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OrgoneConclusion
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Interesting factoid about religion
#18940198 - 10/06/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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All of the very early religions were tribal based. There was no converting to another tribe's beliefs. And of course, no opting out either. It was as much a part of one's culture as language and dress.
The concept of 'spreading the word' or proselytizing, never occurred to anyone. It was private and very localized.
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cez


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Another interesting factoid-The Bible is the most stolen book in the world....Is that a sin?
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Icelander
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OrgoneConclusion said: All of the very early religions were tribal based. There was no converting to another tribe's beliefs. And of course, no opting out either. It was as much a part of one's culture as language and dress.
The concept of 'spreading the word' or proselytizing, never occurred to anyone. It was private and very localized.
Well that's not gods fault.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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AWS
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This isn't interesting. You should change the title.
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Re: Interesting factoid about religion [Re: AWS] 4
#18940747 - 10/06/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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AWS said: This isn't interesting. You should change the title.
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tribesman
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OrgoneConclusion said: All of the very early religions were tribal based. There was no converting to another tribe's beliefs. And of course, no opting out either. It was as much a part of one's culture as language and dress.
The concept of 'spreading the word' or proselytizing, never occurred to anyone. It was private and very localized.
I'll bet even in this microcosm of tribal religion, even individuals had their own internal perspectives on the almighty.
I have a question though; how does someone enter into discussion on the mysteries of life, the universe, and everything; without it being perceived as preaching or trying to convince/convert the other party?
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Re: Interesting factoid about religion [Re: tribesman]
#18945114 - 10/07/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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tribesman said:
I have a question though; how does someone enter into discussion on the mysteries of life, the universe, and everything; without it being perceived as preaching or trying to convince/convert the other party?
Start by making it clear you are not presenting something as fact, think along the lines of the scientific method and follow the rules of debate.
That, in my opinion, is an effective way to communicate about a hypothesis.
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Re: Interesting factoid about religion [Re: Repertoire89] 3
#18945677 - 10/07/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That, in my opinion, is an effective way to communicate about a hippothesis.
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The idea of converting is to expand the meme of those religious beliefs for the religious institutions to assert power. In short these religions are not based on appeasement of any deity but on the belief of personal egoic salvation using the existential fear as the leveraging tool. It is a powerful motivator; if stripped of everything but the core you get: Join us and you will get everlasting pleasure after death, don't and you will get everlasting pain. The actual teachings of compassion by the teachers is lost. Since the idea of death is so threatening to the ego self complex it is no small coincidence that the proselytizing religions have the most followers, most of which will go through hell when their ego dissolves at death.
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Re: Interesting factoid about religion [Re: Eywa_devotee]
#18948093 - 10/08/13 03:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eywa_devotee said: most of which will go through hell when their ego dissolves at death.
Perhaps the hell of total disillusionment combined with the confrontation of actual death

I think we all may have that fortune though
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Re: Interesting factoid about religion [Re: Eywa_devotee]
#18948232 - 10/08/13 05:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eywa_devotee said: The idea of converting is to expand the meme of those religious beliefs for the religious institutions to assert power. In short these religions are not based on appeasement of any deity but on the belief of personal egoic salvation using the existential fear as the leveraging tool. It is a powerful motivator; if stripped of everything but the core you get: Join us and you will get everlasting pleasure after death, don't and you will get everlasting pain. The actual teachings of compassion by the teachers is lost. Since the idea of death is so threatening to the ego self complex it is no small coincidence that the proselytizing religions have the most followers,
This was exactly my experience of Christianity in America.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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