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Invisiblehappyfunguy
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MycoKey said I had a Gymnopilus junonius, but I don't believe it.
    #18941720 - 10/06/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I guess I'm not looking for an ID as much as I'm looking to find out what, macroscopically, differentiates a junonious from a luteofolius, or if there's some other PNW blue-bruising species that has an annulus and fits macroscopically between those two. it almost seems like a cross-breed. (My camera sucks so badly for this kind of stuff that it would probably hurt more than help.)

MycoKey said I had a Gymnopilus junonius, but I don't believe them. I think I've got a luteofolius. I would have guessed liquiritiae, but the annulus is obvious. They're far too red/orange and bruise too obviously to be junonious, and they were mostly spread out over a large piece of semi-buried wood, rather than in clusters as with most of the junonious I've found in the past, and they're far too dark and reddish-tinged overall, no matter what level of maturity. The ones I got from the same exact habitat last year were even darker red and bruised more readily, and the key I used last year (not MycoKey) led me to luteofolius.

I did leave a good 65% of the total visible fruiting bodies to mature, and there were plenty of pins beyond the larger immature fruiting bodies that were tiny enough that I wouldn't think to harvest them... Point being, I'll be going back to this group, probably more than a couple times this season, so if there's not enough info here to help me get clear on this (or I get a camera worth a damn,) I can keep an eye open in the future for specific differentiation aspects suggested by those more experienced and educated than myself.

Gotta get a better camera.
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Habitat: Wood - semi buried and grass-covered well-degraded log of unknown type at a paved trail-side.

Gills: Brownish yellow to rusty orange, medium spaced, attached

Stem: brownish orange, fibrous and hollow, 3mm-3cm wide, 2.5-7cm tall, annulus present.

Cap: dark red/brown scab color to light brownish-orange, usual gym surface (sorta velvety,) 4-10cm across when mature so far in this in this colony.

Spore print color: rust orange.

Bruising: obvious and numerous patches of blue bruising on cap and on stem near cap; developed after handling.

Location: Clark County, SW WA.


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InvisibleMidnightCity
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Re: MycoKey said I had a Gymnopilus junonius, but I don't believe it. [Re: happyfunguy]
    #18941754 - 10/06/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"Identifying the species of Gymnopilus, in North America anyway, cannot yet be done with scientific accuracy. Researchers (Guzmán-Dávalos et al., 2003) have discovered that the features traditionally used to sort out Gymnopilus species--spore dimensions, the absence or presence of a partial veil (and its persistence, if present)--do not successfully identify genetically distinct species within the genus.

So, if your goal is not scientific accuracy but stubborn determination to put a Latin name on your mushroom collection, get out your microscope and see the traditional Gymnopilus treatments by Hesler and by Guzmán-Dávalos listed below. (However, Guzmán-Dávalos is the primary author of the paper that suggests these treatments, including her own extensive keys, are not necessarily accurate--so I have to ask you: if she is bravely willing to face scientific reality, why aren't you?)

The best we can do at the moment is to await further research and, in the meantime, refer to the major species groups that have been defined by previous treatments--keeping in mind the strong possibility that we will need to revise our ideas about how to separate the mushrooms."

http://www.mushroomexpert.com/gymnopilus.html


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Invisiblehappyfunguy
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Re: MycoKey said I had a Gymnopilus junonius, but I don't believe it. [Re: MidnightCity]
    #18941861 - 10/06/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well now... that's not exactly what I was hoping for, but I do believe that I've read that in the past. I guess that ambiguity and divesrity  why I love the genus as much as I do. (That, and the whole psychedelic thing.)


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Re: MycoKey said I had a Gymnopilus junonius, but I don't believe it. [Re: happyfunguy]
    #18942156 - 10/06/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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happyfunguy said:
I guess that ambiguity and divesrity  why I love the genus as much as I do. (That, and the whole psychedelic thing.)




Well said.:thumbup:

It also makes it very difficult to comment on without photos.


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