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Online blackmarket already has a new home 6
#18940427 - 10/06/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://null-byte.wonderhowto.com/how-to/with-silk-road-bust-online-black-market-already-has-new-home-0148878/
This week, Silk Road was shut down for good when the FBI seized the anonymous online marketplace after Ross Ulbricht, aka Dread Pirate Roberts, was arrested. This comes just two weeks after another illegal marketplace called Atlantis shutdown.

However, there are plenty of other black markets hiding within the Deep Web, freely and anonymously accessible using the Tor browser.
Ulbricht's bust is said to come from operational security mistakes, where he used his real name in an email address when communicating with developers about Bitcoin, the main currency used for buying drugs, weapons, and forged documents on Silk Road and other black markets.
This means that the seizure and shutdown was not a result of a security breach in Tor, but to plain sloppiness on Ulbricht's part, which is why Silk Road sellers have already found new homes in lesser known marketplaces across the Tor network.
So, if anyone is looking to buy some cannabis, 3D printed gun files, or Walter White-style blue crystal meth, these online black markets are their best bet.
Just remember, these are all accessible using the Tor browser, which cannot help anonymize anybody if they use legal names, use VPNs subject to subpoena, or provided personal info to other services. Nor should they install plugins or open downloaded documents when still connected online, among other things. Black Market Reloaded (BMR)
First up is the Black Market Reloaded, the second biggest black market online with monthly sales of over $700,000 recorded. In addition to selling illicit drugs, counterfeits, shady services, and stolen goods, BMR also sells weapons, something Silk Road used to do before removing the option. Yesterday, BMR was not accepting new members, but they have opened up the floodgates today.

https://5onwnspjvuk7cwvk.onion/ (what is an .onion link?)
Sheep Marketplace
Another option is the smaller Sheep Marketplace, which also sells everything BMR pretty much does. You know, your standard black market merchandise.

https://sheep5u64fi457aw.onion/ (what is an .onion link?)
DeepBay
The smallest option out there right now is probably DeepBay, which opened sometime earlier this year. The offerings are pretty slim, but it's said to have garnered 3,000 new members since the shutdown of Silk Road, so listings are sure to rise.

http://deepbay4xr3sw2va.onion/ (what is an .onion link?)
Other Online Black Markets
Those are just the biggest three options, but there are plenty more black market shops on the Deep Web, mostly for illegal drugs, as you can tell from below.
EuCanna - Medical-grade cannabis, other marijuana-related items.
http://rso4hutlefirefqp.onion/
NLGrowers - Coffee shop grade cannabis (from Netherlands).
http://25ffhnaechrbzwf3.onion/
DeDope - Weed and hash (from Germany).
http://kbvbh4kdddiha2ht.onion/
Brainmagic - Psychedelics (LSD, DMT, etc.)
http://ll6lardicrvrljvq.onion/
Peoples Drug Store - Heroin, cocaine, ecstasy, speed, cannabis, etc.
http://newpdsuslmzqazvr.onion/
BitPharma - Cocaine, speed, MDMA, psychedelics, prescriptions.
http://s5q54hfww56ov2xc.onion/
And that is just the beginning. There are many more online shops in the Deep Web, and many more to come. With all the recent busts, you'd expect patrons—and especially sellers—to be wary of joining new marketplaces, but business appears to be booming.
Just remember to stay anonymous. For help on that, check out our previous Null Byte guides on Anonymity, Darknets, and Staying Out of Federal Custody and How to Become Anonymous on the Internet Using Tor.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18940433 - 10/06/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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for the record i asked a mod before posting this article, so please discuss with other mods if you feel the need to give me warning/ban.
this is a legit news story, so it seems to be appropriate.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18940485 - 10/06/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SurReality said: for the record i asked a mod before posting this article, so please discuss with other mods if you feel the need to give me warning/ban.
this is a legit news story, so it seems to be appropriate.
Lol I was about to post about this but it seems you took all the necessary precautions 
I wonder how long it takes for the FEDS to go attack BMR!
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18940513 - 10/06/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sur, I've said it before and I'll say it again, you are the friggin' man! . I'm cereal, didn't even know about DB before now.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
#18940635 - 10/06/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know how great of an idea it is to post these links up here on a public forum...
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
#18940645 - 10/06/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So....safe? And chances of this being broke down?
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: King Klick]
#18940651 - 10/06/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok so take this down now right...
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18940673 - 10/06/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nevermind, no need to do that, article link contains the links.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: King Klick]
#18940722 - 10/06/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Deep Web forever
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: King Klick]
#18940725 - 10/06/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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These markets are really starting to spread like wildfire. Do you thinks the FEDs are really going to work to shut each and every one of them down or do you think they're likely to give up after a certain amount of time?
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: gulper2323]
#18940728 - 10/06/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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gulper2323 said: These markets are really starting to spread like wildfire. Do you thinks the FEDs are really going to work to shut each and every one of them down or do you think they're likely to quit after a certain time?
I think the only thing they could do is up the postal service scanning. Good thing there's private shipping companies.
Otherwise I'm gonna declare this the winning of the drug war on the side of the drugs.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Blindtheeye] 2
#18940737 - 10/06/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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aperson444 said: I don't know how great of an idea it is to post these links up here on a public forum...
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Blindtheeye said: Ok so take this down now right...

Please, like the feds don't already know about all of these sites.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Fungi]
#18940742 - 10/06/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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yea everything i put up in OP is straight from the article link. not really any point in taking it down, i'm sure the website its on gets more traffic than the shroomery.
yea i'm surprised the USPS was going bankrupt. because online drugs are causing several economies to thrive, i don't see why the USPS wouldn't see an increase in revenue.
most companies that ship don't use USPS, and sites like ebay and illegal markets online have to make up a huge part of the USPS revenue...
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: King Klick]
#18940745 - 10/06/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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King Klick said:
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gulper2323 said: These markets are really starting to spread like wildfire. Do you thinks the FEDs are really going to work to shut each and every one of them down or do you think they're likely to quit after a certain time?
I think the only thing they could do is up the postal service scanning. Good thing there's private shipping companies.
Otherwise I'm gonna declare this the winning of the drug war on the side of the drugs. 
Uh no. Never, ever use private shipping companies. If your source is compromised it won't matter.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18940752 - 10/06/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said:
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King Klick said:
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gulper2323 said: These markets are really starting to spread like wildfire. Do you thinks the FEDs are really going to work to shut each and every one of them down or do you think they're likely to quit after a certain time?
I think the only thing they could do is up the postal service scanning. Good thing there's private shipping companies.
