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Offlineorison
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight] * 2
    #18944458 - 10/07/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

something in these posts made me think about this scene from Wargames..



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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
    #18945037 - 10/07/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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there is certainly a conflict of interest that Sur seems to be avoiding mentioning :lol:




i'm not sure what you mean by that, feel free to call me out on anything.


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
    #18945371 - 10/07/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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NWlight said:
idk why people enjoy complaining about prices of acid on those sites.


it's like.... go ahead and find legit acid IRL if you have a problem with it :lol:


and have it consistently available at a few days' notice.



for many people without connects IRL like those in the professional community who don't hang out with dirty hippies some drugs are hard to find





You angry bro? Just because you do not have a hook up does not mean that the L online isnt way over priced. It is. And not all people with L are "dirty hippies"


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
    #18945375 - 10/07/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The issue of source discussion shouldnt be at play here. I have read tons of articles regarding SR that also mention alternatives such as BMR. This one has specific addresses but it doesnt really matter because anybody can find out the addresses.

Also HybridprX, you are spreading serious misinformation. You claim that Tor has been compromised but this is simply false, and if you have any evidence you should offer it up. You don't though because according to documents released through Snowden, even the NSA has only had very very limited success.

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They're probably investigating user profiles and posts on shroomery.



^^^ Another unfounded claim that is most likely not true. Your speculation about how police operate in your area is just that, speculation. Stop spreading fear for no reason.

Anywayyyy

This is my first post. Glad to be on this site. You all seem like decent people and I look forward to having some good discussions


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
    #18945449 - 10/07/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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NWlight said:
idk why people enjoy complaining about prices of acid on those sites.


it's like.... go ahead and find legit acid IRL if you have a problem with it :lol:





Where I'm from I pay 7 € for 120 micrograms of LSD (tested by lab). :shrug:
Come on man, for LSD you mostly pay for the risk, the fact that it's somewhat rare and the greed of the dealer. It seems to me that the latter is disproportionately levelled with respect to online drug sales.


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #18945459 - 10/07/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i didn't know there were that many other ones


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #18945489 - 10/07/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Lord_McLovin said:
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NWlight said:
idk why people enjoy complaining about prices of acid on those sites.


it's like.... go ahead and find legit acid IRL if you have a problem with it :lol:





Where I'm from I pay 7 € for 120 micrograms of LSD (tested by lab). :shrug:
Come on man, for LSD you mostly pay for the risk, the fact that it's somewhat rare and the greed of the dealer. It seems to me that the latter is disproportionately levelled with respect to online drug sales.




The prices are fair considering what it is, LSD has a shitty profit margin to begin with ever since Pickard got busted.  Prior to that though it was probably a bit cheaper than it should have been.


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: extreme]
    #18945502 - 10/07/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There are probably 10 times that many sites out there just that most are smaller, close knit, or discrete parts of other sites.

The online blackmarket is its own economy. Yes prices are high but if people can't find a RL source and are willing to pay for it then so be it. Basic supply and demand. I know people that would go to festivals JUST so they could find drug hookups. They were basically paying $80-100 for a ticket to a festival they don't give a shit about just to find a source. If you add that cost into what they buy it isn't much different than SR prices. Also when selling IRL a person can judge who they are selling to, looks, behavior, people vouching, etc. When selling online they can't really judge any of that so there is increased risk of selling to a UC cop. Added risk adds to price.

Personally I have never had connection issues and I too consider most SR prices to be way overpriced but then I don't buy off there. Some people are awful at finding connections and this provides them options.

As for publicity, if these sites didn't want their names getting out there they would close membership and make it invitation only. They aren't. They advertise by word of mouth and some advertise on other forums. These sites are in it to make money for themselves, not just to provide hookups for people.


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InvisibleNWlight
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #18945794 - 10/07/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

LiquidGlass said:
Quote:

NWlight said:
idk why people enjoy complaining about prices of acid on those sites.


it's like.... go ahead and find legit acid IRL if you have a problem with it :lol:


and have it consistently available at a few days' notice.



for many people without connects IRL like those in the professional community who don't hang out with dirty hippies some drugs are hard to find





You angry bro? Just because you do not have a hook up does not mean that the L online isnt way over priced. It is. And not all people with L are "dirty hippies"



I never said I didnt have an L source.

