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LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!!
#18939292 - 10/06/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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what u gonna need: D WATER SODIUM BICARBONATE POTASSIUM HYDROXIDE TOLUENE METHANOL ETHANOL DRY ICE(OPTIONAL) THIONYL CHLORIDE TARTARIC ACID NITROGEN SECURITY RED LIGHT DIETHYLAMINE
getting LSA alkaloid: 1.) grind 4KG hawaiian baby woodrose seeds to a fine powder (addition of dry ice will allow you to obtain a finer powder) 2.) put water just to cover the seeds, and add a little tartaric acid to that 3.)soak seeds in 500ml of toluene, doing it repeatedly 3 times and discart the toluene layer 4.) soak the seeds in pure distilled or de-ionized water for 3 days with the addition of 5-1g of tartaric acid also agitating 5.) filter and save both parts and repeat step 4 with 1/2 the volume of water/acid 6.) combine the water extractions and discard the seed mush (but save till you have results so the extraction can be repeated if necessary) 7.)slowly sprinkle sodium bicarbonate into the solution till it stops foaming, at this point you can add it by the spoonfull until little white rocks start to form 8.) filter out the chunks and make a dilute bicarb solution (make a saturated solution as above and add 2 volumes of water) and dribble through the filter to wash away the left over bicarb 9.) air dry the filter (away from light and heat) then scrape the crystals onto a clean mirror/ glass, you shoud get 10g of lsa, that being converted to 3-7g of lsd..
LSA to LSD: Dissolve 10 g lysergic acid amide in 200 ml methanolic potassium hydroxide solution. Remove the methanol by vacuum as soon as the amide is dissolved. Dissolve the residue which is left into 200 ml of an 8% solution of potassium hydroxide in water. Heat this mixture on a steam bath for 1 hour. Pass a steam of nitrogen gas through the flask during the heating process. (The ammonia which is evolved in the gas stream may be titrated with hydrochloric acid in order to follow the reaction.) Neutralize the mixture with tartaric acid (neutral to congo red) and run it through a filter paper. Extract the mixture with toluene in a separatory funnel. Save the water layer, discard the toluene layer. Filter the solution through a filter paper and evaporate. Upon evaporation, dry crystals of lysergic acid will be obtained.
LSD to LSD-25: 10g of lsd is added to pure 50ml thionyl chloride and stir for 30 minutes add 3g diethylamine to the solution and again stir for 30 minutes then let it sit for 5 minutes and add DH2O to the remaining thionyl chloride break and then add toluene to get the other chemicals (that are not LSD) out, repeat the purification process one more time and then evaporate in vacuum.
Isomerizating iso-LSD into the active LSD-25:
Dissolve the synthesized material into the minimum amount of ethyl alcohol. Mix a 4 Normal solution of potassium hydroxide in ethanol. The amount of solution needed is twice the volume of the iso-LSD/ethanol solution. Add the two solutions together and let the mixture sit for 4 hours at room temperature. Neutralize the mixture with dilute hydrochloric acid, then make it slightly basic with ammonium hydroxide. Extract the mixture with chloroform, sparate the chloroform layer, and extract this four times with a 25% volume of water. Evaporate the chloroform in a vacuum. Discard the water extracts. The material left after evaporation a mixture of iso-LSD and LSD-25, the active LSD predominating.
OBS: all the process shoud be done in some dark security red lightened enviroment OBS2: use a weak bluelight to see if there is some lsd on the solution before discarting
Edited by website123 (10/11/13 05:57 PM)
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website123
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18939299 - 10/06/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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is anything wrong? please tell me if there's anything wrong!(and forgive me! )
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18939366 - 10/06/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have you tested this route yourself or are you asking us if it'll work? You might also have better luck in the chemistry and pharmacology forum.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18939367 - 10/06/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't have the chemistry knowledge to tell you that it won't work, but my instinct says no.
1kg of HBWR seeds will NOT yield 150-250g LSA. That would mean the seeds were 15-25% LSA by weight.
Also, if you have to ask for help on the shroomery, you probably don't have the skills required for LSD synthesis.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18939368 - 10/06/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: SnowDaze]
#18939377 - 10/06/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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where is that recipe from?
and you know that you risk your life when you play with ergot alkaloid derivates?
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: SnowDaze]
#18939382 - 10/06/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Didn't know you could do an A/B extract for LSA. If someone confirms it works ill try it.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: SnowDaze]
#18939383 - 10/06/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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As long as you don't go eating it and use a little common sense and clean practice ergot is really not very dangerous at all.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18939399 - 10/06/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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first, im not using ergot.. second, 1kg=1000g> 1seed has 0,25g> 0,25x1000= 250 lol third, i know that im on the correct way, i want you to point in my synth the errors, thats all...
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18939411 - 10/06/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do not want you to just say that wont work! I want you to point scientifically, then I can take you into account...
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18939418 - 10/06/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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website123 said: first, im not using ergot.. second, 1kg=1000g> 1seed has 0,25g> 0,25x1000= 250 lol third, i know that im on the correct way, i want you to point in my synth the errors, thats all...
Your info is wrong. HBWR seeds contain around 0.14% LSA
So 1kg seeds would yield about 1.4g LSA
You are way off
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Edited by weilii-coyote (10/06/13 09:44 AM)
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: krypto2000]
#18939432 - 10/06/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Even Albert hoffmann accidentally poisoned himself with a semisynthetic lysergic acid derivate just by breathing some vapours that had leaked out somewhere; and he knew that it might become dangerous when the stuff has been extracted, concentrated and processed into volatile substances. I really think that breathing vapours and getting skin contact with substances can be quite a bit problematic in a LSD laboratory. some unknown by-products may not be as harmless as the aspired end product. Just saying.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: weilii-coyote]
#18939442 - 10/06/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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actualy 0.25% -----> 2,5g but in some point youre right... tnx ill fix it!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: weilii-coyote]
#18939447 - 10/06/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Interesting thread
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18939453 - 10/06/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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website123 said: actualy 0.25% -----> 2,5g but in some point youre right... tnx ill fix it!
Dude no offense but if you can't do simple maths and conversions like that, than you are going to fail miserably. That is a HUUUUGE error
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: weilii-coyote]
#18939461 - 10/06/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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website123 said: actualy 0.25% -----> 2,5g but in some point youre right... tnx ill fix it!