Otherwise I'm gonna declare this the winning of the drug war on the side of the drugs. 
Uh no. Never, ever use private shipping companies. If your source is compromised it won't matter.
I'm saying if the feds were to increase usps security then I guarantee some druggies would open their own postal service.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: King Klick]
#18940767 - 10/06/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok but once public awareness increases so does the priority level to the feds. They aren't in the business of looking like failures.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: King Klick] 1
#18940771 - 10/06/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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TAKE THIS DOWN YOU FUCK!
why would you put all these sources in hot water
my god,
and you usually are a good poster! you should know better
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SnowDaze] 1
#18940809 - 10/06/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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its a news article. i just copied the article as it reads in the link.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18940820 - 10/06/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Spreading unwanted heat.. gee thanks
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Blindtheeye] 9
#18940851 - 10/06/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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if the sites are operated with competence, the feds are not going to have any easier of a time finding them whether they use more or less resources.
silk road proved this, feds were trying to seize the site for years. the only reason they finally did was because DPR made an operating error.
these sites really need publicity, it helps the sites operators, sellers and buyers on the sites. it also helps the overall bitcoin economy.
the only thing the helps the feds take control on them are operational errors of the owners. DPR has been made an example of and its time for site operators to step up or get shut down.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Blindtheeye]
#18940868 - 10/06/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Blindtheeye said: Spreading unwanted heat.. gee thanks
At first I felt the same way, but then I pondered for a moment. The more sites we have, the more popular they get, the harder it will be for the feds to shut it all down. If it gets big enough, there won't be any stopping it - at least, so long as the encryption holds.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Synthe]
#18940923 - 10/06/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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NTY never have and never will be apart of this...
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Invisible_Woe]
#18940957 - 10/06/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Invisible_Woe said: NTY never have and never will be apart of this...
same, although extremely interesting to know about and understand.
i believe it really is a good thing for the black market. it really does keep violent crime down a lot in relation to the drug blackmarket.
although i can't believe people are selling things like c4, if i wanted c4 i can't imagine having it shipped to my fucking house lol.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Invisible_Woe] 1
#18940969 - 10/06/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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To all of the people bitching and crying about this article, it an an ARTICLE. It was written by someone else and posted on a public site so it is out there already. What is posting it here gonna do? The feds already know there is a bunch of druggies on this site anyway, and you can bet they know about those sites already . . .
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18941052 - 10/06/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SurReality said:
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Invisible_Woe said: NTY never have and never will be apart of this...
same, although extremely interesting to know about and understand.
i believe it really is a good thing for the black market. it really does keep violent crime down a lot in relation to the drug blackmarket.
although i can't believe people are selling things like c4, if i wanted c4 i can't imagine having it shipped to my fucking house lol.
C4? I seriously doubt they sell explosives on there. It's either a) a scam by the seller or b) exaggeration by the journalist.
Also, I don't think C4 is widely used in the military anymore anyway. They do have other, better explosives. Therefore, it's probably not widely manufactured anymore.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18941057 - 10/06/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Silk Road and other darkweb sites stayed on the downlow for a while because the media didn't really have a clue about. Once they found out and started doing articles about SR it increased both their profile, Tor's, and other marketplaces as well.
At this point most markets are general knowledge. This was a news article on a news site which means that it is 100% searchable on google.
Search "silk road replacement" on google and you get 1.3 million hits.
If the users of SR are able to find out about new sites and migrate then you can be sure the feds watching those sites migrated as well.
SurReality isn't doing anything wrong by posting this. I don' think anyone that is looking for a SR replacement is dumb enough to need this post to find it.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Smushroom]
#18941096 - 10/06/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So the next target for the powers that be is tor itself.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Blindtheeye]
#18941140 - 10/06/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's like closing down Facebook because some people use it for illegal activities. Won't happen or very unlikely
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18941147 - 10/06/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LiquidGlass said: To all of the people bitching and crying about this article, it an an ARTICLE. It was written by someone else and posted on a public site so it is out there already. What is posting it here gonna do? The feds already know there is a bunch of druggies on this site anyway, and you can bet they know about those sites already . . .
The fact that it is/was a public site is the problem....
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18941290 - 10/06/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the links.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18941298 - 10/06/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Great links. I archived the wonderhowto page to my computer.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SnowDaze] 1
#18941415 - 10/06/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SnowDaze said: TAKE THIS DOWN YOU FUCK!
why would you put all these sources in hot water
my god,
and you usually are a good poster! you should know better
Shut. The. Fuck. Up. They aren't meant to be private. This shit isn't invitation only. These sites are meant to be able to find for fuck sake.
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So I just did a test run on those websites there. Anyone else try this yet? It seems all the ones without a picture posted are SKETCHY AF!! Like they all have literally like 5 products and this percentage system where you get money for referrals and their site mapping is all the same. I don't trust it personally. I wasn't able to load BMR or Sheep but even DeepBay didn't even ship to US. I just for curiosity has anyone ever come across the Renaissance onion link? I don't want it posted or shared, just want to know if it's out there?
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Atrium]
#18942402 - 10/06/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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idk what renaissance is.
the only one that didn't work for me was the sheep one. pretty sure, only tried a couple of the links that didn't have pictures though and they didn't seem that great to me either.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18942459 - 10/06/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just like Whack-A-Mole.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Terratic]
#18942779 - 10/06/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Chill, tor is good privacy, it's not like we are posting a dealer's address lol
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Fungi] 2
#18943065 - 10/07/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SR did a really good job of actually keeping themselves and their customers safe. Just because another site is on Tor and actually comes through on orders doesn't mean it is anywhere near as safe as SR.
SR used a tumbler to hide all BTC transaction so they couldn't be traced when going into or out of SR's escrow wallets. I don't know if the other sites do. Since every BTC transaction is public (just not who is paying who) its pretty important to hide the transactions. This avoids the feds from easily identifying a specific wallet belonging to an underground site and then using that to trace the transactions back to the people physically funding them.
SR actually used legitimate escrow for orders. This helped to avoid scammers from ripping people off. I'm not sure about other sites, not just if they use escrow but if they can be trusted to pay it out and hide it efficiently. The bad part of escrow is that someone can make a site, use escrow, get order volume up, and then cut and run taking everyone's money.
You have to use as much discretion, if not more, when dealing online as if you were buying shit on the street. Just because it is behind Tor doesn't mean it is automatically safe.
