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Cactilove
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
#18938595 - 10/06/13 12:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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As I said, it is only evidence, not proof.
You don't know if it's evidence for chi mate.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
#18938596 - 10/06/13 12:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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So am I. I know that the practices that lead to qi development led me to this phenomena and it feels like bliss. I know that it has been described as chi and therefore chi Is as of a good name for it as anything else.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
#18938599 - 10/06/13 12:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't find it to be at all extraordinary
No shit. A video of the hairs raising on your arm is a total snooze-fest.
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Evidence of chi .

Lots of people know about it.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
#18938603 - 10/06/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cactilove said:
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As I said, it is only evidence, not proof.
You don't know if it's evidence for chi mate.
You can call it whatever you want, but it doesn't change the practices that lead to it or the descriptions of it, you would just be calling it something else.
You don't like the name chi for some reason?
Why because people run it into the ground with their mysticism?
It could be on purpose to keep the true phenomena away from the closed minded.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
#18938605 - 10/06/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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 Orgone is not amused.
I think it's neat.
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You don't like the name chi for some reason?
Nope, cause apparently I haven't a clue what the fuck that is. Nor does anyone else I have ever talked too. Or at least they haven't been able to explain it well.
I suppose you can call it whatever you want mate. I would call it psychological conditioning, not Chi.
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Edited by Cactilove (10/06/13 12:52 AM)
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
#18938607 - 10/06/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just because chi is true, it doesn't mean that everything that everybody claims about it is, that's your own problem and fallacy.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
#18938609 - 10/06/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cactilove said:
 Orgone is not amused.
I think it's neat.
I suppose you can call it whatever you want mate. I would call it psychological conditioning, not Chi.
Nah, it feels like energy, which is why it is called qi. It's actually requires the absence of mind and thought to manifest it.
Instead of worrying about defining it, I would rather focus on how to measure it. What you want to call it or how you want to describe it is beside the point, because It is obviously there.
Once we measure it we can describe it better, otherwise we are trying to define something supernatural.
I have one way to measure qi, which is through piloerection, but I think there is probably a better way yet to be found, which would be akin to measuring wavelengths. But we first need a way to detect the actual energy, rather than the effects of it.
Edited by teknix (10/06/13 12:58 AM)
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
#18938615 - 10/06/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nah, it feels like energy, which is why it is called qi. It's actually requires the absence of mind and thought to manifest it.
Then I think it's not Chi, not the willful control of energy or what not, but psychological conditioning. Seems to me to be a more rational explanation.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
#18938617 - 10/06/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If anything it comes from psychological de-conditioning. But the deconditioning that leads to the phenomena is not the phenomena. The phenomena has already been described as chi a long time ago, no reason to change it.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
#18938626 - 10/06/13 01:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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We could say it is qualia, but that is too broad of term.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
#18938630 - 10/06/13 01:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Then we disagree here. You say that the phenomena of controlling this phenomena (chi) is kind of sort of caused by psychological de-conditioning.
I would say you have more likely psychologically conditioned yourself to trigger goosebumps. That chi (energy that can be willfully manipulated around the body to cause these sort of reactions) has nothing to do with it.
The video could be evidence for either conclusion.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
#18938634 - 10/06/13 01:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The conditioning or deconditioning is not the phenomena, its what leads to the phenomena.
Just as the goosebumps are not the phenomena, but evidence of the phenomena in passing.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
#18938661 - 10/06/13 01:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The conditioning or deconditioning is not the phenomena, its what leads to the phenomena.
Just as the goosebumps are not the phenomena, but evidence of the phenomena in passing.
That's pretty much what I said or meant to say.
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You say that the phenomena of controlling this phenomena (chi) is kind of sort of caused by psychological de-conditioning.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
#18939336 - 10/06/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have a confession.
I told you I had extreme interest in chi. But I think I may only have interest in my own.
You linked me a few videos.... and I clicked on one... it was the guy who could sit in ice and maintain body temp. I had already seen it. I seem to have a similar power... I did see that he climbed mount everest in only shorts.... and that blew my mind... it doesnt seem possible. But he did it. Rock on.
But after that.... I stopped looking at your videos... or caring about this thread.
I cannot create goosebumps on my body. I have never seen them. But earlier... I felt cold. I went outside... and shivered. Insanely shivered as I walked the dog. Its so-so cold... but nothing for me. Its like I lost my chi. My fakeness that made it real in my mind.
I cant believe i lost interest in this thread....
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix] 1
#18939406 - 10/06/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I"m a chi master too. I can lift my left leg at will and it goes up all by itself with no visible means of support. I can teach you, but I have to charge.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Diploid]
#18940194 - 10/06/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
#18940564 - 10/06/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Objectively speaking, the original post (and the video follow-ups) are evidence that some unidentified person has hair on his arms, and seems to have the ability to produce goose-bumps.
I, speaking only for myself, am completely convinced that any claim the OP makes to having arms with hair, should be taken seriously.
That said, the only other evidence produced by the OP is that he has the ability to post videos on this forum.
I suspect that the OP would benefit from a visit to a dictionary and refresh his understanding of the word "evidence."
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
#18940727 - 10/06/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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teknix said: The conditioning or deconditioning is not the phenomena, its what leads to the phenomena.
Just as the goosebumps are not the phenomena, but evidence of the phenomena in passing.
How are goosebumps a "phenomena", or evidence of one?
And why do some adults like to believe in magic?
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: clam_dude]
#18940860 - 10/06/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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How are goosebumps a "phenomena", or evidence of one?
pheΒ·nomΒ·eΒ·non fΙΛnΓ€mΙΛnΓ€n,-nΙn/ noun 1. a fact or situation that is observed to exist or happen,(goosbumps) esp. one whose cause or explanation is in question.( cause of goose bumps)
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And why do some adults like to believe in magic?
You never got a taste of it did you? I'm telling you right now it's a wonderful world mate. By the way he didn't say it was magic, you did.
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Edited by Cactilove (10/06/13 03:37 PM)
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