Dude no offense but if you can't do simple maths and conversions like that, than you are going to fail miserably. That is a HUUUUGE error
ok,ok sorry! relax bro its just a hipotesis!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18939594 - 10/06/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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im a good chemist and i think ill try it in 2014! ive already started growing wood rose xD
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18939613 - 10/06/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What's the easiest way to get thionyl chloride?
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: krypto2000]
#18939709 - 10/06/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: What's the easiest way to get thionyl chloride?
buying it... in fact.. u are only going to need 5g or a little more so u can just ask a laboratory if they could give u a sample! the only expensive thing on the list is the nitrogen
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18940003 - 10/06/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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if i was gonna make LSD i sure as hell wouldnt post about it on the internet
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: SnowDaze]
#18940716 - 10/06/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fail post! Thionyl chloride plus H20 is a fail. Thionyl chloride makes 2HCL and SO2 on contact with water!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Eywa_devotee]
#18940762 - 10/06/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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 This won't work for so many reasons. If you need a "tek" to make LSD, you don't have the skills to make LSD.
Less than a dozen small/medium scale LSD labs could feed the whole world (and a single large one). Yet LSD is hard to get a hold of. I wonder why.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: StygianKnight]
#18940858 - 10/06/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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StygianKnight said: Yet LSD is hard to get a hold of. I wonder why.
Because of drug laws and LSD has a disparate market.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: s240779]
#18941261 - 10/06/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok,ok sorry! relax bro its just a hipotesis!
As a general rule of thumb, if you cannot spell hypothesis, you'll never synthesize LSD in your bedroom.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: SnowDaze]
#18941493 - 10/06/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SnowDaze said: if i was gonna make LSD i sure as hell wouldnt post about it on the internet
for chemical purposes.. im not gonna sell it! xD maybe ill take one or a thousand.. well see!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: StygianKnight]
#18941507 - 10/06/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok,ok sorry! relax bro its just a hipotesis!
As a general rule of thumb, if you cannot spell hypothesis, you'll never synthesize LSD in your bedroom.
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 This won't work for so many reasons. If you need a "tek" to make LSD, you don't have the skills to make LSD.
Less than a dozen small/medium scale LSD labs could feed the whole world (and a single large one). Yet LSD is hard to get a hold of. I wonder why.
man, you two suck hamburgers!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Eywa_devotee]
#18941540 - 10/06/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eywa_devotee said: Fail post! Thionyl chloride plus H20 is a fail. Thionyl chloride makes 2HCL and SO2 on contact with water!

yep... trying to solve that... I've imagined that being at low temperatures it would react very slowly other thing is that we don't need all the 5g just 3,322..g so the rest is free to react with water... or do u think i should swap solvent? i thought about water because it doesn't degrades the lsd... the methanol does 
and thanks for the constructive comment!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18941548 - 10/06/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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nice try
but you are a liar or a troll sir
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18941559 - 10/06/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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still laughing...
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: SnowDaze]
#18941567 - 10/06/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SnowDaze said: nice try
but you are a liar or a troll sir
im quite serious... whats the matter? xD
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Eywa_devotee]
#18941585 - 10/06/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Eywa_devotee said: Fail post! Thionyl chloride plus H20 is a fail. Thionyl chloride makes 2HCL and SO2 on contact with water!

im most thinking about this tho: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7220008
Lysergic acid + thionyl chloride -> lysergic acid chloride + diethylamine -> LSD-25
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: SnowDaze]
#18941620 - 10/06/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yep, but I'm right. Frankly I wish I wasn't. I want home brew LSD! The secret to LSD is not the book knowledge but the lab skill, expertise and equipment.
While technically the drug war is the answer for why there's not LSD running down the streets in tubes with dripers every block. That doesn't keep shake and bake products from filling those same streets. The difficulty is the issue, combined with the low payout and those who can, don't.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: StygianKnight]
#18941662 - 10/06/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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StygianKnight said: Yep, but I'm right. Frankly I wish I wasn't. I want home brew LSD! The secret to LSD is not the book knowledge but the lab skill, expertise and equipment.
While technically the drug war is the answer for why there's not LSD running down the streets in tubes with dripers every block. That doesn't keep shake and bake products from filling those same streets. The difficulty is the issue, combined with the low payout and those who can, don't.
thanks man, really... but even if i fail, i have to try and discover this by myself, then ill learn with my errors! (even if i spend alot of cash in it! dang!)
Furthermore, there is anything in the tek i shoud fix? you look like wise about this this topic..
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18944920 - 10/07/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ethanol! thats the answer! id does not react with thonyl chloride! this, at least at low temperatures, enough time to dissolve the thionyl chloride (ive tested!) that giving time to react that mixture with lsd---> lsd-25! yay!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18944948 - 10/07/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe in you OP
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
#18945007 - 10/07/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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tnx bro! but im puzzled... every synth that i saw of making lsd in the internet does tell to heat lsa in a steam bath with KOH, and i know that lsd just starts degrading above 150ºC im afraid of losing some
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18945124 - 10/07/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't worry. With the method you propose to employ, you won't have any to lose in the first place.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Nature Boy]
#18945163 - 10/07/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: rikuni]
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
#18945286 - 10/07/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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nice! does it come with an text explaining the reactions? this would be awesome!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18945332 - 10/07/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I used to have an in-depth text on the total synthesis of lysergamides. It's available online for free somewhere.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18945501 - 10/07/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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nice! does it come with an text explaining the reactions? this would be awesome! 
That picture is from Wiccan_Seeker's image gallery, there might be more info in there if you look, gl!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18946128 - 10/07/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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nice! does it come with an text explaining the reactions? this would be awesome! 
HeeHeeHee. Hydrogen as a reducing agent at 4000 psi for 30 hours...or did you miss that?
Website123: You don't even stand a snowballs chance in Hell... Give it up and leave it to folks who know what they are doing...which you clearly DO NOT.
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nice! does it come with an text explaining the reactions? this would be awesome! 
HeeHeeHee. Hydrogen as a reducing agent at 4000psi. Or did you miss that? Website123: You don't even stand a snowballs chance in Hell... 