SR did $1.2 billion in sales over 2-ish years. BMR has did $700k in sales. There are going to be some major growing pains every marketplace and I'm sure there will be some fuck ups that will result in people getting ripped off and people getting busted, it is the nature of the industry. Just be careful.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Fungi]
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thanks Sur
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18943080 - 10/07/13 01:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SurReality said: idk what renaissance is.
the only one that didn't work for me was the sheep one. pretty sure, only tried a couple of the links that didn't have pictures though and they didn't seem that great to me either.
I looked back like 10 pages or so and still couldn't find the article, which is weird. I read it here, I know so. Anyways it was announced before Atlantis went down and these guys, led by an ominous named leader LEO was talking about the Renaissance underground site that is tight lipped and only has a few hundred customers. Something like they don't want the name to go out and are invite only so I just wanted to know if anyone from here has used it or heard of it at least?
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Atrium]
#18943092 - 10/07/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sites with very few users mean very little competition and probably very high prices or poor quality. This translates to very little in commission for the owners unless they are selling themselves.
The physical shipping/receiving is the weak link in online sales. Shipping data, post office cameras, fingerprints, etc can be traced back to the dealer. If the dealer is the one running a website as well this could get it busted pretty quickly.
I'm not saying this is true of what you mentioned but economically small sites are more likely to have issues.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18943130 - 10/07/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SurReality said: these sites really need publicity, it helps the sites operators, sellers and buyers on the sites. it also helps the overall bitcoin economy.
This. 65 bucks for 5 hits of acid - my ass. 
It's about time for them to compete against street drug dealers. Obviously there's not too much risk, if you know how to do it, so I have no idea why one should pay 65 fucking bucks for 5 hits of acid.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Smushroom]
#18943158 - 10/07/13 01:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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well a small site would be easier to hide. if it focused on bulk orders only it would work very much like the physical black market. you never share your sources, not only legal security but for job security of cutting out competition.
if you have a cap on members, maybe per country. you might be able to set up a global kingpin connection without ever knowing the players in real life. that is one reason i can see in intentionally keeping low key...
also if you are going to sell online you need to really think about what you're doing. you should always ship as if the receiver is a forensic investigator, always use glove to prevent finger prints. tie your hair back or, better yet, shave any hair that might fall out. use a wet sponge to stick glue, never saliva. don't ever keep contraband or packaging materials in your living area to avoid getting your dna on any part of the packages...
don't even rent a place, stay on the move so that local authorities can't even try tracking you drop off parcels.
shit if you are growing shrooms or something else that really doesn't require a supply connection due to the self-sustainable nature of the product, you should never need to travel long distances with contraband...
lol i should right a fictional story, that's probably the safest way for me to live out a dream like that and make good money without having to worry about being busted...
@lord_mc<3n
if you consider shipping expenses of discretion, and hassle of covering ones tracks. paying a higher price is understandable. plus, unlike a street dealer, an online dealer has a nationwide if not global target market. so there is actually less competition online when considering the amount of people the product can reach verses a local peddler.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: gulper2323]
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gulper2323 said: These markets are really starting to spread like wildfire. Do you thinks the FEDs are really going to work to shut each and every one of them down or do you think they're likely to give up after a certain amount of time?
Be careful. They have been exploiting firefox vulnerabilities since they cant yet "break tor." This is because firefox is the most common browser for accessing tor. My suggestion to anyone interested would be to stick to open source software for not just tor, but all needs. It is imo more than rumored certified not opensource encryption to be backdoored. The govt has a gag order and backdoors partnered thru google facebook etc... at&t is a huge one. I have news story references if needed. They also have spoofed their server to act as the actual google ip address in order to watch searches and have them relayed on a huge scale. From other legitimate news stories I have heard how they have passed info on to the dea. Not that any of you have nething to worry about. Im just for freedom n right to personal space.
My point is, tread lightly for a while imho til further info comes out. If they already spoof as google you should believe that they may have their own .onion market. Beware of new ones imo. I luckily ave never used tor however have a long history of security consulting/computer exp and know they very well could spoof in their position. Imo.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18943314 - 10/07/13 03:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SurReality said: yea everything i put up in OP is straight from the article link. not really any point in taking it down, i'm sure the website its on gets more traffic than the shroomery.
yea i'm surprised the USPS was going bankrupt. because online drugs are causing several economies to thrive, i don't see why the USPS wouldn't see an increase in revenue.
most companies that ship don't use USPS, and sites like ebay and illegal markets online have to make up a huge part of the USPS revenue...
exactluy what I was always saying the blackmarket has got to be whats holding up USPS
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18943460 - 10/07/13 05:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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USPS doesn't take in enough money because postage costs are set by law, not by USPS. If they could raise the cost of postage, they'd have more than enough to stay in business and even make money. But that would mean paying UPS rates for USPS.
They also aren't allowed to cut their hours by law, even though killing Saturday delivery would put them in the green. And fucking no one but USPS delivers on Saturday to begin with.
It's really ironic, no one will let them raise postage costs or cut hours, and everyone gets outraged when you suggest it, but then everyone is shocked that they're going under. Classic politics.
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Re: Online black market already has a new home [Re: volcomstoner]
#18943470 - 10/07/13 05:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wouldn't order a fucking thing from any Tor website.
I knew of SR before SR was even created, Dread use to come into shroomery's chat and it actually began on a regular www before the release of Tor and the expansion to SR. It was run under another name.
All those sites posted by the op will get you arrested for sure, apparently NASA cracked Tor's encryption for every major law enforcement agency in the world to combat the amount of child porn and other illicit stuff on that network.
You kids and your computers. Do you not think the "World" government spends hundreds of millions of dollars on nothing?
Now is not the time. As said, those sites and vendors are probably Interpol agents. Thank you for the article though op.
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Re: Online black market already has a new home [Re: HybridprX]
#18943543 - 10/07/13 06:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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HybridprX said: As said, those sites and vendors are probably Interpol agents. .
A little paranoid aren't we?
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Re: Online black market already has a new home [Re: my3rdeye]
#18943645 - 10/07/13 07:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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A little?
The Sunday before last I received a knock at my door. Thought it was my buddy, nope.... Two special investigation dectectives....
Claimed I was a suspect in a case before saying it was a cell phone theft.... The regular police show up for that kind of stuff, this I know. These folks were suit and tie buisness.... They're probably investigating user profiles and posts on shroomery.
SR was a big deal when every global law enforcement agency and NASA were working hand in hand to combat Tor, with shroomery being brought into the indictment a lot of us are probably under a watchful eye for the time being. The trial/investigation is probably still on-going.
