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'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland
#18939152 - 10/06/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24386229
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The Irish health minister has published a plan to make the state "tobacco-free" by 2025.
Dr James Reilly has defined a "tobacco-free Ireland" as a state where less than 5% of the population smoke.
According to the latest figures, 22% of people aged 15 and over regularly smoke cigarettes in the Republic of Ireland.
The plan makes 60 recommendations to significantly reduce smoking over the next 12 years. Tobacco would still be available, but at an increased cost.
The recommendations also include the introduction of a ban on smoking in cars where children are present and new on-the-spot fines for breaches of smoking laws. 'De-normalisation'
The plan calls for greater restrictions on the types of outlets from which tobacco products can be sold, advocating a ban on all self-service cigarette vending machines and greater regulation of tobacco retailers.
It also sets out several recommendations for what it called the "de-normalisation" of tobacco use in Irish society.
The health minister said: "Smoking is the leading cause of preventable death in Ireland.
"Each year at least 5,200 people die from diseases caused by tobacco use. This represents almost one in five of all deaths," Dr Reilly added.
The tobacco-free plan has been published almost a decade on from the Irish smoking ban.
In March 2004, the Republic of Ireland became the first state to introduce a total ban on smoking in the workplace, controversially including pubs and clubs in the legislation.
The ban has been largely hailed as a success, with a 97% compliance rate. 'Morally wrong'
Earlier this year, a study of the effects of the ban estimated that up to 3,726 smoking-related deaths were prevented since 2004.
Reacting to the latest initiative to eradicate tobacco use, a spokesman for smokers' group Forest Éireann told Irish broadcaster RTÉ it was "morally wrong to de-normalise smoking"
He said that would result in "stigmatising consumers of a legal product enjoyed by hundreds of thousands of adults throughout the country".
"Smokers contribute a huge amount of money to the government through tobacco taxation," he added.
"De-normalising tobacco will drive more and more people to the black market and the fringes of society."
The Tobacco Free Ireland report was compiled by the Tobacco Policy Review Group.
The group consists of 12 staff from the Irish Department of Health, the Irish Health Service Executive (HSE)and the National Tobacco Control Office.
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: cycline]
#18939190 - 10/06/13 07:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah it carries a lot of risks, I'm on the edge about this. But then again, who's really gonna go buy smokes illegally?
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Synthe]
#18939193 - 10/06/13 08:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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morally wrong my ass
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: ChRnZN]
#18939261 - 10/06/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You drive prices(taxes) high enough on anything and there will be a black market for it.
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: huffinglue]
#18939277 - 10/06/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah but its a weaksauce drug. Back in prohibition, well, alcohol is a helluva drug. Nicotine on the other hand is like fuckin' coffee.
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Synthe]
#18939283 - 10/06/13 08:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, but not to quit. I've heard it compaired to gettin off heorin, although I have no scientific or personal experience with that. Yet.
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: huffinglue]
#18939288 - 10/06/13 08:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think it's a safe bet that the majority of smokers would choose to be unaddicted if they could. I mean, if only there was a better way to get off the smokes, then at least if they banned them, the government could also give away free effective treatment. Of course what I'm talking about is idealistic and unrealistic, but if only, right? I lost family to lung cancer. It's a shitty fuckin drug.
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Synthe]
#18939408 - 10/06/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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As long as you can't go to jail for smoking it then I don't care.
Enough people smoke trying to be edgy.
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Synthe]
#18939448 - 10/06/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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well fuck yeah we don't want to be addicted to that shit. Not only cause its so bad for you, but the smell. The fuckin smell is gross and gets in EVERYTHING. I'm tryin to quit/cut down with ecigs. My mom hasn't touched a real cig in 15 months since she started ecigs. She quit when I quit alcohol. She says she still has cravings for a real one all the time though.
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: huffinglue]
#18939538 - 10/06/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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huffinglue said: Yeah, but not to quit. I've heard it compaired to gettin off heorin, although I have no scientific or personal experience with that. Yet.
