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First flush... B+
    #18938858 - 10/06/13 04:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hi everyone!

I came here about a month ago looking for some advice on mushroom cultivation and trying to understand a bit more about it. I suffer from cluster headaches so I'm doing this for more than just a trip, but the trip idea is also very appealing to me! :laugh:

Anyway, I just wanted to share my images and see if I could perhaps get some feedback. This was my first attempt and I think a few of these are almost ready to be picked!

Day 1:


Day 4:


Day 7:


Day 9:


Day 10 (today):


There seems to be so many of them but the heads are quite small, my understanding is that I pick them when the bottom of the head releases itself from the stem? Presumably I'd also have to be extremely careful since are just so many of them and so close together?!


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: juln]
    #18939364 - 10/06/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well after a bit more reading I think they are ready, so I just picked them and here they are! - Seems like a lot less now that I'm actually drying them and they're not really as big I had hoped. Can anyone give me some tips to get them bigger with the second flush? I'm also quite curious just how much dry weight all this will make, I think it was only about 50g total... assuming I'm left with 10% of that I'll barely have enough for two mild trips?! :frown:



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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: juln]
    #18939385 - 10/06/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Size and potency is for the most part dependent on genetics. You could try cloning or isolating from one of the larger fruits in the hopes of having a nicer grow next time around. It looks like you picked some of those fruits a little too early, but either way good job :thumbup: I hope my first grow goes nearly as well.


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: juln]
    #18939386 - 10/06/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you want large caps and dense robust stipes then you need lots of FAE. That kit you are using is not going to provide adequate FAE which is why you have a ton of skinny shrooms with small caps. I like my mushies to look like this :awesomenod: Next time ditch the kit and start researching on these boards there is tons of good info :super:



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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #18939441 - 10/06/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Nice work Juln
As said before more Fresh Air Exchange next time :wink:

So you suffer from Cluster headaches?
I take shrooms for fun and for my chronic depression and
they help so much :laugh:
You're going to love tripping on Cubensis,
have you ever tripped before??


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Esmash]
    #18939736 - 10/06/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hi guys, many thanks for your comments and suggestions, that image from Pastywhyte is incredible! I will certainly invest some more time into research, this was merely a step in to see if it works for me and if I will enjoy it. :smile:

This will be my first trip, I am just drying the shrooms in my fan now and will hopefully have a go on Friday or Saturday next week! :laugh:


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: juln]
    #18939751 - 10/06/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Excellent work :thumbup:

I know a cube is a cube but my "B+" grow has produced the strongest cubes I've ever had and thats over 20 years eating shrooms across multiple continents :grin::lol:


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: juln]
    #18939918 - 10/06/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Namaste,
Try eating them fresh. They are always better fresh IME.


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Lingabhakt]
    #18940592 - 10/06/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Have just eaten a couple... they don't actually taste that bad, don't know what people were talking about! Will update you if I start tripping. :P


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: juln]
    #18940896 - 10/06/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How are you feeling man lol


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: McShroomin]
    #18941086 - 10/06/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well I had about 6 and to be honest I'm not feeling much. :frown:

Perhaps I had too much to eat earlier. Certainly I can feel an upset stomach though! XD

Will eat a few more bigger ones in the next 15-20 minutes. :tongue2:


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: juln]
    #18941128 - 10/06/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How much weight did you eat?    doesn't say much.  One can eat 20 tiny shrooms or 1 huge shroom and equal each other.


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18941226 - 10/06/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'd say maybe 5g from out of my last image. I do feel a little different but I'm quite sure I could eat a few more, the only thing is I don't seem to have many left! How many decent trips does one normally get from a flush?


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: juln]
    #18941521 - 10/06/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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How many decent trips does one normally get from a flush?




Theres no answer for this.

Just keep harvesting and drying.