My paranoia is for any commerical market on tor, I'm sure their are sites for trusted individuals only. Anyways, yea, dectectives showing up and the timing of all this is not weighing well on my mind.
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HybridprX said: A little?
The Sunday before last I received a knock at my door. Thought it was my buddy, nope.... Two special investigation dectectives....
Claimed I was a suspect in a case before saying it was a cell phone theft.... The regular police show up for that kind of stuff, this I know. These folks were suit and tie buisness.... They're probably investigating user profiles and posts on shroomery.
SR was a big deal when every global law enforcement agency and NASA were working hand in hand to combat Tor, with shroomery being brought into the indictment a lot of us are probably under a watchful eye for the time being. The trial/investigation is probably still on-going.
My paranoia is for any commerical market on tor, I'm sure their are sites for trusted individuals only. Anyways, yea, dectectives showing up and the timing of all this is not weighing well on my mind.
wow...
How is this thread not source discussion
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Blindtheeye]
#18943933 - 10/07/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its a news article whether hevtakes it down or npt these links are still going to be up and I'm sure they are well know to law enforcement by now
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: allseeingike]
#18944119 - 10/07/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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idk why people enjoy complaining about prices of acid on those sites.
it's like.... go ahead and find legit acid IRL if you have a problem with it 
and have it consistently available at a few days' notice.
for many people without connects IRL like those in the professional community who don't hang out with dirty hippies some drugs are hard to find
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18944128 - 10/07/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Haha this is beyond comical. They go after one high profile big fish, then the media gives the masses links to a handful of alternatives.
This kind of thing, from the perspective of law enforcement or the 'law-abiding morally conscious' masses seems to almost justify increased government intervention on the internet (not to mention increasing the already huge budgets for these federal behemoths ).
Won't somebody please think of the children? .
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Cepheus]
#18944142 - 10/07/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cepheus said: Haha this is beyond comical. They go after one high profile big fish, then the media gives the masses links to a handful of alternatives.
wonderhowto.com is not the media.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: s240779] 1
#18944172 - 10/07/13 10:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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wonderhowto has a lot of interesting articles. it might not be mainstream media, but it is certainly media.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18944211 - 10/07/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can't believe the mods didn't ban you and delete this article. They have been pissing and moaning about source discussion all week, and I've pointed out already that most every major news article is doing a piece on SR alternatives. My theory on why they are doing it so blatently is because the value of BTC will go to shit if the demand goes to shit which will happen unless something replaces SR and does so fast. Whether or not this is news, its still source discussion and is totally against the rules. Its kind of common knowledge though, so I can understand why they finally gave in.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: fapjack]
#18944238 - 10/07/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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for the third time, i asked the mods before posting. its a public article i'm posting. i am not giving sources i am only sharing a news article that is up to date.
i have been notified that this article may or may not create a change to the rules in the news forum. which in my opinion would be a shame because it would be censoring public information.
if you prefer news to be censored there are countries you can go to that will protect your needs.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18944251 - 10/07/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I read what you posted, I've also read probably like 10 of these different articles from various news outlets as I found them comical. I didn't bother PMing any mods about posting them because I thought they would have said no. I don't agree or disagree with them allowing it, I'm just surprised that they did allow it. I personally don't give a shit 1 way or another as its old news. BMR has been around for over a year and Sheep marketplace to me looks like a honeypot. Its either going to be gone in a few months or a bunch of people are going to end up getting popped from it, though I hope I'm wrong.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: fapjack]
#18944313 - 10/07/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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it was news to me i am not in the online black market tho so i wasn't looking for it. its basically like checking out the market on cars and houses, just something to keep an eye to see where the market stands. also as many know i'm a bitcoin trader so i always am interested in news related to the bitcoin econ...
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18944412 - 10/07/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well more people knowing about those sites is good for you as well, otherwise why the hell would the average joe by bitcoins? It isn't exactly more convenient than using plastic, and its a pain in the ass to liquidate, and its value fluctuates constantly. It is a good investment, but its a much better investment when BTCs can buy things money can't.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: fapjack]
#18944429 - 10/07/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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there is certainly a conflict of interest that Sur seems to be avoiding mentioning 
but hell I would do the same thing if I were him
and there are many legitimate uses for BTC, like paying ransoms, buying stuff from anyone online that could be considered "suspicious" but is not technically illegal.
for example, a chemistry set.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight] 2
#18944458 - 10/07/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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something in these posts made me think about this scene from Wargames..
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
#18945037 - 10/07/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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NWlight said: there is certainly a conflict of interest that Sur seems to be avoiding mentioning 
i'm not sure what you mean by that, feel free to call me out on anything.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
#18945371 - 10/07/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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NWlight said: idk why people enjoy complaining about prices of acid on those sites.
it's like.... go ahead and find legit acid IRL if you have a problem with it 
and have it consistently available at a few days' notice.
for many people without connects IRL like those in the professional community who don't hang out with dirty hippies some drugs are hard to find
You angry bro? Just because you do not have a hook up does not mean that the L online isnt way over priced. It is. And not all people with L are "dirty hippies"
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18945375 - 10/07/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The issue of source discussion shouldnt be at play here. I have read tons of articles regarding SR that also mention alternatives such as BMR. This one has specific addresses but it doesnt really matter because anybody can find out the addresses.
Also HybridprX, you are spreading serious misinformation. You claim that Tor has been compromised but this is simply false, and if you have any evidence you should offer it up. You don't though because according to documents released through Snowden, even the NSA has only had very very limited success.
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They're probably investigating user profiles and posts on shroomery.
^^^ Another unfounded claim that is most likely not true. Your speculation about how police operate in your area is just that, speculation. Stop spreading fear for no reason.
Anywayyyy
This is my first post. Glad to be on this site. You all seem like decent people and I look forward to having some good discussions
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
#18945449 - 10/07/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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NWlight said: idk why people enjoy complaining about prices of acid on those sites.
it's like.... go ahead and find legit acid IRL if you have a problem with it 
Where I'm from I pay 7 € for 120 micrograms of LSD (tested by lab). Come on man, for LSD you mostly pay for the risk, the fact that it's somewhat rare and the greed of the dealer. It seems to me that the latter is disproportionately levelled with respect to online drug sales.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#18945459 - 10/07/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i didn't know there were that many other ones
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#18945489 - 10/07/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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NWlight said: idk why people enjoy complaining about prices of acid on those sites.
it's like.... go ahead and find legit acid IRL if you have a problem with it 
Where I'm from I pay 7 € for 120 micrograms of LSD (tested by lab). Come on man, for LSD you mostly pay for the risk, the fact that it's somewhat rare and the greed of the dealer. It seems to me that the latter is disproportionately levelled with respect to online drug sales.
