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huffinglue
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Chuckfinely]
#18942238 - 10/06/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The part about different people withdrawing differently is right. The rest of your post just totally contridics itself.
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Fungi
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: huffinglue]
#18942565 - 10/06/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you want to smoke, at least grow your own organic tobacco plants. The garbage you call cigarettes are full of pesticides, GMOs and other chemicals.
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huffinglue
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Fungi]
#18942821 - 10/06/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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But, there. So. Goooooood. Hmmmm. Like steak and potatoes. That hooks deep. I wish I wasnt addicted, honestly, but I also honestly don't want to quit. I love smoking. Except that damn smell.
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musiclover420
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: huffinglue]
#18943049 - 10/07/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tobbaco farmers can get nicotine poisoning cutting their plants down, nicotine is a organic pesticide, smoking it is retarded. With or without the gmo, sketchy synthetic pesticides, and other gnarly additives. its bad enough on its own. You could kill yourself by drinking Ecigarette glycerin, or spilling enough on you and not cleaning it off. Ive heard 1 drop of pure nicotine would be fatal.
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Lord_McLovin
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Achuma]
#18943150 - 10/07/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Achuma said: I quit because I knew it was killing me and causing suffering in my lungs and throat. Had I been forced to quit by the government reducing availability, I wouldn't view it as a divine sign that it's time to withdraw from tobacco. I would find the guy selling loosies for $3 apiece to stave off the anger problems.
I guess I am saying people will quit when they choose to. It's an act of willpower, not enforcement. I hope for the best though.
This sums it up pretty nicely. Come on guys, this is the shroomery, get over that "my drug is better than yours"-attitude, it makes you look silly. Prohibition of anything has always and will always backfire, how much more suffering do we need until we realize this?
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topdog82
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#18943766 - 10/07/13 08:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Lord_McLovin said:
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Achuma said: I quit because I knew it was killing me and causing suffering in my lungs and throat. Had I been forced to quit by the government reducing availability, I wouldn't view it as a divine sign that it's time to withdraw from tobacco. I would find the guy selling loosies for $3 apiece to stave off the anger problems.
I guess I am saying people will quit when they choose to. It's an act of willpower, not enforcement. I hope for the best though.
This sums it up pretty nicely. Come on guys, this is the shroomery, get over that "my drug is better than yours"-attitude, it makes you look silly. Prohibition of anything has always and will always backfire, how much more suffering do we need until we realize this?
Maybe we could weanthe tobacco-addicted public off cigs using snus and ecigs?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_cigarette
This time, the gov should sell e-liquid that is tobacco extract. The full taste and buzz of tobacco. None of the pure nicotine dizzy crap
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NWlight
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: ChRnZN]
#18944302 - 10/07/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Noodle473 said: morally wrong my ass
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
― C.S. Lewis
the article is quoting someone who is saying it's morally wrong to de-normalize smoking because it stigmatizes people. they aren't saying smoking is morally wrong.
I think this initiative isn't even that ground breaking. did you guys read it?
it seems pretty awesome to me
1) not letting people smoke in cars with children
2) banning self-service cigarette machines (likely preventing minors from buying them)
3) We have passed similar legislation here in the USA like not letting people smoke within certain distances from doors, getting rid of "smoking sections" in many restaurants etc.
the less people smoking cigarettes the better. its not like they are making it illegal they are just discouraging it.
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: NWlight]
#18944599 - 10/07/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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freaking I would laugh if the government figured out how much throat and lung cancer patients cost on society and just put that out through cigarettes.
They never would do anything remotely logical or sane though because they have vices as much as we do.
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BittrBuffalo
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: cycline]
#18945437 - 10/07/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The position of Health Minister is essentially that of the Surgeon General. Of course smoking is bad for you. They're not trying to outlaw smoking outright, they're just trying to discourage people from smoking. I was in school in Ireland right after the smoking ban was passed, and people had mixed feelings about it. Smoking in pubs had been part of Irish culture, but most smokers I had met that were forced to smoke outside essentially said that while it's a pain to step outside for a smoke, everyone's probably better off for it.