Give it up and leave it to folks who know what they are doing...which you clearly DO NOT.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
#18946149 - 10/07/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yep. Maybe. Most everyone else would call it being realistic. You have a chamber that can safely retain 4000 psi for 30 consecutive hours handy????
No, I didn't think so. Don't encourage this ass (or troll). Either way, you are wasting your time.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Nature Boy] 1
#18946220 - 10/07/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sharing information is a good thing. You work for the government or something N.B.?
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RocKerWasH
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: StygianKnight]
#18946429 - 10/07/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If one large lab could supply the world with all the lad the world could use, why doesn't someone go to a country with lax drug laws and supply the world. They could have a monopoly on the lad business. Then there would definitely be someone willing to smuggle it. There has to be somewhere in the world where you can easily buy all the necessary materials.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: RocKerWasH]
#18946474 - 10/07/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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RocKerWasH said: If one large lab could supply the world with all the lad the world could use, why doesn't someone go to a country with lax drug laws and supply the world. They could have a monopoly on the lad business. Then there would definitely be someone willing to smuggle it. There has to be somewhere in the world where you can easily buy all the necessary materials.
I'm guessing they already have this in china. Probably where a lot of the world's supply comes from
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: user1837483975]
#18946589 - 10/07/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Which country do you guys think it would be easiest to manufacture lsd in? Like to move there and start?
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StygianKnight
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: RocKerWasH]
#18946694 - 10/07/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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RocKerWasH said: If one large lab could supply the world with all the lad the world could use, why doesn't someone go to a country with lax drug laws and supply the world.
This is exactly what's happened with many phenylethylamines. During the 60s a single lab in Germany supplied something like 90%+ of the LSD. Then the drug war started.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
#18948192 - 10/08/13 05:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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MystiqueMushroom said: Sharing information is a good thing. You work for the government or something N.B.?
It's one thing to share information. It's another thing the share a near-impossible synthesis route with a complete rube and encourage him to attempt it. That is the very definition of utter futility.
FWIW, a few thousand folks on this board have successfully extracted their own DMT thanks to my help. What contribution (other than snide remarks) have YOU made lately. Yeah...thought so.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Nature Boy]
#18948305 - 10/08/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i would help you OP but u seem to have no idea what you are doing. continue to read the synthesis online and read organic chemistry books, you are clearly just copying pasteing things you dont have a clue. you keep refering to the lysergic acid as LSD. plus you need some diethylamine somewhere there and probably some column chromatography work...maybe not. i think what you are trying to do is replicate shulgins formula? with HBRW instead of ET which is fine. but please keep reading and not post hypothesis synthesis that are just crap. do it when ur ready and we'll help.
Lsd is not difficult to make, yes u need skills and basic labware. dont let people put u off, u just need passion and dedication for what u r doing. anyone say otherwise they just have no clue when it comes to organic synthesis and they repeat stuff they read by others. plus this forum is not the best because we dont have many chemists in here that could help you
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Nature Boy]
#18949352 - 10/08/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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nice! does it come with an text explaining the reactions? this would be awesome! 
HeeHeeHee. Hydrogen as a reducing agent at 4000 psi for 30 hours...or did you miss that?
Website123: You don't even stand a snowballs chance in Hell... Give it up and leave it to folks who know what they are doing...which you clearly DO NOT.
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sorry, bad vibes will not change my mind! i want someone to show "chemically talking" where am i wrong!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Nature Boy]
#18949368 - 10/08/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said:
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MystiqueMushroom said: Sharing information is a good thing. You work for the government or something N.B.?
It's one thing to share information. It's another thing the share a near-impossible synthesis route with a complete rube and encourage him to attempt it. That is the very definition of utter futility.
FWIW, a few thousand folks on this board have successfully extracted their own DMT thanks to my help. What contribution (other than snide remarks) have YOU made lately. Yeah...thought so.
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u are an ass! .-.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18949418 - 10/08/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know absolutely nothing about synthesizing LSD, but I would take these guys' advice and just give up. Or take alot of chemistry classes.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: l33t]
#18949428 - 10/08/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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l33t said: i would help you OP but u seem to have no idea what you are doing. continue to read the synthesis online and read organic chemistry books, you are clearly just copying pasteing things you dont have a clue. you keep refering to the lysergic acid as LSD. plus you need some diethylamine somewhere there and probably some column chromatography work...maybe not. i think what you are trying to do is replicate shulgins formula? with HBRW instead of ET which is fine. but please keep reading and not post hypothesis synthesis that are just crap. do it when ur ready and we'll help.
Lsd is not difficult to make, yes u need skills and basic labware. dont let people put u off, u just need passion and dedication for what u r doing. anyone say otherwise they just have no clue when it comes to organic synthesis and they repeat stuff they read by others. plus this forum is not the best because we dont have many chemists in here that could help you
im not copying, ive already read and agreed with the part where he transform LSA into LSD, but adding diethylamine is preety out of way (its a dangerous process tho) for an easy synth, as the topic name! so ive simple used thionyl chloride, that has the same results! im in a good college and i understand alot of chemistry! been doig it a long time, and will not stop for anyone! if i succeed in that synth ill be very proud of my skills, and if i fail ill learn with it! so please... if u are the man that gonna help me solve this, please do it! i promise ill get what u gonna say, just say it to me... lest get into a point here!!
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website123
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: DeeBee]
#18949434 - 10/08/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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DeeBee said: I know absolutely nothing about synthesizing LSD, but I would take these guys' advice and just give up. Or take alot of chemistry classes.
im already taking classes! the professor thinks that im a genius! xDD
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18949447 - 10/08/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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website123 said: the professor thinks that im a genius! xDD
Your professor thinking you are good at chemistry and trying to make lsd are two completely different things.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: DeeBee]
#18949456 - 10/08/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your professor thinking you are good at chemistry and trying to make lsd are two completely different things.
yep i know!  but lately these days im so fascinated about albert hofmann's work... i want so much to do it! you have no idea!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18949460 - 10/08/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good luck to you! Just remember there are no grades in the real world...