The prices are fair considering what it is, LSD has a shitty profit margin to begin with ever since Pickard got busted. Prior to that though it was probably a bit cheaper than it should have been.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: extreme]
#18945502 - 10/07/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There are probably 10 times that many sites out there just that most are smaller, close knit, or discrete parts of other sites.
The online blackmarket is its own economy. Yes prices are high but if people can't find a RL source and are willing to pay for it then so be it. Basic supply and demand. I know people that would go to festivals JUST so they could find drug hookups. They were basically paying $80-100 for a ticket to a festival they don't give a shit about just to find a source. If you add that cost into what they buy it isn't much different than SR prices. Also when selling IRL a person can judge who they are selling to, looks, behavior, people vouching, etc. When selling online they can't really judge any of that so there is increased risk of selling to a UC cop. Added risk adds to price.
Personally I have never had connection issues and I too consider most SR prices to be way overpriced but then I don't buy off there. Some people are awful at finding connections and this provides them options.
As for publicity, if these sites didn't want their names getting out there they would close membership and make it invitation only. They aren't. They advertise by word of mouth and some advertise on other forums. These sites are in it to make money for themselves, not just to provide hookups for people.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18945794 - 10/07/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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NWlight said: idk why people enjoy complaining about prices of acid on those sites.
it's like.... go ahead and find legit acid IRL if you have a problem with it 
and have it consistently available at a few days' notice.
for many people without connects IRL like those in the professional community who don't hang out with dirty hippies some drugs are hard to find
You angry bro? Just because you do not have a hook up does not mean that the L online isnt way over priced. It is. And not all people with L are "dirty hippies"
I never said I didnt have an L source.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Smushroom] 1
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At least they aren't selling NBOMes for a high price like street dealers do. I'm sure there are definitely still vendors with L for prices similar to street prices. Somewhere. Maybe you have to buy more than you want but then you can share more with your friends. Way back when, before they went down you could get buy vials 250 a piece off TFM if you bought more than one. Sheets were no more than $450 and those were the "higher-dosed" blotters (like the Belushis if I recall right, I would say what they advertised as 200+mcg blotters but the likelihood of them ACTUALLY being that high isn't much). Then they realized they could charge higher and slowly raised the price until it was over double what it originally was. At this point in time I can't say there's any online LSD vendors who even come close to rivalling the face-to-face dealers that I know, but if you don't have one, it's not really a rip to spend the extra cash unless you're trying to re-sell or something. Is $5 more per hit really that much more to you?
Then there's some domestic vendors with MDMA prices (and from what I've read, amazing purity) that make you wonder why anyone would bother taking the time to find a Chinese lab to synth methylone, let alone using the gun toting Vietnamese gangster street dealer who cuts your shit with more meth and caffeine than MDMA.
and if you ever wonder why LSD is so much more higher-priced online, just think of our old pal joot who had to have his parents post $20,000 in bail along with their house and surrender his passports. He can run and his parents lose everything they worked their entire life for or he can go to trial in November and HOPE he only gets 20 years in prison. just for selling LSD.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: D.M.T]
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You also have to factor in the dealer converting their BTC back to cash (both fees and effort), the dealer having to package and ship (both materials, cost, and time to go to a post office), and the extra precautions they *should* be taking in each deal. If they can sell to their real life customers for $8-10 per hit then there is no reason to sell online unless they are charging $10-12+.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Smushroom]
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Smushroom said: You also have to factor in the dealer converting their BTC back to cash (both fees and effort), the dealer having to package and ship (both materials, cost, and time to go to a post office), and the extra precautions they *should* be taking in each deal. If they can sell to their real life customers for $8-10 per hit then there is no reason to sell online unless they are charging $10-12+.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
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Smushroom said: You also have to factor in the dealer converting their BTC back to cash (both fees and effort), the dealer having to package and ship (both materials, cost, and time to go to a post office), and the extra precautions they *should* be taking in each deal. If they can sell to their real life customers for $8-10 per hit then there is no reason to sell online unless they are charging $10-12+.
QFT
y'all poor mother fuckers need to quit yer bitching.
if you think acid is too expensive then make it yourself
The average person cannot aquire the starting materials, but for those who can it is relatively cheap. The only reason people charge so much is pure greed. And is completely reasonable to complain about the price of it.
Have you ever complained about the price of gas? Well why dont you just go dig up some oil and make it yourself? That is another thing that is overpriced for reasons of greed
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
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no, i do not complain about the prices of things.
it's tacky.
as others have said, in the case of Acid in user amounts you are paying several middlemen and for risk at each step.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
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it's tacky.
as others have said, in the case of Acid in user amounts you are paying several middlemen and for risk at each step.
it's not like the chemists are selling 10 strips
That is really great that you do not mind people robbing you, but I do not appreciate it.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
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so you making the choice to purchase something is robbery.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
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I was referring more so to the gas, but I have never bought overpriced L before so I wouldnt know what that is like
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
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nobody is making you buy gas either.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
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LiquidGlass said: I was referring more so to the gas, but I have never bought overpriced L before so I wouldnt know what that is like 
nobody is making you buy gas either
Depending on situation gas may be a necessity to survive in this culture, and technically no, nobody is putting a gun to my head and making me buy it but I nonetheless am still aware that we are being robbed by oil barons who are making billions of dollars of our asses and it must be nice to live with blinders on and not even care about being robbed as you seem able to do
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
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i'm not being robbed by buying gas... because i don't have a vehicle.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18947953 - 10/08/13 02:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you not familiar with the concept of supply and demand?
