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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: PussyFart]
    #18936347 - 10/05/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Then why does the substrate shrink?  I was agreeing with you when I said true and then made it more clear about what I was saying... I've been in the hobby for a couple years. If you substrate doesn't shrink because it loses mostiure then I feel like a fool. Lol


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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: Sporeo]
    #18936353 - 10/05/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't use liners. Personal choice. Works better for me. I don't mind side pins.

This is a log for your enjoyment, I'm not asking for help. I've got my process down and like the way i do it,differs t strokes for differs t folks


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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: Blake_Shroom]
    #18936383 - 10/05/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Okay. Just trying to help. Nice log!


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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: Sporeo]
    #18936397 - 10/05/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Then why does the substrate shrink?  I was agreeing with you when I said true and then made it more clear about what I was saying... I've been in the hobby for a couple years. If you substrate doesn't shrink because it loses mostiure then I feel like a fool. Lol



I mean sure, loss of moisture helps a little, but consolidation is the mycellium digesting the available substrate...

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The first thing is full colonization, plus a week or more for the mycelium to 'consolidate' its hold on the substrate, thereby digesting some of the food it has colonized.
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13356414#13356414

This is why the substrate shrinks....

If it was just from moisture loss, then when we rehydrate it it would expand somewhat to its original size.

At least thats my logic....I could be wrong.


Edited by PussyFart (10/05/13 02:44 PM)


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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: Sporeo]
    #18936419 - 10/05/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Okay. Just trying to help. Nice log!



Sorry didn't mean to sound like a dick. I just always get shit from letting my tubs over mature.

For me, liners take a bit longer to use. With rgs it sucks because the grains are so small the get behind the liner. Plus my yield is better without a liner


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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: PussyFart]
    #18939799 - 10/06/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Sporeo said:
Then why does the substrate shrink?  I was agreeing with you when I said true and then made it more clear about what I was saying... I've been in the hobby for a couple years. If you substrate doesn't shrink because it loses mostiure then I feel like a fool. Lol



I mean sure, loss of moisture helps a little, but consolidation is the mycellium digesting the available substrate...

Quote:

RogerRabbit said:
The first thing is full colonization, plus a week or more for the mycelium to 'consolidate' its hold on the substrate, thereby digesting some of the food it has colonized.
RR



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13356414#13356414

This is why the substrate shrinks....

If it was just from moisture loss, then when we rehydrate it it would expand somewhat to its original size.

At least thats my logic....I could be wrong.




In my case I dont consolidate. I wait 10-14 days and fruit when I see pins. I see pins 3 days after full colonization. Get 2 flushes and toss. When my tubs fruit the sub still touches the walls. After a few days it pulls away for the sides. Do tubs consolidate after fresh air and fruiting conditions are introduced? Just wondering lol

OP, how do you not benefit from a liner in your tub? That's the first time I've ever heard that. Lol


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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: Sporeo]
    #18939840 - 10/06/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

"Consolidation" is a misleading word here, IMO.

The substrate shrinks as the mycelium digests it. This process begins once the mycelium starts growing. It has nothing to do with how long you keep it under colonizing conditions.

However, moisture loss from evaporation and fruit production will speed this shrinking along.

Also, fruit bulk at 100%.

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  • Consolidation is for highly nutritious substrates such as BRF + verm. The mycelium needs time to digest the substrate before fruiting.

  • Bulk substrate is less nutritious than PF cakes and can be fruited at 100%. As fresh air is the number one pinning trigger, it is important to give it what it needs as soon as possible for best results.

  • My two cents on the practical application of consolidating bulk is this:

    When I'm fruiting my tubs, I try to avoid aborts whenever possible. I hate the little fuckers, taking up space on my substrate and failing to mature into the beautiful mushroom I know they could be.

    Back when I first started working with tubs a lot, I did consolidate everything. The pinsets could end up being quite massive!

