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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18951650 - 10/08/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Hey, man--doctors tell patients to quit smoking all the time. Does that make them busybodies? He's the Minister of Health, not your next door neighbor. I think he's qualified to speak on the matter and discouraging smoking is kind of in his wheelhouse.

Artificial inflation is the name of the game. Perceived value is what determines a "going rate". Monetary value is the abstract association of how much energy a population is willing to trade for a commodity. If you want a product to go down in price, get yourself and at least several thousand others in your area to quit buying it. It's supply and demand. Pushers/governments know that peddling a physically addictive substance will reliably produce repeat customers. The government wants its cut for what's being sold on its territory. If you're not interested in participating in that, well, I guess it's time to quit. 




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There's no appeasement between me and busy body assholes




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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18951673 - 10/08/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I still don't see how the Minister of Health qualifies as a busybody asshole if he's telling people they shouldn't smoke because it's bad for your health.


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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: BittrBuffalo]
    #18951850 - 10/08/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I still don't see how the Minister of Health qualifies as a busybody asshole if he's telling people they shouldn't smoke because it's bad for your health.




And creating an artificial surcharge for cigarettes, like a busybody asshole.


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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18952040 - 10/08/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's all an artificial imposition, money is an idea that has no inherent value, man...

So essentially, he's telling you what you don't want to hear and taking advantage of your addiction by raising the prices of your substance of choice? If you were Irish, that is...:grin:


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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: BittrBuffalo]
    #18952318 - 10/08/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's all an artificial imposition, money is an idea that has no inherent value, man...

So essentially, he's telling you what you don't want to hear and taking advantage of your addiction by raising the prices of your substance of choice? If you were Irish, that is...:grin:




You falsely assume that I'm a smoker. Money is not an idea, it is a form of currency with relative value to actual commodities which people have to work for - trading time from their already short lives.

He's not telling me what I don't want to hear, he's robbing people by imposing arbitrary taxes under the guise of "helping" his victims. No one wants his help, go ask smokers how much they want his help.

Busy body assholes like the men behind that "tobacco free plan" make me sick, they're the bane of humanity.


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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18954837 - 10/09/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Given the massive amount of money tobacco usage costs the state in medical expenses and given that tobacco products cost pennies to produce I think it is fitting that it is heavily taxed


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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Spiderbaby]
    #18954929 - 10/09/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Given the massive amount of money tobacco usage costs the state in medical expenses and given that tobacco products cost pennies to produce I think it is fitting that it is heavily taxed




What about food? Heart disease is running rampant, should fat people and the out of shape be taxed heavily for their food or just everyone?


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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18954957 - 10/09/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That's the thing tobacco is a drug people don't really need so it's easy to tax that but food is necessary so taxing it heavily would be unfair. You could argue that unhealthy foods could be taxed heavily but many unhealthy foods are only unhealthy if eaten as part of an unhealthy diet and lifestyle.

So it would probably be the most fair to everyone to just heavily fine fat people who are out of shape. Also the parents of fat children should be fined heavily depending on how fat their children are.


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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Spiderbaby]
    #18955040 - 10/09/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Alternately they could mind their own business and let smokers buy their cigarettes for reasonable prices.


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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18955055 - 10/09/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

And let who decide what prices are reasonable, tobacco companies? :curbyourenthusiasm:


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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Spiderbaby]
    #18955188 - 10/09/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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And let who decide what prices are reasonable, tobacco companies? :curbyourenthusiasm:




That's far more reasonable price wise than the tobacco companies + heavy arbitrary government taxes.

This is a prime example of why I don't care about people and their liberties anymore, or any "injustices" which befall humanity. The population at large support their own oppression, they vote for heavier taxes, new wars, new theocratic bans on what they're "allowed" to do.


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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18955293 - 10/09/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Currently in this country cigarettes are about €9.40 for a 20 box. The cigarette company typically charges €2.06 and the remaining €7.34 is tax.

Do you really believe that if cigarettes weren't taxed the cigarette companies would willingly sell them for €2.06 even though they know people are still happy to pay almost 5 times that amount?

If cigarettes are to be sold I would prefer to see as much of the profit as possible going to the state than to a company which profits from millions of drug addicts


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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Spiderbaby]
    #18955631 - 10/09/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Currently in this country cigarettes are about €9.40 for a 20 box. The cigarette company typically charges €2.06 and the remaining €7.34 is tax.

Do you really believe that if cigarettes weren't taxed the cigarette companies would willingly sell them for €2.06 even though they know people are still happy to pay almost 5 times that amount?

If cigarettes are to be sold I would prefer to see as much of the profit as possible going to the state than to a company which profits from millions of drug addicts




Bet you would.


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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18957730 - 10/10/13 02:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Most of mainland Europe cigarettes are cheap, unlike Ireland.

3.50/4e box Spain

5e Germany

9.40e Ireland

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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #18958848 - 10/10/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

And people from mainland Europe smoke like chimneys

Spanish price for a box of cigarettes = €3.50/4  Spanish smoking rate for males = 36.4%

German price for a box of cigarettes = €5  German smoking rates for males = 37.4%

Irish price for a box of cigarettes = €9.40  Irish smoking rates for males = 26.5%


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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Spiderbaby]
    #18959123 - 10/10/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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And people from mainland Europe smoke like chimneys

Spanish price for a box of cigarettes = €3.50/4  Spanish smoking rate for males = 36.4%

German price for a box of cigarettes = €5  German smoking rates for males = 37.4%

Irish price for a box of cigarettes = €9.40  Irish smoking rates for males = 26.5%




Since when was it yours or anyone else's business if someone chooses to smoke? I don't like techno or hip-hop so I'm going to tax anyone who listens to that kind of music, also going to tax people who watch TV.


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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Spiderbaby]
    #18959133 - 10/10/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

God damn. I only pay $5 for a pack here in texas. In shreveport there only $3, and I hear there cheep as hell in virginia too.


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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18959244 - 10/10/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Since when was it yours or anyone else's business if someone chooses to smoke? I don't like techno or hip-hop so I'm going to tax anyone who listens to that kind of music, also going to tax people who watch TV.




Techno and hip-hop don't eventually kill many of their listeners, don't cause a long list of diseases and don't cause massive expenses to the health system. Finally techno and hip-hop aren't highly addictive drugs produced, marketed and sold by large ruthless multinational corporations so I can't really see what comparison you are trying to make here.

Bottom line is tobacco companies make billions from selling a dangerous drug to people, nations can't stop this but they can tax it to offset the cost of the damage the industry causes.


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