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
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yea its funny that a lot of the people who bitch about gas prices also bitch that there is no alternative... there really are alternatives though, although it takes a change in lifestyle.
just like how people who pay high prices for acid certainly live different life styles than those who only pay low prices.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18948439 - 10/08/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can eat mushrooms instead. Also, 20 bucks to trip for 8 hours really isn't all that expensive. 500-600 bucks might seem pricey for a , but that should be enough to last someone a year. Its really not that expensive, its just that the price increased so much in such a short period of time. Also, the high price makes it much less lucrative to sell as the mark up sucks, the only time you can really flip LSD is when you are selling individual hits or if you are selling expensive 10 strips.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Sillyputty67]
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I like this post, i really do, but it doesnt seem like the greatest idea due to shroomery being mentioned with the sr bust because of the altoid post, this thread is gonna popularize those websites.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: 2bakednate]
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how is this post thread anything like altoids posts? i'm pretty sure altoid wasn't posting a news article.
if people want to think i'm the next altoid then feel free to start a circle jerk of an investigation because A this is nothing like altoids posts B if i was operating some kind massive illegal operation i would be much too paranoid to do anything i do which makes it pretty easy to figure out who i am if someone cared enough.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18949532 - 10/08/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, there is alternatives to LSD. Very good alternatives to be honest.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#18949586 - 10/08/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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howmuch is 2cb on the online black market for a hundred dose~1.5gs?
probably is less that 500-600 lol
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
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2bakednate said: I like this post, i really do, but it doesnt seem like the greatest idea due to shroomery being mentioned with the sr bust because of the altoid post, this thread is gonna popularize those websites.
how is this post thread anything like altoids posts? i'm pretty sure altoid wasn't posting a news article.
if people want to think i'm the next altoid then feel free to start a circle jerk of an investigation because A this is nothing like altoids posts B if i was operating some kind massive illegal operation i would be much too paranoid to do anything i do which makes it pretty easy to figure out who i am if someone cared enough.
Exactly! I don't really know you well, but from the little bit we've communicated you definitely seem intelligent enough that you wouldn't go posting about an illegal operation if you were running one. That's one of the ways DPR went wrong, by going around spreading the news in a fashion that could be traced back to him in the way it was. He had a good thing going, and if he would have kept it zipped and not gotten carried away when it came to people trying to move in on his setup, he may still have a good thing going to this day, but he fucked up. Plain and simple.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#18950275 - 10/08/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lord_McLovin said: Yes, there is alternatives to LSD. Very good alternatives to be honest.

Said nobody ever! 2-cb good alternative to L? I think not
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18950310 - 10/08/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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well i haven't done 2cb but 2ci is a lot like mescaline. i'd say its a substitute product for sure. lsd, 2ci, mescaline, nbome, mushrooms/4-aco are all broadly similar just like a big-mac and a whopper are similar...
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18950335 - 10/08/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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NBOMes are similar to a whopper, but instead of a beef patty its dog food and instead of buns its wonderbread, and not even toasted wonder bread. I thought 2CI, was ok but closer to MDMA than LSD, and mushrooms are a good substitute depending on what you want from LSD. Never tried Mescaline as I sm getting sick of heavy body loads in general on the come up.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: fapjack]
#18950363 - 10/08/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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so its more like a whopper versus taco-bell tacos (the meet is only 30% or so real there) they are still substitutes in the economy.
apples and oranges bro.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18950413 - 10/08/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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2cb was pretty awesome.
i liked the visuals and the body high. not as much of a mindfuck as shrooms, maybe a little less even than LSD but then again I have only taken massive doses of LSD before.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18950436 - 10/08/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SurReality said: so its more like a whopper versus taco-bell tacos (the meet is only 30% or so real there) they are still substitutes in the economy.
apples and oranges bro.
I didn't think 25-I was like LSD at all, I hated it to the point where I threw out like a gram of it that I layed onto blotter paper. Actually I didn't throw it out, I just left it in the woods where it got washed away. I also hated the drop in blood pressure, felt like I was going to pass out.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18950465 - 10/08/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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back to LSD prices (sorry i'm backtracking a little, this has been bothering me lol)
it wasn't uncommon for LSD in the late 60s 70's to cost approximately 1.00-2.00 a hit
which in today's dollars is 7-13 dollars 

consider that precursors are WAY more regulated now, the grateful dead stopped touring, AND they made that huge bust about a decade ago...
AND There is tons of bunk shit going around...
the price for LSD is hella low in my opinion, even at 10 dollars a hit.
you want to trip your face off and only pay 5 dollars? fuck, it costs 20 dollars to go see a damn movie nowadays.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: fapjack]
#18950479 - 10/08/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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not disagreeing with you. i never said that apples were anything like oranges. but the are both fruits serve basically the same purpose.
also i'm saying from looking at the entire population. in my opinion there is no slushie that substitutes an icee, but my opinion doesn't change the fact that a slush puppie is a substitute for an icee.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18950513 - 10/08/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think the big issue with LSD prices is that there was never really a big increase between the 70s and the 90s/00s.
I was buying $300 sheets in 2003 and had the option of getting them for $250 in bulk. That included the mark up from the middle man I was going through as well so I imagine the true wholesale cost was $200 or less.
Then the various busts in the early 2000s shot the price up to where it is now in roughly a single decade. In theory the price should have increased at roughly the rate of inflation from the 70s until now and it would have been more bearable.
********* The 2c's have the added euphoria similar to mdma that LSD doesn't have (as much).
TMA-2 is suppose to match mescaline extremely well considering it is the amphetamine version of it. Its on my list of drugs to try.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Smushroom]
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My friend said he used to get sheets for like 30 bucks on tour in the early 80's, he knew a lot of people though. Even all the way up the the 90's you could get sheets for 100 bucks if you knew the right people. By 2003 Pickard already got busted, prices were up at that point. Hopefully someone starts selling L cheap as shit, now that darkweb sites like SR exist there is a much safer place to sell shit like that. Just waiting til someone starts selling crystal on one of those sites...
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: fapjack]
#18950586 - 10/08/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i thought they did sell crystal on sr at some point
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: fapjack]
#18950598 - 10/08/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very seldom to prices ever go down over time.
I imagine that every chemist currently making L has more of a demand than they can supply. Until someone starts producing way more than they can get rid of there is no reason for them to sell it extremely cheaply.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Smushroom]
#18950629 - 10/08/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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nice list, gonna try them out on my phone, it runs tor :-)
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Smushroom]
#18950655 - 10/08/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Smushroom said: Very seldom to prices ever go down over time.
Cocaine Heroin Marijuana MDMA Ketamine all cheaper now than they were 20 years ago. and most drugs other drugs in general with a few exceptions. The price of cocaine has been effects by the weak dollar over the past 20 years, but its still cheaper overall when you figure in inflation. Look at any study on why the war on drugs is a failure for proof on that. There is a lot of competition, so prices and purity are always a factor with who people do business with. When something like SR comes to be, and people can sell drugs more anonymously than ever before it has the potential to completely change how drugs are sold in this country and the world. Its already got to the point where you could by ozs of pure fentanly, being able to buy crystal LSD isn't that far off. If something like the SR comes along and is stable for 5 years, you will be able to get anything off of it.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: fapjack]
#18950662 - 10/08/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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weed is not cheaper
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18950876 - 10/08/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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THC content considered, it is a lot cheaper.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: fapjack]
#18950910 - 10/08/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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my parents told me they could buy ounces for 20 bucks and that would have been the 80s. maybe they are blowin smoke up my ass but that would mean the would have to smoke the entire bag to equal a gram of chronic in most of the USA. or half the bag in places like colorado.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18950938 - 10/08/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Those prices don't sound right at all, unless they lived like right next to Mexico.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: fapjack]
#18950945 - 10/08/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i can get an ounce of weed right now in tucsan for less than 30 lol...
