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InvisibleSynthe
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Blindtheeye]
    #18940868 - 10/06/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Blindtheeye said:
Spreading unwanted heat.. gee thanks



At first I felt the same way, but then I pondered for a moment. The more sites we have, the more popular they get, the harder it will be for the feds to shut it all down. If it gets big enough, there won't be any stopping it - at least, so long as the encryption holds.


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Synthe]
    #18940923 - 10/06/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

NTY never have and never will be apart of this...


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OfflineSurReality
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Invisible_Woe]
    #18940957 - 10/06/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Invisible_Woe said:
NTY never have and never will be apart of this...




same, although extremely interesting to know about and understand.

i believe it really is a good thing for the black market. it really does keep violent crime down a lot in relation to the drug blackmarket.

although i can't believe people are selling things like c4, if i wanted c4 i can't imagine having it shipped to my fucking house lol.


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Invisible_Woe] * 1
    #18940969 - 10/06/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

To all of the people bitching and crying about this article, it an an ARTICLE. It was written by someone else and posted on a public site so it is out there already. What is posting it here gonna do? The feds already know there is a bunch of druggies on this site anyway, and you can bet they know about those sites already . . .


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
    #18941052 - 10/06/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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SurReality said:
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Invisible_Woe said:
NTY never have and never will be apart of this...




same, although extremely interesting to know about and understand.

i believe it really is a good thing for the black market. it really does keep violent crime down a lot in relation to the drug blackmarket.

although i can't believe people are selling things like c4, if i wanted c4 i can't imagine having it shipped to my fucking house lol.



C4? :lol: I seriously doubt they sell explosives on there. It's either a) a scam by the seller or b) exaggeration by the journalist.

Also, I don't think C4 is widely used in the military anymore anyway. They do have other, better explosives. Therefore, it's probably not widely manufactured anymore.


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InvisibleSmushroom
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #18941057 - 10/06/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Silk Road and other darkweb sites stayed on the downlow for a while because the media didn't really have a clue about. Once they found out and started doing articles about SR it increased both their profile, Tor's, and other marketplaces as well.

At this point most markets are general knowledge. This was a news article on a news site which means that it is 100% searchable on google.

Search "silk road replacement" on google and you get 1.3 million hits.

If the users of SR are able to find out about new sites and migrate then you can be sure the feds watching those sites migrated as well.

SurReality isn't doing anything wrong by posting this. I don' think anyone that is looking for a SR replacement is dumb enough to need this post to find it.


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InvisibleBlindtheeye
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Smushroom]
    #18941096 - 10/06/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So the next target for the powers that be is tor itself.


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InvisibleFungi
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Blindtheeye]
    #18941140 - 10/06/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That's like closing down Facebook because some people use it for illegal activities. Won't happen or very unlikely


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #18941147 - 10/06/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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LiquidGlass said:
To all of the people bitching and crying about this article, it an an ARTICLE. It was written by someone else and posted on a public site so it is out there already. What is posting it here gonna do? The feds already know there is a bunch of druggies on this site anyway, and you can bet they know about those sites already . . .




The fact that it is/was a public site is the problem....


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Invisiblenooneman
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
    #18941290 - 10/06/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the links. :thumbup:


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
    #18941298 - 10/06/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Great links. I archived the wonderhowto page to my computer.


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InvisibleCounterCulturest
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SnowDaze] * 1
    #18941415 - 10/06/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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SnowDaze said:
TAKE THIS DOWN YOU FUCK!

why would you put all these sources in hot water

my god,



and you usually are a good poster! you should know better



Shut. The. Fuck. Up. They aren't meant to be private. This shit isn't invitation only. These sites are meant to be able to find for fuck sake.


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: CounterCulturest]
    #18942381 - 10/06/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So I just did a test run on those websites there. Anyone else try this yet? It seems all the ones without a picture posted are SKETCHY AF!! Like they all have literally like 5 products and this percentage system where you get money for referrals and their site mapping is all the same. I don't trust it personally. I wasn't able to load BMR or Sheep but even DeepBay didn't even ship to US. I just for curiosity has anyone ever come across the Renaissance onion link? I don't want it posted or shared, just want to know if it's out there?


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Atrium]
    #18942402 - 10/06/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

idk what renaissance is.

the only one that didn't work for me was the sheep one. pretty sure, only tried a couple of the links that didn't have pictures though and they didn't seem that great to me either.


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
    #18942459 - 10/06/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just like Whack-A-Mole.


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InvisibleFungi
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Terratic]
    #18942779 - 10/06/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Chill, tor is good privacy, it's not like we are posting a dealer's address lol


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Fungi] * 2
    #18943065 - 10/07/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

SR did a really good job of actually keeping themselves and their customers safe. Just because another site is on Tor and actually comes through on orders doesn't mean it is anywhere near as safe as SR.

SR used a tumbler to hide all BTC transaction so they couldn't be traced when going into or out of SR's escrow wallets. I don't know if the other sites do. Since every BTC transaction is public (just not who is paying who) its pretty important to hide the transactions. This avoids the feds from easily identifying a specific wallet belonging to an underground site and then using that to trace the transactions back to the people physically funding them.

SR actually used legitimate escrow for orders. This helped to avoid scammers from ripping people off. I'm not sure about other sites, not just if they use escrow but if they can be trusted to pay it out and hide it efficiently. The bad part of escrow is that someone can make a site, use escrow, get order volume up, and then cut and run taking everyone's money.

You have to use as much discretion, if not more, when dealing online as if you were buying shit on the street. Just because it is behind Tor doesn't mean it is automatically safe.

SR did $1.2 billion in sales over 2-ish years. BMR has did $700k in sales. There are going to be some major growing pains every marketplace and I'm sure there will be some fuck ups that will result in people getting ripped off and people getting busted, it is the nature of the industry. Just be careful.


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Fungi]
    #18943072 - 10/07/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:fuckyeahdance:

:Awemazing:

thanks Sur

you saved many people a lot of trouble and potentially getting scammed by accessing mirrors of these sites on accident


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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: SurReality]
    #18943080 - 10/07/13 01:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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SurReality said:
idk what renaissance is.

the only one that didn't work for me was the sheep one. pretty sure, only tried a couple of the links that didn't have pictures though and they didn't seem that great to me either.



I looked back like 10 pages or so and still couldn't find the article, which is weird. I read it here, I know so. Anyways it was announced before Atlantis went down and these guys, led by an ominous named leader LEO was talking about the Renaissance underground site that is tight lipped and only has a few hundred customers. Something like they don't want the name to go out and are invite only so I just wanted to know if anyone from here has used it or heard of it at least?


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InvisibleSmushroom
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Re: Online blackmarket already has a new home [Re: Atrium]
    #18943092 - 10/07/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sites with very few users mean very little competition and probably very high prices or poor quality. This translates to very little in commission for the owners unless they are selling themselves.

The physical shipping/receiving is the weak link in online sales. Shipping data, post office cameras, fingerprints, etc can be traced back to the dealer. If the dealer is the one running a website as well this could get it busted pretty quickly.

I'm not saying this is true of what you mentioned but economically small sites are more likely to have issues.


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