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: DeeBee]
#18949499 - 10/08/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: rikuni]
#18949531 - 10/08/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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and remember that in real world there is the fbi, nsa and your local police out to bust your ass
im not going to sell it! remember that if i succeed ill get 3000 to 7000 doses... that can hold me for a good 12 to 20 years xDD
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18949574 - 10/08/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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3000 doses in 20 years is a tab every other day...Still sure you're ready to make LSD?
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18949594 - 10/08/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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website123
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: DeeBee]
#18949595 - 10/08/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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DeeBee said: 3000 doses in 20 years is a tab every other day...Still sure you're ready to make LSD?
im just kidding!!!! haha im not that crazy man!!! but u got it! lsd for my whole life practically!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18949600 - 10/08/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: rikuni]
#18949612 - 10/08/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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grind seeds, extract with anhydrous acetone 3 times, evaporate to dryness; add solution of distilled water with tartaric acid to make LSA tartarate, defat 2 times with Toluene and discard the Toluene, freebase with ammonia then extract with DCM 3 times; evaporate the DCM to leave dry powder then add distilled water plus a small amount of 75% ethanol with a little tartaric acid to give a nice solution of LSA tartrate.
here a new extraction ive found more suitable, but more expensive too!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: rikuni]
#18949616 - 10/08/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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im just kidding!!!! haha im not that crazy man!!! but u got it! lsd for my whole life practically!
well I would like to do the synthesis too but right now i dont know where to get for example the diethylamine..
do u even read my synth?( i didnt use diethylamine).-.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123] 1
#18949773 - 10/08/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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u are an ass! .-.
But I'm also RIGHT. You are clueless - and more likely than not, a troll. So clueless that even when attempting to interpret a simple ass fucking FLOW CHART you fail to see the absolute bar to the methodology you propse which is in STEP ONE.
You have NO CHANCE whatsoever of success with your limited understanding. NONE. Like I said before - leave it to the folks who know what they are doing. Invest a few bucks and buy their product instead of trying to enter a realm about which you know less than nothing, and where a mistake (such as your idiotic math error early in this thread) could hurt yourself or others.
There is no room for carelessness, ignorance or mistakes when it comes to manufacturing human consumable products. You and your ignorance are a danger to yourself and others, so give it up and do something within your capabilities, like being a cashier at Burger King.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: rikuni]
#18949788 - 10/08/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rikuni said: I would like to use some established method if I would try it. curtis reaction is fine and some fract. crystal then. theres some diethylamine needed.
im not saying mine is the most stable, but the most easy.. at least if you know a synth that is even more easy please show us! and nope. diethylamine is too dangerous and hard to deal.. instead: Lysergic acid + thionyl chloride -> lysergic acid chloride + diethylamine -> LSD-25
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Nature Boy]
#18949813 - 10/08/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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But I'm also RIGHT. You are clueless - and more likely than not, a troll. So clueless that even when attempting to interpret a simple ass fucking FLOW CHART you fail to see the absolute bar to the methodology you propse which is in STEP ONE.
You have NO CHANCE whatsoever of success with your limited understanding. NONE. Like I said before - leave it to the folks who know what they are doing. Invest a few bucks and buy their product instead of trying to enter a realm about which you know less than nothing, and where a mistake (such as your idiotic math error early in this thread) could hurt yourself or others.
There is no room for carelessness, ignorance or mistakes when it comes to manufacturing human consumable products. You and your ignorance are a danger to yourself and others, so give it up and do something within your capabilities, like being a cashier at Burger King.
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so tell me where the fuck am i wrong!!! ill fix it i promise! but ill not fucking give up,damit!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18949923 - 10/08/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree with nature boy (except that he could have been a bit more polite, but you two seem to have few sympathies, however). You may try that in 15 or 20 years when you´re a graduated chemist and have earned a little fortune to invest in that project. And you need some fine analytical hardware to check on purity and to ascertain that the end product is not a deadly poison. very expensive and impossible to get for a (normal) private person.
but thumps up for your enthusiasm.
maybe try it with something thats a bit easier for the start? I mean LSD is the royal leage...
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Rauhfasertapete]
#18950009 - 10/08/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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sry but still, ill not give up! im a mulish ass!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Rauhfasertapete]
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: rikuni]
#18950485 - 10/08/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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no, you can get a real lab to do this work for you. I know thats possible.
its pretty expensive... better use a bluelight and some sense... you will get practically the same results!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
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no, you can get a real lab to do this work for you. I know thats possible.
its pretty expensive... better use a bluelight and some sense... you will get practically the same results!
You do know that LSA glows under a blacklight just like LSD, right? If that's your metric for measuring success then you might as well just extract your seeds and declare victory. You'll still trip.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#18950775 - 10/08/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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no man... think bigger! the cromatographi is just to you to see the iso-LSD you be sure there is no or almost no iso-LSD by isomerating repeated times! and the LSD-25 can be distinguished just by shaking it in the dark it will produce little sparks of light! the bluelight is just for seeing if you left any LSA(or LSD or iso-LSD) in your used beckers
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18951997 - 10/08/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like it man, keep on truck in'. And if you succeed and it tested to be pure lsd pm me for my po box:)
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18954887 - 10/09/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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website123 said: so tell me where the fuck am i wrong!!! ill fix it i promise! but ill not fucking give up,damit!
Wow. That's SO easy.
You are wrong in even thinking that someone such as yourself - with the most rudimentary (read NONE) understanding of organic chemistry can succeed in pulling off a complicated synthesis with impossible to obtain watched materials. You don't even seem capable of understanding the difference between LSA tartrate and diethylamine!!!!!! Wow...just, wow. 
You cannot pull off the synthesis of a molecule like LSD just by following steps as in a cookbook. Things WILL go wrong. Now what??? Because you have no in-depth working understanding of organic chemistry principles, you are DOOMED to failure. DOOMED. For God's sake, you've demonstrated an inability to even do simple math!!! How are you going to do all the requisite volume calculations, concentrations, adjust your reagent masses?
