser physical effects, and can be extremely psychologically traumatizing (PTSD level of extremely).



I Guess

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Re: Would Kratom be Right for My Parents? [Re: SeattleBlue]
    #18942463 - 10/06/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's worth a try. I've heard of it helping with withdrawal.


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Re: Would Kratom be Right for My Parents? [Re: SeattleBlue]
    #18948978 - 10/08/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for covering this subject. I think Kratom is a fantastic substance to use for quitting heavier substances. I wrote reply to a comment on why coffee is more addictive than Kratom on my blog http://whitestrain.com/blog/2013/7/13/fo

To make it clear, is not any more dangerous to be addicted to coffee than food, but the point that it is more addictive is still relevant toward your blog post. Being addictive to one drug (read:one alkaloid like coffee or heroin or methadon) makes you more addicted because it is disturbing the brain balance more.

The reason might be that coffee contain one alkaloid while Kratom contain more than 20 different. One alkaloid (in the coffee comparison caffeine is only alkaloid of any significance in coffee),that binds to fewer receptors than many alkaloids would do as Kratom contains. That is probably at least one of the reasons why Kratom is not that addictive as coffee (the alkaloid caffeine) or any other drug. Also the pharms using the cause effect logic to get approval and prove what works also make it impossible for them to give a mix of 20 alkaloids for example. They would never get approval.

thanks again for good writing. If you go to whitestrain.com you could get a free kratom sample sent to your address


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Re: Would Kratom be Right for My Parents? [Re: AndreasT]
    #18949279 - 10/08/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've been on kratom for over a year and a half. If I need to I can quite but it's sort of a pain in the ass for a few days. Withdrawals from this do not even scratch opiates, seriously.

Make sure you do a lot of looking around to get a trustworthy vendor but I've heard once you have a good strain, it can easily trump opiate withdrawals. Haven't gone through true withdrawals from opiates despite getting into heroin, oxy, etc. but I've done a lot of looking into it.


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Re: Would Kratom be Right for My Parents? [Re: AndreasT]
    #18950422 - 10/08/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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AndreasT said:
Thanks for covering this subject. I think Kratom is a fantastic substance to use for quitting heavier substances. I wrote reply to a comment on why coffee is more addictive than Kratom on my blog http://whitestrain.com/blog/2013/7/13/fo

To make it clear, is not any more dangerous to be addicted to coffee than food, but the point that it is more addictive is still relevant toward your blog post. Being addictive to one drug (read:one alkaloid like coffee or heroin or methadon) makes you more addicted because it is disturbing the brain balance more.

The reason might be that coffee contain one alkaloid while Kratom contain more than 20 different. One alkaloid (in the coffee comparison caffeine is only alkaloid of any significance in coffee),that binds to fewer receptors than many alkaloids would do as Kratom contains. That is probably at least one of the reasons why Kratom is not that addictive as coffee (the alkaloid caffeine) or any other drug. Also the pharms using the cause effect logic to get approval and prove what works also make it impossible for them to give a mix of 20 alkaloids for example. They would never get approval.

thanks again for good writing. If you go to whitestrain.com you could get a free kratom sample sent to your address



I feel flattered by you creating an account just for my thread

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Re: Would Kratom be Right for My Parents? [Re: SeattleBlue]
    #18950438 - 10/08/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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SeattleBlue said:
Quote:

AndreasT said:
Thanks for covering this subject. I think Kratom is a fantastic substance to use for quitting heavier substances. I wrote reply to a comment on why coffee is more addictive than Kratom on my blog http://whitestrain.com/blog/2013/7/13/fo

To make it clear, is not any more dangerous to be addicted to coffee than food, but the point that it is more addictive is still relevant toward your blog post. Being addictive to one drug (read:one alkaloid like coffee or heroin or methadon) makes you more addicted because it is disturbing the brain balance more.

The reason might be that coffee contain one alkaloid while Kratom contain more than 20 different. One alkaloid (in the coffee comparison caffeine is only alkaloid of any significance in coffee),that binds to fewer receptors than many alkaloids would do as Kratom contains. That is probably at least one of the reasons why Kratom is not that addictive as coffee (the alkaloid caffeine) or any other drug. Also the pharms using the cause effect logic to get approval and prove what works also make it impossible for them to give a mix of 20 alkaloids for example. They would never get approval.

thanks again for good writing. If you go to whitestrain.com you could get a free kratom sample sent to your address



I feel flattered by you creating an account just for my thread

:raisemyglass:




I don't like his website layout.



:puke:

The blog seems interesting though.


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Re: Would Kratom be Right for My Parents? [Re: SeattleBlue]
    #18950484 - 10/08/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In theory yes, but its normally not considered good to just substitute one drug for another, but I guess that's what suboxone is for temporarily and it works.

As long as they aren't trying to replace one drug for anoter and use it for weaning. Although I think I recall Kratom being un addictive, but it may be habit forming I'd like to think. I've never done any opiate and everytime I've tried Kratom it did NOTHING. I even have told people this and they have me some of theirs and theirs didnt work either. I have met a couple other people like this as well, so it may not even be as good as suboxone.


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