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Nimpo]
    #18944631 - 10/07/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So I ended up chopping the rest of them to little bits and making a tea from them. The water was dark blue/grey, almost black in colour and the taste was rather strange but not as bad as Marmite I guess. The effect is amazing. I feel relaxed and pleasant. I will definitely be doing this again and hopefully with much more potent shrooms! Would love to have hallucinated but supposedly this trip awaits another day. :laugh:


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: juln]
    #18945246 - 10/07/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So I ended up chopping the rest of them to little bits and making a tea from them. The water was dark blue/grey, almost black in colour and the taste was rather strange but not as bad as Marmite I guess. The effect is amazing. I feel relaxed and pleasant. I will definitely be doing this again and hopefully with much more potent shrooms! Would love to have hallucinated but supposedly this trip awaits another day. :laugh:




Sort of reminds me of doing shrroms with one of my best buddies. We can be sat there crying with laughter for 2 hours and he'll be like "yeh these shrooms ain't that good my vision is completely normal" and I say "ffs stop worrying about "tripping" and realise we've just been having the best time ever for hours!"

"tripping" is not just about "hallucinating"

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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Skinty]
    #18945425 - 10/07/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's all a matter of how much you eat.
"Tripping" on cubes takes a good dose, I would say at least 5g dry.
You can feel mighty good on lower doses too, but they got more to offer
then just laughter and some visual distortion if you really wanna go there.


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: spacechildo]
    #18945531 - 10/07/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's all a matter of how much you eat.
"Tripping" on cubes takes a good dose, I would say at least 5g dry.
You can feel mighty good on lower doses too, but they got more to offer
then just laughter and some visual distortion if you really wanna go there.




Yes but whatever dose you take there's no point "searching" for something that isn't happening...just have fun with what you got :cool::thumbup:


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Skinty]
    #18945578 - 10/07/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds like you only achieved a lvl 1-2....:psychsplit: Did you dry them? Or eat fresh?


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Nakor420]
    #18945635 - 10/07/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

wow nice work! i hope my first attempt goes just as well!

and as far as eating them goes, my experience has been like this..

When i want to trip with friends and have a good time just enjoying the day, ill eat anywhere from 1g-5g dry.

But when i want to go on an adventure.. a REAL adventure. like the kind where you literally lose track of time and space, while feeling like a moonman walking sideways on purple earth.. well that takes a special dose. ive noticed 7g is great for strong, but not TOO strong visuals, with a lot of introspective thoughts. but 14g.. now THAT is a trip.

i dont recommend doses like that. but as a once in a lifetime event, its worth it. although sometimes i feel like you never truly come back from a trip like that.. (in the way you think anyway)

anywho, just be safe, and have fun!


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: aomoriakuma]
    #18945656 - 10/07/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Once in a lifetime? lol..... If it's only once in a life time...then I want it to last a life time.


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Nakor420]
    #18945681 - 10/07/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

haha, i dont know, when i first hit whatever plateau that was.. it sort of scared me! and i dont really have much interest in peaking on that level again.

i have a LOT of experience with psychedelics, and i can positively say that mushrooms take the cake as far as how high you can go. ive eaten 20 tabs of the purest lsd, flew into space on some of the best mescaline, and blasted off into DMT land more times than i can count. But 14+ grams of mushrooms was... something else man..


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: aomoriakuma]
    #18945702 - 10/07/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: spacechildo]
    #18945759 - 10/07/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well...extremely high doses of psilocybin and smoking DMT are basically the easiest ways to reach lvl 5. I like to chill at a party around lvl 3...if I'm by myself...5 all day...


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: spacechildo]
    #18945781 - 10/07/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

IMO quantity is only one part of the equation. I have eaten 13 dry grams before and while that was a trip to remember, it still is not the hardest that I ever tripped. I think my heaviest trip ever was my first lemon tek on 4 grams of some MS B+ (from my first grow :wink:) that I thought were bunk. The two previous trips from that grow were very disappointing, but I did not realize at the time that that was probably due to a huge amount of cross tolerance that i had built up from the copious amounts of LSD I had consumed two days prior.

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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #18945837 - 10/07/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah tolerance plays a big role as well. if youve been tripping pretty regularly, then even 14+ grams might just be a mild trip. but ime, if you mix two psychedelics, such as lsd and cubes, i feel like the trip is exponentially stronger. ive done this while having a decent tolerance, and the result has always been crazy lol

also, about hitting the fifth plateau. some people may be able to handle hitting that plateau on a regular basis, but personally i feel like thats an experience that is only really necessary once. imo, psychedelics arent something to play around with, and when taking extreme doses, i really believe you have to be careful. They can be fun, but you dont want to end up in the loony bin! and ive had my fair share of friends who have gone off the deep end! (usually from prolonged trips of 1 week or more. going to festivals and trying to trip for the entire duration of said festival is NOT the best idea..)