The notion that you could pull this off is laughable. THAT is where you are MOST wrong. And that's just for starters.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Nature Boy]
#18955028 - 10/09/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Unfortunately I have to agree with NB above me. I myself have no knowledge on how to actually synthesize LSD, but from the reading I've done in the last few months I DO know that you need:
1. Very expensive lab equipment 2. Very hard to acquire chemicals 3. A very strong background in organic chemistry
I have no doubt in your will and drive to accomplish this, but please understand that this isn't something you can just decide to do overnight. There's plenty of reasons why LSD is hard to come by. It isn't meth, you can't just make it with stuff you buy at wal-mart, and by following a recipe you found online. You need to fully understand every single step. Again, I applaud your enthusiasm, but seriously, take your time and get a VERY GOOD grasp on what you're dealing with before jumping in head first.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Enslyn]
#18955044 - 10/09/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If I might unwelcomingly chime in, the class of drugs you are trying to do a conversion from one to the other in contains chemicals that cause gangrene, vasoconstriction, and abortions. Just saying.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#18955076 - 10/09/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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A long time ago I was interested in making LSD. I read alot of articles on how to make it. The only ones that seemed legit to me were beyond my comprehension. One thing I read said that synthesis should only be attempted by an experienced chemist in a fully equipped laboratory.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: AmongUs]
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This thread does make me think of something. I remember when I used to take acid I took some that was speedy and had more negative effects than normal. I still tripped and it was alot like acid but it had an edge to it that I didn't care for. A friend of mine explained these negative effects by saying it was "bathtub acid". Does anybody know what he was talking about?
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: AmongUs]
#18955136 - 10/09/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea it was probably an RC
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Enslyn]
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sorry man... no way ill hear you that way... fist learn about it...
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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this is ergot! (im not using it) .-. thats the third time i say that! read the posts please!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Nature Boy]
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website123 said: so tell me where the fuck am i wrong!!! ill fix it i promise! but ill not fucking give up,damit!
Wow. That's SO easy.
You are wrong in even thinking that someone such as yourself - with the most rudimentary (read NONE) understanding of organic chemistry can succeed in pulling off a complicated synthesis with impossible to obtain watched materials. You don't even seem capable of understanding the difference between LSA tartrate and diethylamine!!!!!! Wow...just, wow. 
You cannot pull off the synthesis of a molecule like LSD just by following steps as in a cookbook. Things WILL go wrong. Now what??? Because you have no in-depth working understanding of organic chemistry principles, you are DOOMED to failure. DOOMED. For God's sake, you've demonstrated an inability to even do simple math!!! How are you going to do all the requisite volume calculations, concentrations, adjust your reagent masses?
The notion that you could pull this off is laughable. THAT is where you are MOST wrong. And that's just for starters.
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ive told you already that i know alot.. if you dont believe me just forget about this topic.. what im searching of is a wise man, not a sofist! and just to clarify... diethylamine has none to do with tartaric acid... i dont know why you said that, thats just stupid .-.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
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N.B. just hating cause he never achieved any of his dreams.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
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this is ergot! (im not using it) .-. thats the third time i say that! read the posts please!
Class of drugs is what I said. I was not talking about ergot. Ergot is a fungus, it is not a chemical compound. Ergot does contain a host of different chemicals that can cause all of these things, and there are many other similar chemicals also cause these effects as well. When Hoffman discovered LSD, he was doing research on such chemicals' usefulness in preventing bleeding, since they cause vasoconstriction, which can completely block off blood flow to your extremities, among other things. It's only by some sort of universal benevolence that LSD's as safe as it is. Lots of other similar chemicals aren't. Ones that you have no idea of determining if you've made or not.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Parafaragaramus]
#18955969 - 10/09/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dichloromethane is the solvent you wanna use. However I don't think they're gonna react the way you think they will. Synthesizing diethylamine yourself from DEET and using a peptide coupling reagent are your best bet. This could actually be done but is gonna cost you $50,000 to get started. At that cost and the extra steps as well as lower yield the old methods are superior. of course I have no idea what I'm talking about.
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MystiqueMushroom said: N.B. just hating cause he never achieved any of his dreams.
Nahh he just had to take joe Molly's place as the realist, and brutally grounds us. I like the contrast the airy fairy love shit gives me a headache sometimes;" I must also have a dark side to be hole" -C.G. Jung
OP: I've herd LSA to lsd teks before, I'm sure it's a myth...
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Lucid Toast]
#18957203 - 10/09/13 11:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ohh yea whatever happened to Joe Molly??
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Enslyn]
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Enslyn said: I myself have no knowledge on how to actually synthesize LSD, but from the reading I've done in the last few months I DO know that you need:
1. Very expensive lab equipment 2. Very hard to acquire chemicals 3. A very strong background in organic chemistry
I think this is true for one out of three items on this list. 
The real most trouble I think would be getting the lysergic acid isolation. Lucky for us people have been doing this for a hundred+ years and they wrote down how they did it. I think with patience and dedication the average, literate joe could synthesize LSD. More difficult undertakings have happened. I am sure that more than a few people that post or lurk this forum have the capacities to run this start to finish, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn a handful of them have actually done it.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18957233 - 10/09/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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this is ergot! (im not using it) .-. thats the third time i say that! read the posts please!
firstly your an idiot, there are more alkaloids in hbwr than lsa and they are all ergot alkaloids. unfortunately i think if you try this you're going to die.... ohwell
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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this is ergot! (im not using it) .-. thats the third time i say that! read the posts please!
Class of drugs is what I said. I was not talking about ergot. Ergot is a fungus, it is not a chemical compound. Ergot does contain a host of different chemicals that can cause all of these things, and there are many other similar chemicals also cause these effects as well. When Hoffman discovered LSD, he was doing research on such chemicals' usefulness in preventing bleeding, since they cause vasoconstriction, which can completely block off blood flow to your extremities, among other things. It's only by some sort of universal benevolence that LSD's as safe as it is. Lots of other similar chemicals aren't. Ones that you have no idea of determining if you've made or not.
oh, thats.... well... thanks for the info.. i really dont know that other toxins that we can make  they arent all discovered yet?
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: D.M.T]
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D.M.T said: Dichloromethane is the solvent you wanna use. However I don't think they're gonna react the way you think they will. Synthesizing diethylamine yourself from DEET and using a peptide coupling reagent are your best bet. This could actually be done but is gonna cost you $50,000 to get started. At that cost and the extra steps as well as lower yield the old methods are superior. of course I have no idea what I'm talking about. 
thanks! done a search and you are right,ill fix the synth.. just that im not going to buy 50000 in equipment... my synth costs aroung 400-800 dollars, the most expencive thing is the lsa from argyrea that in my case will cost like nothing because i am growing 13m of it in my meadow house
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
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this is ergot! (im not using it) .-. thats the third time i say that! read the posts please!