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: fapjack]
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: fapjack]
#18951012 - 10/08/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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they lived on the east coast which currently is most expensive for weed.
my point was RIGHT NOW i can get that, not in the 80's. sorry for not being more explicit for you fap
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18951071 - 10/08/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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15 years ago an oz of shwag was like 50-80 bucks depending on who you were dealing with. I remember cause I was buying pot back then and a lot of my friends sold shwag. I seriously doubt the price tripled in 5 years. You can still get really cheap shit weed for 500-700 bucks a pound now if you go into the hood. I'm pretty sure shwag prices were more expensive here 20 years ago as back then good weed was a lot less common. I could ask older people from this area that used to sell pot for their feedback.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: fapjack]
#18951094 - 10/08/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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where are you from? 80 dollar ounces were everywhere in the mtns before the medical thing got big.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18951118 - 10/08/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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back to LSD prices (sorry i'm backtracking a little, this has been bothering me lol)
it wasn't uncommon for LSD in the late 60s 70's to cost approximately 1.00-2.00 a hit
I was getting sheets/vials for 100 in 90's
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
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back to LSD prices (sorry i'm backtracking a little, this has been bothering me lol)
it wasn't uncommon for LSD in the late 60s 70's to cost approximately 1.00-2.00 a hit
I was getting sheets/vials for 100 in 90's
Goddamn! Up here we're lucky to even SEE acid, and when it is around it's anywhere from 15-20 a hit. Even chronic, for as common as it's gotten to be in the last 2-3 years here, is still 60 bucks an 8th. Of course an ounce of brick can be had for 100-120, but the influx of nugs has pushed out a lot of the dirtweed that used to be all a person could find.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
#18951402 - 10/08/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Consumer prices for MDMA have went down in the US but the major wholesale prices in the US and end user prices overseas have went up over the past 20 years.
Before I got busted in '03 I was importing for $2-3 per tablet and they were dosed around 100mg. In the UK and western Europe they were going for $1-2 pretty consistently in the late 90s and early 00s. Thats comes out for ~$300-500 ounces for molly. I have no idea what the kilo price would have been back then but I imagine less.
When it comes to cost per amount of THC weed has probably stayed about the same or possibly went down. I have to think the average price per weight has went up simply because of the increased THC content.
As for the rest I can't really comment because I don't know the economics on them.
I wasn't factoring in inflation in my statement that drug prices usually don't go down since you said you were hoping acid prices would go down and didn't mention inflation in your post.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
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New Jersey/NYC area.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
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back to LSD prices (sorry i'm backtracking a little, this has been bothering me lol)
it wasn't uncommon for LSD in the late 60s 70's to cost approximately 1.00-2.00 a hit
I was getting sheets/vials for 100 in 90's
Right. You were buying 100 at a time. Not a few. Bulk discounts are nothing new
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
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back to LSD prices (sorry i'm backtracking a little, this has been bothering me lol)
it wasn't uncommon for LSD in the late 60s 70's to cost approximately 1.00-2.00 a hit
I was getting sheets/vials for 100 in 90's
Right. You were buying 100 at a time. Not a few. Bulk discounts are nothing new
I could get single hits for 1.50 then as well, and "bulk discounts" are a long way off from 100 dollars
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18952126 - 10/08/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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=inflation, risk, and supply and demand 
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
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Lets all be civil and post pictures of cats in their "new homes"
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hey if it weren't for some greed acid wouldn't be available. nothing would really be available because people nobody would worry about making money.
whether its greed or gluttony, you gotta be guilty of it or your pretty much useless to society be it law abiding or criminal
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whether its greed or gluttony, you gotta be guilty of it or your pretty much useless to society be it law abiding or criminal
That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard lol
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: fapjack]
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
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i remember 200 dollar sheets before phish came back then BOOM they were 350-400 minimum where I could find them. The demand went up a great deal but the supply remained the same.
and I do think a 8-10 a hit for legit strong doses is fair.
getting drunk at a bar or show? easily spend more than 10 or 20. getting stoned on chronic for 8 hours? Id smoke at least a gram or so about 20 east coast dollars.
precursors are just as hard if not harder than ever to acquire, and as much as I believe lsd to be the miracle that humanity needs, I don't expect anyone that goes through the trouble and risk of producing and distributing it to give it away for nothing.
I feel grateful to be able to get lsd. and privliged to support those fighting the good fight to make it available. and I love thinking about it that way.
its not like anyone has ever said thank god for those Columbian and Mexican cartels that supply us with cocaine by whatever bloody greedy means possible.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
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SurReality said: hey if it weren't for some greed acid wouldn't be available. nothing would really be available because people nobody would worry about making money.
whether its greed or gluttony, you gotta be guilty of it or your pretty much useless to society be it law abiding or criminal
That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard lol
why? maybe i'm missing out on the massive amount of people simply volunteering their time and labor to good will just under my nose. i have only met a handfuls of people that work and make no income and have nothing.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: goldenroad08]
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thank god for those Columbian and Mexican cartels that supply us with cocaine by whatever bloody greedy means possible 
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
#18952590 - 10/09/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol not what i meant but i see what u did der
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
#18952605 - 10/09/13 01:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ill blow 40 bux every once in a while on a g of some good coke if its a funk show and im with a dope chick n all, don't get me wrong.
im just not happy about where the money ends up.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: goldenroad08]
#18952985 - 10/09/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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goldenroad08 said: i remember 200 dollar sheets before phish came back then BOOM they were 350-400 minimum where I could find them. The demand went up a great deal but the supply remained the same.
and I do think a 8-10 a hit for legit strong doses is fair.
getting drunk at a bar or show? easily spend more than 10 or 20. getting stoned on chronic for 8 hours? Id smoke at least a gram or so about 20 east coast dollars.
precursors are just as hard if not harder than ever to acquire, and as much as I believe lsd to be the miracle that humanity needs, I don't expect anyone that goes through the trouble and risk of producing and distributing it to give it away for nothing.
I feel grateful to be able to get lsd. and privliged to support those fighting the good fight to make it available. and I love thinking about it that way.
its not like anyone has ever said thank god for those Columbian and Mexican cartels that supply us with cocaine by whatever bloody greedy means possible.