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: aomoriakuma]
    #18946165 - 10/07/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Im terrified of a level 5 trip.

The furthest Ive had was a level 4 and that shit got SUPER intense. Too intense for my liking. Really fucked me up and had me second guessing my bodily functions.


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Nimpo]
    #18946225 - 10/07/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Im terrified of a level 5 trip.

The furthest Ive had was a level 4 and that shit got SUPER intense. Too intense for my liking. Really fucked me up and had me second guessing my bodily functions.




Nothing like pooping yer pants to let ya know ya had a good time :super:


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #18946281 - 10/07/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There is no such thing as a bad trip....only bad trippers. I can hang out at lvl 5 all day if I'm alone and isolated. You have to be like Jesus :laugh: That's not to say you have to be christian... I'm saying be peace and love and forgiveness and nothing can touch you. I've gotten jumped on a 1/4 by some punks who thought I had more fungus on me...I wasn't even phased, because I forgave them their ignorance. They didn't even hurt me. I walked through them like they weren't even there,lol. AAAHHHHH what a night,lol. That was like a lvl 4


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Nakor420]
    #18946344 - 10/07/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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There is no such thing as a bad trip....only bad trippers. I can hang out at lvl 5 all day if I'm alone and isolated.




you sir, are obviously a champion at handling your psychedelics!

some of us are not so blessed lol


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: aomoriakuma]
    #18946361 - 10/07/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You just need to shed your fear....Why do we fear during trips? It's fear of death...once you realize death is an illusion...there is no fear. Then you can commune with the energetic entities that occupy the spirit realm without any hesitation. You are wrong sir...we are all blessed with the same ability. You just haven't shed that rotten husk yet.


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Nakor420]
    #18946384 - 10/07/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well youre definitely not wrong, but i dont fear death. ive lived long enough to accept my fate, and i will embrace death with open arms when my time comes.

i also consider myself pretty well prepared for any kind of trip. its just something about hitting that 5th plateau that does it for me. i guess i like having at least slight control over who i am, and the complete disassociation that accompanies those high doses is a little much for me.

again, i recommend everyone to try it at least once, but for some of us, that experience is one that is only required once. i learned what i needed to from it, and i see no reason to go back. For those that enjoy tripping on such a level, more power to you! i find that such a powerful experience can be quite exhausting lol


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Nakor420]
    #18946417 - 10/07/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Eh, its not a fear of death, its a fear of losing sanity (not forever) and the end result.

I took 4 grams earlier this year and tripped hard. Had my mind racing at 5,000,000 miles an hour. It was too much, not enough time to stop and take a breath, to stop and take in the experience. I was still in control, but holy shit did the idea of grabbing a shotgun and blowing my head off to stop the madness sound like a perfect plan at the time. I can see how people lose it and those horror stories about mushrooms happen. I pretty much only do tea now, because like that I have the safety net of knowing I need to ride trips out for 2 hours at most when shit gets rough, compared to 5+ when eating them.

But then again, mushrooms are always a game of roulette to me. Either Ill have a great time, or I won't. I dont trip much, anyway. Nor do I find anything spiritual about it. Therapeutic, maybe.


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Nimpo]
    #18946495 - 10/07/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well...I usually do say fear of death OR the fear of a perma-trip or psychosis.
Let me first say that a permanent trip on mushrooms is impossible. idc how much you eat..it will pass....eventually. Also.. I've TRIED to trip for days on mushrooms and I know for a fact, and my friends who have eaten them with me can also attest that once your brain decides it's done tripping on fungus...you are done. Eventually you are just like...I'm going to bed.I think just the general term FEAR would suffice in this instance, no matter what you are fearing.


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Nakor420]
    #18946520 - 10/07/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you can abandon your fear and love your fellow man, nothing can touch you. No such thing as a bad trip. :wink:


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    #18946566 - 10/07/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

We werent talking about permanent trips, but good night lol


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Nimpo]
    #18946572 - 10/07/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I mentioned psychosis too...which is "losing your sanity"...


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Nakor420]
    #18946583 - 10/07/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Man this thread is JACKED up! lol Sorry OP..gl with your grow.