Class of drugs is what I said. I was not talking about ergot. Ergot is a fungus, it is not a chemical compound. Ergot does contain a host of different chemicals that can cause all of these things, and there are many other similar chemicals also cause these effects as well. When Hoffman discovered LSD, he was doing research on such chemicals' usefulness in preventing bleeding, since they cause vasoconstriction, which can completely block off blood flow to your extremities, among other things. It's only by some sort of universal benevolence that LSD's as safe as it is. Lots of other similar chemicals aren't. Ones that you have no idea of determining if you've made or not.
oh, thats.... well... thanks for the info.. i really dont know that other toxins that we can make  they arent all discovered yet?
There's an uncounted multitude of things we haven't discovered yet. The universe is awesome.

Sorry we're all being buzz kills. Hope you get to where you want to go, you can get there if you keep learning and applying yourself. Just make sure you can verify you've done right before you eat anything...
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#18959378 - 10/10/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I still believe in you website123
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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Sorry we're all being buzz kills. Hope you get to where you want to go, you can get there if you keep learning and applying yourself. Just make sure you can verify you've done right before you eat anything...
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18959662 - 10/10/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh, thats.... well... thanks for the info.. i really dont know that other toxins that we can make  they arent all discovered yet?
I´m following this thread because it´s always good for a laugh. website 123, you have some huge gaps in your knowledge. Didn´t you know that the identification and description of the ergot alkaloids and their derivates were the original purpose of Hofmann´s research? He kept his stuff under strict absence of air because he didn´t know what the vapours could to to him; also in order to keep it from degrading. Really, don´t do that. You´ll get caught buying laboratory equipment, which is suspicious as you´re a private person (the DEA may think you´re into amphetamines or something). Or you´ll inhale something really shitty. The safety precautions for such a project are already more expensive than your 400 to 800$. You need a laboratory and one or two decades of experience.
By the way, do you grow the plants in a greenhouse or in a garden? Had any yield yet? It may take a few years to get a kg from a few plants, and if you´ve got that much LSA, what´s the point in making LSD from them? A clean extraction of LSA and a separation from all those substances that cause the nasty side effects would be an interesting thing... but I guess separating different very similar alkaloids from each other is already a bit too tricky...
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thanks! done a search and you are right,ill fix the synth.. just that im not going to buy 50000 in equipment... my synth costs aroung 400-800 dollars, the most expencive thing is the lsa from argyrea that in my case will cost like nothing because i am growing 13m of it in my meadow house 
ooooowww ow ow! no way! Dichloromethane will degrade LSD! in fact both of us are wrong... i shoud use a NOCl and ethanol in this case Cl will evaporate and not degrade the LSD...
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Rauhfasertapete]
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: rikuni]
#18959833 - 10/10/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh, thats.... well... thanks for the info.. i really dont know that other toxins that we can make  they arent all discovered yet?
I´m following this thread because it´s always good for a laugh. website 123, you have some huge gaps in your knowledge. Didn´t you know that the identification and description of the ergot alkaloids and their derivates were the original purpose of Hofmann´s research? He kept his stuff under strict absence of air because he didn´t know what the vapours could to to him; also in order to keep it from degrading. Really, don´t do that. You´ll get caught buying laboratory equipment, which is suspicious as you´re a private person (the DEA may think you´re into amphetamines or something). Or you´ll inhale something really shitty. The safety precautions for such a project are already more expensive than your 400 to 800$. You need a laboratory and one or two decades of experience.
By the way, do you grow the plants in a greenhouse or in a garden? Had any yield yet? It may take a few years to get a kg from a few plants, and if you´ve got that much LSA, what´s the point in making LSD from them? A clean extraction of LSA and a separation from all those substances that cause the nasty side effects would be an interesting thing... but I guess separating different very similar alkaloids from each other is already a bit too tricky...
see there, ive changed it... its safer now of course thet when dealing with nytrosyl chloride you shoud use a closed fume screen...
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: rikuni]
#18959839 - 10/10/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually I´d even prefer LSA over LSD if the side-effects weren´t so horrible. Hey website 123, have you found any viable method to get you LSA pure? I mean not just getting an alkaloid-extract, but a solution with only LSA in it?
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
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I´m following this thread because it´s always good for a laugh. website 123, you have some huge gaps in your knowledge. Didn´t you know that the identification and description of the ergot alkaloids and their derivates were the original purpose of Hofmann´s research? He kept his stuff under strict absence of air because he didn´t know what the vapours could to to him; also in order to keep it from degrading. Really, don´t do that. You´ll get caught buying laboratory equipment, which is suspicious as you´re a private person (the DEA may think you´re into amphetamines or something). Or you´ll inhale something really shitty. The safety precautions for such a project are already more expensive than your 400 to 800$. You need a laboratory and one or two decades of experience.
in fact ive said that it is easy, not to anyone do it in the kitchen i have a laboratory(not complete yet ) in my home and ill use some safe mask, safe gloves and a closed fume screen
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Rauhfasertapete]
#18959865 - 10/10/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rauhfasertapete said: Actually I´d even prefer LSA over LSD if the side-effects weren´t so horrible. Hey website 123, have you found any viable method to get you LSA pure? I mean not just getting an alkaloid-extract, but a solution with only LSA in it?
sure man, 95% pure shoud work... look at the synth... thats what ive made there, only then I could work with it and the process that ur talking about is called defating
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
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Just a thought but you could try asking your professor in a hypothetical manner what he thinks might work (if he isn't a total square - you don't want him to report you of course). Heck he might even give you a hand and let you use his lab space (this would be a LOT more safer I think). A lot more research needs to be done. Try doing more simple things like converting 2C-I to 25I-NBOMe first, you could probably do that in your kitchen and cheap, then work your way up making a better understanding.
The thing about attempting all of this is you stir too long, too little, and you get a toxic sludge. Can't control the air, temperature, lighing just perfectly, then you could very well go ka-boom. Don't give up on the idea though we need more people to be dedicated enough to the cause.
