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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
#18952162 - 10/08/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lets all be civil and post pictures of cats in their "new homes"
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: fapjack] 1
#18952196 - 10/08/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey if it weren't for some greed acid wouldn't be available. nothing would really be available because people nobody would worry about making money.
whether its greed or gluttony, you gotta be guilty of it or your pretty much useless to society be it law abiding or criminal
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight] 1
#18952550 - 10/09/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SurReality said: hey if it weren't for some greed acid wouldn't be available. nothing would really be available because people nobody would worry about making money.
whether its greed or gluttony, you gotta be guilty of it or your pretty much useless to society be it law abiding or criminal
That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard lol
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: fapjack]
#18952557 - 10/09/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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fapjack said: Lets all be civil and post pictures of cats in their "new homes"

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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18952569 - 10/09/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i remember 200 dollar sheets before phish came back then BOOM they were 350-400 minimum where I could find them. The demand went up a great deal but the supply remained the same.
and I do think a 8-10 a hit for legit strong doses is fair.
getting drunk at a bar or show? easily spend more than 10 or 20. getting stoned on chronic for 8 hours? Id smoke at least a gram or so about 20 east coast dollars.
precursors are just as hard if not harder than ever to acquire, and as much as I believe lsd to be the miracle that humanity needs, I don't expect anyone that goes through the trouble and risk of producing and distributing it to give it away for nothing.
I feel grateful to be able to get lsd. and privliged to support those fighting the good fight to make it available. and I love thinking about it that way.
its not like anyone has ever said thank god for those Columbian and Mexican cartels that supply us with cocaine by whatever bloody greedy means possible.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18952571 - 10/09/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SurReality said: hey if it weren't for some greed acid wouldn't be available. nothing would really be available because people nobody would worry about making money.
whether its greed or gluttony, you gotta be guilty of it or your pretty much useless to society be it law abiding or criminal
That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard lol
why? maybe i'm missing out on the massive amount of people simply volunteering their time and labor to good will just under my nose. i have only met a handfuls of people that work and make no income and have nothing.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: goldenroad08]
#18952574 - 10/09/13 12:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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thank god for those Columbian and Mexican cartels that supply us with cocaine by whatever bloody greedy means possible 
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
#18952590 - 10/09/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol not what i meant but i see what u did der
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
#18952605 - 10/09/13 01:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ill blow 40 bux every once in a while on a g of some good coke if its a funk show and im with a dope chick n all, don't get me wrong.
im just not happy about where the money ends up.
(cartels and the cia)
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: goldenroad08]
#18952985 - 10/09/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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goldenroad08 said: i remember 200 dollar sheets before phish came back then BOOM they were 350-400 minimum where I could find them. The demand went up a great deal but the supply remained the same.
and I do think a 8-10 a hit for legit strong doses is fair.
getting drunk at a bar or show? easily spend more than 10 or 20. getting stoned on chronic for 8 hours? Id smoke at least a gram or so about 20 east coast dollars.
precursors are just as hard if not harder than ever to acquire, and as much as I believe lsd to be the miracle that humanity needs, I don't expect anyone that goes through the trouble and risk of producing and distributing it to give it away for nothing.
I feel grateful to be able to get lsd. and privliged to support those fighting the good fight to make it available. and I love thinking about it that way.
its not like anyone has ever said thank god for those Columbian and Mexican cartels that supply us with cocaine by whatever bloody greedy means possible.
Yeah but at 8-10 a hit, which I would never in my life pay that amount of good L in the 90's and I would have to take anywhere from 5 to 10 hits of todays acid to equal the power of one hit of the stuff back then.
So for a nice strong trip I would be spending 50 to 100 dollars, no thank you. If it ever gets to the point of having to overpay for acid, that is the day I will stop doing L for good and just stick to mushrooms, mescaline, and DMT
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18953436 - 10/09/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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We get it, you're the man with such awesome connects. but the hits in the 90s were not that much more potent. Many were the same strength as todays, they dropped the potency twofold by the mid-80s. Check out dea analysis of lsd they seized if you don't agree. If you must eat 5 hits of L to trip you're either getting like 20mcg tabs or need to lay off for a while, that's ridiculous. 2 will rock my world in todays tabs and I"ve taken plenty of old school tabs. I can handle 5 but I don't need any more than 2 or 3 to get where I wanna be. That's like 15 dollars max. You can't afford 15 dollars to trip maybe you should be worrying about more pressing things than drugs in my opinion.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: D.M.T]
#18955030 - 10/09/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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D.M.T said: We get it, you're the man with such awesome connects. but the hits in the 90s were not that much more potent. Many were the same strength as todays, they dropped the potency twofold by the mid-80s. Check out dea analysis of lsd they seized if you don't agree. If you must eat 5 hits of L to trip you're either getting like 20mcg tabs or need to lay off for a while, that's ridiculous. 2 will rock my world in todays tabs and I"ve taken plenty of old school tabs. I can handle 5 but I don't need any more than 2 or 3 to get where I wanna be. That's like 15 dollars max. You can't afford 15 dollars to trip maybe you should be worrying about more pressing things than drugs in my opinion.