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    #18946586 - 10/07/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

C'mon guys, lets all grow a pair :shrug:

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I've said it before, but scales are for little girls. You should sit down and munch until you're full.  I've eaten well over 30 dry grams before.  Remember, there is no OD threshold for psilocybin, so eat all you want. Besides, 2 grams dry is for very, very, very little girls.  I wouldn't waste time on less than at least three times that amount.
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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #18946610 - 10/07/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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C'mon guys, lets all grow a pair :shrug:

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I've said it before, but scales are for little girls. You should sit down and munch until you're full.  I've eaten well over 30 dry grams before.  Remember, there is no OD threshold for psilocybin, so eat all you want. Besides, 2 grams dry is for very, very, very little girls.  I wouldn't waste time on less than at least three times that amount.
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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #18946893 - 10/07/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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C'mon guys, lets all grow a pair :shrug:

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I've said it before, but scales are for little girls. You should sit down and munch until you're full.  I've eaten well over 30 dry grams before.  Remember, there is no OD threshold for psilocybin, so eat all you want. Besides, 2 grams dry is for very, very, very little girls.  I wouldn't waste time on less than at least three times that amount.
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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: OneiricOutsider]
    #18946912 - 10/07/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You and me both, brother. :thumbup: I have no need to sling huge psychedelic balls around


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    #18946972 - 10/07/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I had to run a search to confirm that that quote was indeed legitimate :eek: I knew RR was a boss, but damn...




Sure is :awesomenod:

A few others I love :thumbup:

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Scales are for little girls.  Mushrooms are food.  Eat until you're full.  :bananahorsey:
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Those mushrooms are fine.  Your friend is a pussy. 





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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: OneiricOutsider]
    #18947851 - 10/08/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I've said it before, but scales are for little girls. You should sit down and munch until you're full.  I've eaten well over 30 dry grams before.  Remember, there is no OD threshold for psilocybin, so eat all you want. Besides, 2 grams dry is for very, very, very little girls.  I wouldn't waste time on less than at least three times that amount.
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Listening to RR's advice on growing mushrooms is a very very good idea.

Listening to the crap above is not such a good idea. Everyone is different. If you stop using scales cos of what someone on a message board says then yr pretty dumb. What ridiculous macho posturing to suggest that you are a "little girl" if you can't handle masses of hallucinogenics. I assume RR's quote is out of context or tongue in cheek...

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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: spacechildo]
    #18947862 - 10/08/13 01:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's all a matter of how much you eat.
"Tripping" on cubes takes a good dose, I would say at least 5g dry.
You can feel mighty good on lower doses too, but they got more to offer
then just laughter and some visual distortion if you really wanna go there.




You can't give dose advice like this with mushrooms...5g dry might make you trip out but 2 grams dry puts me on the fucking moon. Full-blown visuals, loss of ego, etc etc. I can't even imagine taking more than 3.5. This is because I have a naturally high sensitivity to the actives in the mushrooms.

It's all about your own body and how it processes the chemicals. Better to recommend a newcomer to start low and work his way up, not jump in at a high dose right away.


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18948044 - 10/08/13 03:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I get that, better safe than sorry, it just seemed to me the op wanted to trip for real,
and was far from satisfied with his experience.
The dosage charts that I've read, think it's from erowid,
says 1g as mild, 2 as normal and 5g+ as a heavy dose.

You probably have some fantastic specimens of mushrooms as well Frank,
I've never eaten PE which is supposed to be 50% more potent.

Back in the days when I still had the balls, or the lack of respect for psychedelics,
me and my friends ate about a dry oz each.
If you want to trip, in my experience, just eat till you start feeling it.

OP seemed to be eating rather small amounts, 2 days in a row, and not getting satisfactory results.
I tried to state that shrooms do have the capability of blowing your mind,
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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: spacechildo]
    #18948203 - 10/08/13 05:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My buddy Ross hits lvl 4-5 on micro-doses too. It really is something you need to test your waters for before jumping in feet first. Personally.. I can trip off two grams pretty good as long as I wait long periods between trips...but at the same time.. I can handle 7 grams like a boss. It used to overwhelm me when I was younger...then I realized.....


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: OneiricOutsider]
    #19333143 - 12/27/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Stupidly I hadn't turned on the notifications feature, so I didn't actually read all your responses until just now... XD

I've come a long way since this first flush and recently had some success with another (different?) flush called 'Treasure Coast'.