Not even close. I've heard of people getting maybe a little shakey, maybe a day or two of being agitated, but never 10 days of puking, cold sweats, and shaking so hard its difficult to talk
Its different for everyone though. I personally cant be addicted to cigg's. I smoked a pack a day for 4 years when i was young and it was cool, but as soon as the cool factor wore off I went cold turkey with no side effects and no cravings. To this day I can smoke a cig once a month if i take a bunch of benzo's and a cig will feel good, but it gets tossed within 3 puffs and i have no desire for another
On the other hand I have a friend who is having a hell of a time stopping smoking. Shortness of breath, agitation, craving, the whole nine yards. But the guy can cold turkey heroin and only get a little short of breath and a little sweaty for like 2 days, not violently sick like I would.
Different people I suppose 
On topic though I dont think they should control cig's to such an extent just like they shouldn't be controlling pot so harshly. It should be up to the individual on what they want to consume, not the government
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Synthe]
#18939850 - 10/06/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Synthe said: Yeah but its a weaksauce drug. Back in prohibition, well, alcohol is a helluva drug. Nicotine on the other hand is like fuckin' coffee.
Nicotine is very addictive. Don't underestimate it. There's a black market for cigarettes in Europe already. Also there was coffee prohibition in Europe a few hundred years ago and guess what happened.
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#18940167 - 10/06/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know it's addictive, but it's not "fun" enough of a drug to buy illegally unless you were already addicted.
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Synthe]
#18940872 - 10/06/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's about time they started DE-normalizing that gnarly shit somewhere. Now I just need to move to ireland.
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Lord_McLovin]
#18940880 - 10/06/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lord_McLovin said:
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Synthe said: Yeah but its a weaksauce drug. Back in prohibition, well, alcohol is a helluva drug. Nicotine on the other hand is like fuckin' coffee.
Nicotine is very addictive. Don't underestimate it. There's a black market for cigarettes in Europe already. Also there was coffee prohibition in Europe a few hundred years ago and guess what happened. 
Damn, little did I know about the coffee thing
Also, you gotta get into the mind of a teenager. At the ripe age of 16, I was ready to do anything stupid and rebellious
IMO the key isnt illegalization. It is scientific information and regulation. Lets say that in the future you had an ID card. If you wanted to get a pack of cigarettes for the first time, you would have to watch a dcumentary on the pros and cons of smoking. Then, after 1 hour, you could go ahead an buy it. And every 100th pack of ciggies, you would have to rewatch the documentary
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: topdog82] 1
#18940890 - 10/06/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe you should have to have graduated highschool before you can smoke ciggies
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Konyap]
#18940910 - 10/06/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Illyabo said: Maybe you should have to have graduated highschool before you can smoke ciggies
That law is already in place. You can't buy it unless you are 18. I think they should bump it up to the age of 21 and make them fully understand that health reprocussions of smoking
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: topdog82]
#18941001 - 10/06/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nobody knows the reprecusssions though, they know tobacco, they don't know what the other shit is.
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: topdog82]
#18941063 - 10/06/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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topdog82 said:
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Illyabo said: Maybe you should have to have graduated highschool before you can smoke ciggies
That law is already in place. You can't buy it unless you are 18. I think they should bump it up to the age of 21 and make them fully understand that health reprocussions of smoking
I'd be okay with it going up to 21, but it's already so normalized, I saw an episode of cops where
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Synthe]
#18941111 - 10/06/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Synthe said: Yeah it carries a lot of risks, I'm on the edge about this. But then again, who's really gonna go buy smokes illegally?
There is already a massive black market for cigarettes in this country due to heavy taxation. Although I could see a slow and long term effort against tobacco smoking being effective
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Re: 'Tobacco-free' plan for Republic of Ireland [Re: Konyap]
#18941170 - 10/06/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nicotine withdrawal is a massive bitch to go through. It took approximately 2 weeks to stop having cravings but it took approx 3 months to return to relative emotional stability. During that time I had basically constant anger, without provocation, which led in several instances to displaced violence (beating the shit out of the doorjamb of my apartment with a metal pot until my girlfriend got me to stop, was one example).
I quit because I knew it was killing me and causing suffering in my lungs and throat. Had I been forced to quit by the government reducing availability, I wouldn't view it as a divine sign that it's time to withdraw from tobacco. I would find the guy selling loosies for $3 apiece to stave off the anger problems.
I guess I am saying people will quit when they choose to. It's an act of willpower, not enforcement. I hope for the best though.
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