Personally I think you should strip the home lab idea altogether not only because of the dangers but because you've posted about it on a public forum. Hopefully you're hidden deep in proxies and other anonymity.
LSA to LSD probably won't get you the purity ergotamine tartrate will. But I don't see why DEET > Diethylamine + PyPOB wouldn't be able to yield LSD.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: D.M.T]
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Sounds like your following the 'Method X' synthesis remember this is only theoretical and hasn't been proven to work (as far as I'm aware). To my knowledge there are people that are attempting this to see if it is possible. I have no chemistry background so I can't help.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: D.M.T]
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D.M.T said: Just a thought but you could try asking your professor in a hypothetical manner what he thinks might work (if he isn't a total square - you don't want him to report you of course). Heck he might even give you a hand and let you use his lab space (this would be a LOT more safer I think). A lot more research needs to be done. Try doing more simple things like converting 2C-I to 25I-NBOMe first, you could probably do that in your kitchen and cheap, then work your way up making a better understanding.
ive done alod of extractions, from psylocin to menthol, dont know if that counts 
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The thing about attempting all of this is you stir too long, too little, and you get a toxic sludge. Can't control the air, temperature, lighing just perfectly, then you could very well go ka-boom. Don't give up on the idea though we need more people to be dedicated enough to the cause.
Personally I think you should strip the home lab idea altogether not only because of the dangers but because you've posted about it on a public forum. Hopefully you're hidden deep in proxies and other anonymity.
relax man, i have my ways! 
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uhm... the "Method X" huh? they say it wont work... but, look where we are, right? it could fit perfectly if we coud get that aromatic ring away... any ideas?
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
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sure man, 95% pure shoud work... look at the synth... thats what ive made there, only then I could work with it and the process that ur talking about is called defating
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Rauhfasertapete said: Actually I´d even prefer LSA over LSD if the side-effects weren´t so horrible. Hey website 123, have you found any viable method to get you LSA pure? I mean not just getting an alkaloid-extract, but a solution with only LSA in it?
sure man, 95% pure shoud work... look at the synth... thats what ive made there, only then I could work with it and the process that ur talking about is called defating
No, defatting is not what I mean. With your acid base extraction you extract not only all the different alkaloids of the plant, but almost everything that is alkaline. LSA may be among the main alkaloids of the plant, but there are some more, and you will extract them as well with your method. I dont think you can use that juice to make anything pure from it. Imagine what happens with those other alkaloids when you proceed with the process? You may turn a lot of different unknown substances in something that is even more unknown. You need to find some kind of fractioning method or something.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: modern.shaman]
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modern.shaman said: Sounds like your following the 'Method X' synthesis remember this is only theoretical and hasn't been proven to work (as far as I'm aware). To my knowledge there are people that are attempting this to see if it is possible. I have no chemistry background so I can't help.
"Method X", eh? You mean there's a name to it? and here I was thinking I was being innovative.
I googled it.. Not quite what I was thinking, you could definitely kill yourself doing it this "Uncle Fester" dude's way. it could work still I think..there's flaws.. BUT
I did some further Googling however and found it HAS been done in the same vein as what I was going for, check this out, he even uses Dichloromethane as a solvent per my suggestion:
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2.80 grams of lysergic acid was added to 100 ml of magnetically stirring CH2Cl2. To this was added 1.81 grams di-N-ethyl-mono-N-methylamine and the solution was allowed to stir for five minutes. Then 5.70 grams of PyPOB was added and the solution was allowed to stir for an additional five minutes. Then 0.84 grams of diethylamine was added and the reaction was allowed to stir at RT for 60 minutes.
The reaction mixture was quenched with 100 ml of 7.5M concentrated NH4OH, the layers were separated and the aqueous phase was then thrice extracted with 30 ml CH2Cl2, the organic layers were combined and rotary evaporated at 35°C under high vacuum.
The residue was dissolved in 40 ml of cold saturated NaHCO3 and extracted thrice with 20 ml EtOAc, the organic layers were combined and washed with deionized H2O, brine, and then dried over MgSO4, filtered and rotary evaporated at 40°C under high vacuum to a constant weight. Yield 3.13 grams before chromatography, 93%.
Another run of 5.12 grams lysergic acid with the same amines, equivalents, and times, yielded 5.55 grams after chromatography, 90%.
Still you are going to need to synth diethylamine from DEET. Not sure of a way around that.
also turns out the guy who did that TEK was arrested right after. he had a nice looking lab in his own home as well: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/southern_counties/4362841.stm
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: D.M.T]
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Still you are going to need to synth diethylamine from DEET. Not sure of a way around that.
also turns out the guy who did that TEK was arrested right after. he had a nice looking lab in his own home as well: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/southern_counties/4362841.stm
maaan... that looks fucking serious!  dont forget that everything that we are talking about here is mere hypothesis!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Rauhfasertapete]
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Rauhfasertapete said: Actually I´d even prefer LSA over LSD if the side-effects weren´t so horrible. Hey website 123, have you found any viable method to get you LSA pure? I mean not just getting an alkaloid-extract, but a solution with only LSA in it?
sure man, 95% pure shoud work... look at the synth... thats what ive made there, only then I could work with it and the process that ur talking about is called defating
No, defatting is not what I mean. With your acid base extraction you extract not only all the different alkaloids of the plant, but almost everything that is alkaline. LSA may be among the main alkaloids of the plant, but there are some more, and you will extract them as well with your method. I dont think you can use that juice to make anything pure from it. Imagine what happens with those other alkaloids when you proceed with the process? You may turn a lot of different unknown substances in something that is even more unknown. You need to find some kind of fractioning method or something.
i dont know if ur aware of that but.. defating is not only getting out the fat but alot of other organics too! and when LSD is basic, it is soluble in almost any solvent but acid it is more difficult to dilute.. so in my extraction i mix it with tartaric acid and put some toluene... that getting off the majority of the problem alkaloids! pleasse, if you want to know more about it see LSD chromatography
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18960693 - 10/10/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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yes but looks a lot safer and less flaws to make than "Method X". I'm surprised the guy from the tek I posted was able to get in the 90s of purity. 3 to 5 grams yield - not that bad at all. I was thinking the purity range would be more in the 75-85% range with an LSA>LSD tek. geez just think about Owsley and Pickard pulling kilograms of LSD though.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18961135 - 10/10/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I´m aware that defatting means to get rid of everything that is soluble in nonpolar solvent. Alkaloids are usually soluble in nonpolar solvents too. So the toluene washing would be the first step where you fail.