Yeah but at 8-10 a hit, which I would never in my life pay that amount of good L in the 90's and I would have to take anywhere from 5 to 10 hits of todays acid to equal the power of one hit of the stuff back then.
So for a nice strong trip I would be spending 50 to 100 dollars, no thank you. If it ever gets to the point of having to overpay for acid, that is the day I will stop doing L for good and just stick to mushrooms, mescaline, and DMT
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18953436 - 10/09/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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We get it, you're the man with such awesome connects. but the hits in the 90s were not that much more potent. Many were the same strength as todays, they dropped the potency twofold by the mid-80s. Check out dea analysis of lsd they seized if you don't agree. If you must eat 5 hits of L to trip you're either getting like 20mcg tabs or need to lay off for a while, that's ridiculous. 2 will rock my world in todays tabs and I"ve taken plenty of old school tabs. I can handle 5 but I don't need any more than 2 or 3 to get where I wanna be. That's like 15 dollars max. You can't afford 15 dollars to trip maybe you should be worrying about more pressing things than drugs in my opinion.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: D.M.T]
#18955030 - 10/09/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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D.M.T said: We get it, you're the man with such awesome connects. but the hits in the 90s were not that much more potent. Many were the same strength as todays, they dropped the potency twofold by the mid-80s. Check out dea analysis of lsd they seized if you don't agree. If you must eat 5 hits of L to trip you're either getting like 20mcg tabs or need to lay off for a while, that's ridiculous. 2 will rock my world in todays tabs and I"ve taken plenty of old school tabs. I can handle 5 but I don't need any more than 2 or 3 to get where I wanna be. That's like 15 dollars max. You can't afford 15 dollars to trip maybe you should be worrying about more pressing things than drugs in my opinion.
Well the thing is at this point I can trip just fine off of 15 dollars so that is not an issue. the people selling over priced L doesnt really affect me at the moment, but I will still comment on how it is purely greed related.
You must have been getting some weak stuff in the 90's because the doses were WAY stronger, at least the ones I was getting. Of course microdots and geltabs were always insane, but thwere was some really amazing white blotter as well.
Why dont you post some links of articles from MIcrogram from the 90's and then from today, because I am not about to go digging through a bunch of back issues when I know without a doubt that the L was stronger back then. How old are you anyway, not that it really matters I am just curious?
And I usually will only trip once every few months or so, so tolerance is not an issue. I have always been able to handle higher doses than my peers
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18955166 - 10/09/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Something that you guys aren't bringing up about the 90s vs now is the method of distribution of L.
From the 70s until the 90s the LSD trade was produced and distributed by a very small group of people. Guys like Owsley and Pickard produced huge amounts and it was distributed via the Family, Hells Angels, Phish heads, and I'm sure a few others. Most were moving serious weight so they could charge a very low markup. There were also very few middlemen between the suppliers and the end user meaning fewer chances for markup.
To my knowledge there isn't a centrallized LSD production and distribution ring now. It seems to come in smaller batches from various places. Since there is no central bulk supplier small time dealers have to go through multiple layers of dealers to get supplied meaning more markup.
It isn't like the end seller is getting it for $1 and selling it for $10.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Smushroom]
#18955183 - 10/09/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've sampled two different batches this year that are stronger than anything I've seen previously, and I've seen a lot. One hit of each of these batches is plenty. So not all acid now is weaker than it was in the 90s.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18955425 - 10/09/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well the thing is at this point I can trip just fine off of 15 dollars so that is not an issue. the people selling over priced L doesnt really affect me at the moment, but I will still comment on how it is purely greed related.
You must have been getting some weak stuff in the 90's because the doses were WAY stronger, at least the ones I was getting. Of course microdots and geltabs were always insane, but thwere was some really amazing white blotter as well.
Why dont you post some links of articles from MIcrogram from the 90's and then from today, because I am not about to go digging through a bunch of back issues when I know without a doubt that the L was stronger back then. How old are you anyway, not that it really matters I am just curious?
And I usually will only trip once every few months or so, so tolerance is not an issue. I have always been able to handle higher doses than my peers
According to the DEA in 1987, every blotter they seized from 1977 to 1987 was between 20mcg and 80mcg Source: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_blotter_microgram_1987.pdf
Now if you look at the recent analysis done by Energy Control in Spain, you will see very similar dosages (including one that is actually stronger at 123 mcg) http://www.ecstasydata.org/results.php?start=0&search_field=substance&s=lsd
In fact if these analysis can be believed (we can only assume they are correct) then the LSD now is actually stronger on average than in the 70s/80s. But the quality of crystal has gone down, in the 80s only averaging in the 60% range, according to this site: http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/dea/pubs/lsd/LSD-5.htm
I'm pretty sure even though the site says STOP THE DEA, the article was written by the DEA. The site sort of confuses me.
I remember getting the Eye of Horus print in the 90s and thinking they were really strong. can't tell if the ones in that DEA analysis are the same though, the ones I had were perf'd, measured 1cmx1cm. Microdots did seem a lot more potent I agree with you there.The potency was so much higher people thought they were mescaline or PCP(stupid thought now looking back on it but the only info on drugs you could find was in the library). There was a print I recall in 1987 called Goonie Birds, people used to cut into fourths of a hit it was so potent. My dad picked up a sheet and a half for $100 and held onto it for years. My dad stored them for like five years before I got to try them and I wouldn't doubt they were in the 200mcg range at all.
I'd rather not discuss my age here but let's say it's not that young but not that old either. Shit I remember in the 90s $20 would get you a shopping cart full of groceries, now it will get you like three things. The dollar keeps losing its value it's only reasonable things like LSD would go up in price too.
Yep glad I kept my old friends from the lot, one hit went from $1 to $5, I'm OK with that, just spend 30 more and get 10. with inflation and all the hands it must pass through it's pretty reasonable to cost SOMETHING. (10 grams of crystal broken down to 1 gram of crystal, then to the blotter layers, then to the guy getting 100k hits, to the guy getting 50k hits, to 10k, to 1k, to 100, to 10 and less). Think I've gone on a ramble and lost my point somewhere but you understand.  
oh and another thing I just thought of was back then crystal was a lot more easy to come by because the supply was a lot higher and the prints were easier to mimic with just blank paper. every fest had someone laying a print for just that specific fest. with the busts the chains wisened up and stopped making crystal so available, so now there's more hands it has to pass through before it gets to the streets, making higher cost for the user.
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#18956266 - 10/09/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You guys have a point
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
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