    But come harvest time, I would find a shitload of my pretty pinset aborted. That sucks.

    When colonizing your tub, the RH is near 100%.

    Your mycelium needs this (and high CO2 levels) to grow rapidly while it consumes the available substrate. After 100% colonization, the mycelium realizes it has no more food available to it and starts trying to pin. This process of going from "ready" to "pinning" takes a few days to a week depending on what you are working with.

    Here is my theory:

    By keeping the colonizing conditions (100% RH and high CO2) when your tub is starting to knot up, you are essentially "tricking" the mycelium into thinking that 100% RH and high CO2 levels are what it has to work with.

    When you change this abruptly (at the sight of pins, for example) you are going to be making the conditions less ideal for the pinset that has been produced. That leads to a larger number of aborts.

    You can certainly get a larger pinset when you consolidate your tubs. I don't have any doubt. 

    But I've said it before, a larger pinset is not necessarily a better pinset.

    For these reasons, I choose to give it fresh air as soon as it is 100% colonized. By doing this I introduce my mycelium to its fruiting conditions as soon as possible. so that it can be "accustomed" to them and fruit as well as it can with what it has got. I hope this makes sense :thumbup:





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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18939871 - 10/06/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I never wait for fruiting. Always fruit at 100%  I have definitely noticed a difference.

My sub shrinks significantly during colonization. Like at least  a qrt inch between tub walls and sub or more...


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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: Blake_Shroom]
    #18940308 - 10/06/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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That one produced 8.2 oz dried first flush :laugh:



Harvested this one. Looks like its going to be more. There was some serious clusters going on




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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: Blake_Shroom]
    #18940314 - 10/06/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Looks good Blake


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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: Stromrider]
    #18940641 - 10/06/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Those are beautiful mushroom forests, they pin in such dense clusters! Makes me look forward to when I get to start casings, congrats man. :shroomeryhead:


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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: OneiricOutsider]
    #18940779 - 10/06/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Damn, if only trading isolates wasn't illegal.  People would be growing so many shrooms all over the place.


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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18940822 - 10/06/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Very sexy harvest pics, blake! Good job :congrats:

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Damn, if only trading isolates wasn't illegal.  People would be growing so many shrooms all over the place.




I wish I could sell or trade wedges from my library. It is a shame.


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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18940842 - 10/06/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I would love if you could trade or sell wedges too :lol:.

Sorry to jack your thread OP.  Good shit.


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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: Blake_Shroom]
    #18942591 - 10/06/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



Just finished drying. That one dried to 8.75 oz


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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: Blake_Shroom]
    #18942862 - 10/06/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:wooyeah:

looks like things are going along just fine at shroomery. nice work. congrats. love the quality and number of pics in this thread.


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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: silos]
    #18944106 - 10/07/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)





I'll pick the bucket today. The other tub tomorrow, and the third i'll pick in probably 3 days


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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: Blake_Shroom]
    #18944329 - 10/07/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Fuckin' inspired.

You're a champ.

Got my first clean LC going on right now

JARS JARS JARS JARS JARS

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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: shadowman-x]
    #18948657 - 10/08/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)



Well, I meant to harvest this one last night, but I got really drunk watching the game so I woke up early today and harvested it. There's a lot of big ones, which is different from my usual tubs that have a ton of small fruits. While I think this can harm my average yield, these guys seemed dense as fuck. I'm pretty excited to see what they weigh when they dry



This tub seems to be sterile. There's also a lot of odd looking fruits. Hopefully tomorrow i'll have a big full canopy and i'll harvest in the morning.



Here's my bucket. 1 qrt of spawn to like 3-4 qrts cvg. Yielded just over 2 oz dried! cant believe it. It's by far the best efficiency i've had with respect to qrts of spawn to yield.


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Re: 20 Tub Isolate grow [Re: Blake_Shroom]
    #18950702 - 10/08/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Harvest from the tub at the top of my last pic: 7.5 oz


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