This isn't anything that isn't already happened in America, or anywhere else, really. You know, "Smoke-Free America" and all that. Shit--go buy a pack in Canada or Australia and you'll get a bunch of gory pictures of blackened lungs and rotted tracheas. As far as I know, cigarette vending machines have been illegal (federally) in the US for a few years now. Nothing to be outraged over.
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RockyRaccoon



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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: cycline]
#18945440 - 10/07/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Damn it. Let the smokers smoke!
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Rootless
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: RockyRaccoon]
#18945539 - 10/07/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Addiction is nothing to mess with. Especially when you put someone into a corner like that.
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RockyRaccoon



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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Rootless]
#18945546 - 10/07/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rootless said: Addiction is nothing to mess with. Especially when you put someone into a corner like that.
You're right. If this actually happened, there would be a huge smokers rebellion.
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dokunai
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: RockyRaccoon]
#18945886 - 10/07/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Smoking is shitty and I deeply hate the tobacco companies. My mom died from smoking.
But, I also think there are certain types of decisions we shouldn't make for people, and this is one of them. Many people despise weed and other drugs as much as I dislike tobacco, but I certainly do not want them deciding if pot or whatever else is OK for me to do to my own body.
I'm all for preventitive measures and help for smokers to quit. But, banning tocacco is never going to be the answer. Do you want the DEA/ATF/etc kicking down your neighbor's door in full SWAT gear screaming "get on the ground, where are the fucking Marlboros?"
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huffinglue
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: dokunai]
#18946497 - 10/07/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hahaha. That last part got me. Funny shit right there. Sad thing is, I could see that happening eventually...
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Repertoire89
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: ChRnZN]
#18946762 - 10/07/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Noodle473 said: morally wrong my ass
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
― C.S. Lewis
Its very sad that this pattern has persisted for so long
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dokunai
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: huffinglue]
#18946827 - 10/07/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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huffinglue said: Hahaha. That last part got me. Funny shit right there. Sad thing is, I could see that happening eventually...
That's exactly how I felt when writing it. Kind of funny but maybe not too far off where this might be headed.
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musiclover420
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: dokunai]
#18947800 - 10/08/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would laugh if people started getting raided for cigarettes. At least it would show the world how the rest of us counterculture types interested in things deemed illegal by oppressive governments. At least nicotine is actually hurting people. And I love that C.S Lewis quote.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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BittrBuffalo
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: musiclover420]
#18948673 - 10/08/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think you guys are seriously misunderstanding what's going on here. Nobody is making cigarettes illegal in Ireland. They're just trying to discourage people from using them. Making them illegal would be absolutely retarded--it would be impossible to force everyone to quit and the state would lose revenue obtained through taxation over it. Besides, who gives a shit if smoking is considered "not normal"? It's already not the norm, in fact that's why teenagers do it. Are you really that concerned about fitting in?
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#18949597 - 10/08/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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BittrBuffalo said: I think you guys are seriously misunderstanding what's going on here. Nobody is making cigarettes illegal in Ireland. They're just trying to discourage people from using them. Making them illegal would be absolutely retarded--it would be impossible to force everyone to quit and the state would lose revenue obtained through taxation over it. Besides, who gives a shit if smoking is considered "not normal"? It's already not the norm, in fact that's why teenagers do it. Are you really that concerned about fitting in?
It doesn't matter if its still legal there, they're artificially inflating the price of cigarettes in spite of smokers.
There's no appeasement between me and busy body assholes
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BittrBuffalo
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Repertoire89] 1
#18951450 - 10/08/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey, man--doctors tell patients to quit smoking all the time. Does that make them busybodies? He's the Minister of Health, not your next door neighbor. I think he's qualified to speak on the matter and discouraging smoking is kind of in his wheelhouse.
Artificial inflation is the name of the game. Perceived value is what determines a "going rate". Monetary value is the abstract association of how much energy a population is willing to trade for a commodity. If you want a product to go down in price, get yourself and at least several thousand others in your area to quit buying it. It's supply and demand. Pushers/governments know that peddling a physically addictive substance will reliably produce repeat customers. The government wants its cut for what's being sold on its territory. If you're not interested in participating in that, well, I guess it's time to quit.
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