I don´t know much about chemistry, but I can´t see how you get the LSA separated from anything in that recipe. You´ve got to read about how to do a proper acid base extraction with a defatting step. After having succeeded with that, you´ve got a mixture of different alkaloids, but still don´t know how to separate the LSA from the others. That´s the point where it gets expensive.
Edit: Now I´ve just seen that the order of adding toluene and tartaric acid is wrong in your recipe. But having read your last post, I can assume you at least have an idea about the extraction. But its still a dirty soup.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: Rauhfasertapete]
#18961165 - 10/10/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: modern.shaman]
#18962621 - 10/11/13 04:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: rikuni]
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I don´t know much about chemistry, but I can´t see how you get the LSA separated from anything in that recipe
bro thats a prob you have to use the right solvent/ chemical for the right purpose to get the desired result
Hallelujah!!!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18964047 - 10/11/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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man, ive done alot of research and what i have to do is complete this equation: DEET+???--->some solvent+secondary amine(dimethylamine)suspended then i coud just add the LSD to stay in DEET while the reaction occurs!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18964538 - 10/11/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Search "OTC Hydrolysis of DEET"
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: D.M.T]
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D.M.T said: Just a thought but you could try asking your professor in a hypothetical manner what he thinks might work (if he isn't a total square - you don't want him to report you of course). Heck he might even give you a hand and let you use his lab space (this would be a LOT more safer I think). A lot more research needs to be done.
ive talk'd to him and he said(as i thought) that LSA degrades only above 150ºC, but probably i will lose 1g of it while doing the whole process and that if done the right way, can 1g of LSA--> 1g of LSD-25 so technically my math is almost correct, it shoud give some 7g if i do it right other thing he said is that good part of my synth is correct, just the LSD to LSD-25 part is wrong and i shoud use DEET as a percursor for diethylamine, using Cl to separate the aromatic ring!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: modern.shaman]
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modern.shaman said: Search "OTC Hydrolysis of DEET"
perfect!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18965012 - 10/11/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ive discovered my first errors... but im glad to say that now the synth is complete! so unfortunately you will spend like 1000 dollars, but you will get a million! xDDD not me.. aint gonna sell it nigga!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18965055 - 10/11/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Let's see if you can actually do it now
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: user1837483975]
#18965110 - 10/11/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Canberra said: Let's see if you can actually do it now 
unfortunately you shoud use diethylamine ive beeing studying a way over it.. but theres none, but im glat that i made it easy to understand and to make! yay!
and for who thinks is suspicious just use that: distilation of DEET to diethylamine. 1) Mix DEET with an excess of 10-20% aqueous NaOH. 2) Distill, collect the distillate in dilute HCl. 3) Evaporate HCl to get diethylamine hydrochloride. 4) Add NaOH until PH7 to get pure diethylamine
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: RocKerWasH]
#18965189 - 10/11/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Deffinitly in Europe! they dont give a flying fuck out there. The Netherlands would probably be super low key. They have some great sass molly out there. mmmmmm
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: MistaToast]
#18967476 - 10/12/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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we could just get the 2-bromo from 2-bromo lysergic acid diethylamide that is a treatment for alcoholism, you could get this as easy busy! its known as non hallucinogen LSD...
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18967704 - 10/12/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, um, this thread should be moved into the trash.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: GreySatyr]
#18968148 - 10/12/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Few things and thoughts.... The first is why the heck are you posting about it, do your own research, read books get knowledge... You can get arrested and put to jail only for conspiring to manufacture LSD!
Second is to the guys on the forum How can we know he is not a cop trying to see who really digs the subject and understands way to much?!
Well good luck OP any wayz funny thread
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: dstark]
#18969499 - 10/12/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because everyone and there mom talks about making it or how it's made and no one does it. Why are we all on here talking about growing mushrooms? Are you worried about asking questions about illegal things out in public? A cop's just as likely to overhear you and care enough to follow you home and stalk you for weeks on end until he can catch you with a bag of weed. There's much more low hanging fruit out there.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: krypto2000]
#18969685 - 10/12/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Because everyone and there mom talks about making it or how it's made and no one does it. Why are we all on here talking about growing mushrooms? Are you worried about asking questions about illegal things out in public? A cop's just as likely to overhear you and care enough to follow you home and stalk you for weeks on end until he can catch you with a bag of weed. There's much more low hanging fruit out there.
well said!
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: website123]
#18970123 - 10/12/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LSD is something bigger than mushroom growing... If the DEA so desires and will be sure you really going for it there is enough said here to get a warrant.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: dstark]
#18970506 - 10/12/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If the DEA is reading this I'm sure they've consulted their scientists who are laughing their ass off wiping a tear saying "wow these guys are a bunch of fucking retards who don't know shit about chemistry"
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: dstark]
#18971397 - 10/13/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe in a murder case if someone specifically posted in detail about planning or comitting a murder a forum post alone would be enough for a warrent, but not talking generally about synthesizing drugs. Hell, there's plenty more people probably talking about how to build nuclear explosives out there simply because they want to learn how to do it and how it works, a lot of people are interested in things like this simply for curiousities sake and have no intentions to do anything with the information. The *very* worst case you get put on some nsa watch list to be used later on if someone actually gets a reason to look at you they'd have a record of possible sources from the past. Even that I would not worried about. I bet you no one in this thread will ever even attempt to make lsd, it's simply a common topic, especially on drug related forums.
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: krypto2000]
#18972385 - 10/13/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ah shit man you said murder on a drug forum. If they weren't watching now they are. Now they're gonna track us all down for conspiracy to commit murder and LSD manufacture. ill see you all in switzerland...
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Re: LSD <--- improving the synthesis and doing it eazy!!! [Re: D.M.T]
#18977197 - 10/14/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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D.M.T said: Ah shit man you said murder on a drug forum. If they weren't watching now they are. Now they're gonna track us all down for conspiracy to commit murder and LSD manufacture. ill see you all in switzerland...
man, just shut up! '-' ur talking crap...
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