And I just like calling people dirty hippies. Of course they arent haha you shouldve known I was joking


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Smushroom] * 1
    #18945850 - 10/07/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

At least they aren't selling NBOMes for a high price like street dealers do. I'm sure there are definitely still vendors with L for prices similar to street prices. Somewhere. Maybe you have to buy more than you want but then you can share more with your friends. Way back when, before they went down you could get buy vials 250 a piece off TFM if you bought more than one. Sheets were no more than $450 and those were the "higher-dosed" blotters (like the Belushis if I recall right, I would say what they advertised as 200+mcg blotters but the likelihood of them ACTUALLY being that high isn't much). Then they realized they could charge higher and slowly raised the price until it was over double what it originally was. At this point in time I can't say there's any online LSD vendors who even come close to rivalling the face-to-face dealers that I know, but if you don't have one, it's not really a rip to spend the extra cash unless you're trying to re-sell or something. Is $5 more per hit really that much more to you?

Then there's some domestic vendors with MDMA prices (and from what I've read, amazing purity) that make you wonder why anyone would bother taking the time to find a Chinese lab to synth methylone, let alone using the gun toting Vietnamese gangster street dealer who cuts your shit with more meth and caffeine than MDMA.

and if you ever wonder why LSD is so much more higher-priced online, just think of our old pal joot who had to have his parents post $20,000 in bail along with their house and surrender his passports. He can run and his parents lose everything they worked their entire life for or he can go to trial in November and HOPE he only gets 20 years in prison. just for selling LSD.


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: D.M.T]
    #18946407 - 10/07/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You also have to factor in the dealer converting their BTC back to cash (both fees and effort), the dealer having to package and ship (both materials, cost, and time to go to a post office), and the extra precautions they *should* be taking in each deal. If they can sell to their real life customers for $8-10 per hit then there is no reason to sell online unless they are charging $10-12+.


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Smushroom]
    #18947782 - 10/08/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Smushroom said:
You also have to factor in the dealer converting their BTC back to cash (both fees and effort), the dealer having to package and ship (both materials, cost, and time to go to a post office), and the extra precautions they *should* be taking in each deal. If they can sell to their real life customers for $8-10 per hit then there is no reason to sell online unless they are charging $10-12+.



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y'all poor mother fuckers need to quit yer bitching.


if you think acid is too expensive then make it yourself


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
    #18947897 - 10/08/13 01:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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NWlight said:
Quote:

Smushroom said:
You also have to factor in the dealer converting their BTC back to cash (both fees and effort), the dealer having to package and ship (both materials, cost, and time to go to a post office), and the extra precautions they *should* be taking in each deal. If they can sell to their real life customers for $8-10 per hit then there is no reason to sell online unless they are charging $10-12+.



QFT


y'all poor mother fuckers need to quit yer bitching.


if you think acid is too expensive then make it yourself




The average person cannot aquire the starting materials, but for those who can it is relatively cheap. The only reason people charge so much is pure greed. And is completely reasonable to complain about the price of it.

Have you ever complained about the price of gas? Well why dont you just go dig up some oil and make it yourself? That is another thing that is overpriced for reasons of greed


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #18947900 - 10/08/13 01:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

no, i do not complain about the prices of things.

it's tacky.

as others have said, in the case of Acid in user amounts you are paying several middlemen and for risk at each step.

it's not like the chemists are selling 10 strips


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
    #18947906 - 10/08/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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NWlight said:
no, i do not complain about the prices of things.

it's tacky.

as others have said, in the case of Acid in user amounts you are paying several middlemen and for risk at each step.

it's not like the chemists are selling 10 strips





That is really great that you do not mind people robbing you, but I do not appreciate it.


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #18947909 - 10/08/13 01:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

so you making the choice to purchase something is robbery.:strokebeard:

nobody is making you buy acid


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
    #18947914 - 10/08/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I was referring more so to the gas, but I have never bought overpriced L before so I wouldnt know what that is like  :shrug:


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #18947916 - 10/08/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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LiquidGlass said:
I was referring more so to the gas, but I have never bought overpriced L before so I wouldnt know what that is like  :shrug:




nobody is making you buy gas either.


supply and demand dictates price, not some farcical idealist sense of LSD being a magic chemical that should be cheaper


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: NWlight]
    #18947919 - 10/08/13 01:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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NWlight said:
Quote:

LiquidGlass said:
I was referring more so to the gas, but I have never bought overpriced L before so I wouldnt know what that is like  :shrug:




nobody is making you buy gas either




Depending on situation gas may be a necessity to survive in this culture, and technically no, nobody is putting a gun to my head and making me buy it but I nonetheless am still aware that we are being robbed by oil barons who are making billions of dollars of our asses and it must be nice to live with blinders on and not even care about being robbed as you seem able to do


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #18947951 - 10/08/13 02:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i'm not being robbed by buying gas... because i don't have a vehicle.


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