Well the thing is at this point I can trip just fine off of 15 dollars so that is not an issue. the people selling over priced L doesnt really affect me at the moment, but I will still comment on how it is purely greed related.
You must have been getting some weak stuff in the 90's because the doses were WAY stronger, at least the ones I was getting. Of course microdots and geltabs were always insane, but thwere was some really amazing white blotter as well.
Why dont you post some links of articles from MIcrogram from the 90's and then from today, because I am not about to go digging through a bunch of back issues when I know without a doubt that the L was stronger back then. How old are you anyway, not that it really matters I am just curious?
And I usually will only trip once every few months or so, so tolerance is not an issue. I have always been able to handle higher doses than my peers
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18955166 - 10/09/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Something that you guys aren't bringing up about the 90s vs now is the method of distribution of L.
From the 70s until the 90s the LSD trade was produced and distributed by a very small group of people. Guys like Owsley and Pickard produced huge amounts and it was distributed via the Family, Hells Angels, Phish heads, and I'm sure a few others. Most were moving serious weight so they could charge a very low markup. There were also very few middlemen between the suppliers and the end user meaning fewer chances for markup.
To my knowledge there isn't a centrallized LSD production and distribution ring now. It seems to come in smaller batches from various places. Since there is no central bulk supplier small time dealers have to go through multiple layers of dealers to get supplied meaning more markup.
It isn't like the end seller is getting it for $1 and selling it for $10.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Smushroom]
#18955183 - 10/09/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've sampled two different batches this year that are stronger than anything I've seen previously, and I've seen a lot. One hit of each of these batches is plenty. So not all acid now is weaker than it was in the 90s.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
#18955425 - 10/09/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well the thing is at this point I can trip just fine off of 15 dollars so that is not an issue. the people selling over priced L doesnt really affect me at the moment, but I will still comment on how it is purely greed related.
You must have been getting some weak stuff in the 90's because the doses were WAY stronger, at least the ones I was getting. Of course microdots and geltabs were always insane, but thwere was some really amazing white blotter as well.
Why dont you post some links of articles from MIcrogram from the 90's and then from today, because I am not about to go digging through a bunch of back issues when I know without a doubt that the L was stronger back then. How old are you anyway, not that it really matters I am just curious?
And I usually will only trip once every few months or so, so tolerance is not an issue. I have always been able to handle higher doses than my peers
According to the DEA in 1987, every blotter they seized from 1977 to 1987 was between 20mcg and 80mcg Source: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_blotter_microgram_1987.pdf
Now if you look at the recent analysis done by Energy Control in Spain, you will see very similar dosages (including one that is actually stronger at 123 mcg) http://www.ecstasydata.org/results.php?start=0&search_field=substance&s=lsd
In fact if these analysis can be believed (we can only assume they are correct) then the LSD now is actually stronger on average than in the 70s/80s. But the quality of crystal has gone down, in the 80s only averaging in the 60% range, according to this site: http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/dea/pubs/lsd/LSD-5.htm
I'm pretty sure even though the site says STOP THE DEA, the article was written by the DEA. The site sort of confuses me.
I remember getting the Eye of Horus print in the 90s and thinking they were really strong. can't tell if the ones in that DEA analysis are the same though, the ones I had were perf'd, measured 1cmx1cm. Microdots did seem a lot more potent I agree with you there.The potency was so much higher people thought they were mescaline or PCP(stupid thought now looking back on it but the only info on drugs you could find was in the library). There was a print I recall in 1987 called Goonie Birds, people used to cut into fourths of a hit it was so potent. My dad picked up a sheet and a half for $100 and held onto it for years. My dad stored them for like five years before I got to try them and I wouldn't doubt they were in the 200mcg range at all.
I'd rather not discuss my age here but let's say it's not that young but not that old either. Shit I remember in the 90s $20 would get you a shopping cart full of groceries, now it will get you like three things. The dollar keeps losing its value it's only reasonable things like LSD would go up in price too.
Yep glad I kept my old friends from the lot, one hit went from $1 to $5, I'm OK with that, just spend 30 more and get 10. with inflation and all the hands it must pass through it's pretty reasonable to cost SOMETHING. (10 grams of crystal broken down to 1 gram of crystal, then to the blotter layers, then to the guy getting 100k hits, to the guy getting 50k hits, to 10k, to 1k, to 100, to 10 and less). Think I've gone on a ramble and lost my point somewhere but you understand.  
oh and another thing I just thought of was back then crystal was a lot more easy to come by because the supply was a lot higher and the prints were easier to mimic with just blank paper. every fest had someone laying a print for just that specific fest. with the busts the chains wisened up and stopped making crystal so available, so now there's more hands it has to pass through before it gets to the streets, making higher cost for the user.
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: D.M.T] 1
#18956266 - 10/09/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You guys have a point
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
#18963060 - 10/11/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
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