I'm still not quite sure I understand what all the different names are for. The website I'm buying my kits from just has so many to choose from, so far I've just gone by the reviews. B+ being the most popular and Treasure Coast having only 5* reviews from everyone who left their feedback.

I have ordered another kit for B+ as I felt this gave me more hallucinations, which I really enjoyed. Treasure Coast on the other hand only seemed to give me euphoria (without any visuals at all), and I had exceeded 3g dry on every occasion. I wonder if there is some loss of potency as a result of my other medicines? I am taking venlafaxine and bupropion. :/

Anyway, the last few flushes were HUGE, thanks to a few tips from the supplier! I didn't take any pictures this time but dried them all out and ground them into a fine powder, which I'm now storing in an airtight jar (good idea?).

I think my next step is to look more into PF tek and perhaps try to do the whole process myself from scratch (as opposed to using the kits).

I'll post some more pictures and start a new thread once I get my first flush off my new kit. :smile:


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: juln]
    #19335843 - 12/28/13 07:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Haha, turns out I did have some pictures after all! And the first version of my home-made 'mushroom dryer' is included! - The updated version is basically the same but with bigger fans.

If you want to make one yourself, it's a set of mesh drawers with 12 60mm cooling fans, 6 are fixed to the bottom of one drawer and 6 to the bottom of another, the bottom drawer is then flipped over so that the air comes from top and bottom. The fresh mushrooms are then placed in a third drawer which is slotted between the two fan drawers. They're paper dry within 24 hours. The fans are controlled and powered via USB. :smile:





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    #19335849 - 12/28/13 07:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Haha, turns out I did have some pictures after all! And the first version of my home-made 'mushroom dryer' is included! - The updated version is basically the same but with bigger fans.

If you want to make one yourself, it's a set of mesh drawers with 12 60mm cooling fans, 6 are fixed to the bottom of one drawer and 6 to the bottom of another, the bottom drawer is then flipped over so that the air comes from top and bottom. The fresh mushrooms are then placed in a third drawer which is slotted between the two fan drawers. They're paper dry within 24 hours. The fans are controlled and powered via USB. :smile:







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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Nakor420]
    #19351079 - 12/31/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Haha! You disapprove?! XD

Any tips are welcomed!! I'd really appreciate some feedback. Turn me into a magic mushroom PRO. :smile:


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: juln]
    #19351186 - 12/31/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

I approve...why not?


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Nakor420]
    #19351500 - 12/31/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Haha, my misinterpretation of the man in the gif... I wasn't sure if he was laughing, crying or had just discovered his penis, it was just really hard to interpret the response. :P

This one would have been much better, LOL!

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    #19351620 - 12/31/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

:dancingshroom:  :dancingshroom:  :dancingshroom: looks sweet.


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    #19351670 - 12/31/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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or had just discovered his penis




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    #19351678 - 12/31/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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EPIC....that's exactly what I'm talking about. I wanna stand in a room with RR, Frank and Paul Stamets and devour a pile of mush.



I would imagine the walls would melt....And I don't mean imaginary either.

I ate 16g dry one night with a few friends...all of us.  I do not recommend that sort of amount for anyone who really does not know what to expect.  In my younger days I was totally plowed (drunk+high) most of the time, so getting fucked up for 5 hours like that really takes me back lol.  I enjoy the loss of control + all the other "things"

As someone pointed out, these sort of doses are hard to forget.  Parts of some of my evenings still stick with me, as both awesome and crazy.  Telepathy, everyone seeing the same things, and watching yourself from the corner of the room are some of the best!


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    #19351881 - 12/31/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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EPIC....that's exactly what I'm talking about. I wanna stand in a room with RR, Frank and Paul Stamets and devour a pile of mush.



I would imagine the walls would melt....And I don't mean imaginary either.

I ate 16g dry one night with a few friends...all of us.  I do not recommend that sort of amount for anyone who really does not know what to expect.  In my younger days I was totally plowed (drunk+high) most of the time, so getting fucked up for 5 hours like that really takes me back lol.  I enjoy the loss of control + all the other "things"

As someone pointed out, these sort of doses are hard to forget.  Parts of some of my evenings still stick with me, as both awesome and crazy.  Telepathy, everyone seeing the same things, and watching yourself from the corner of the room are some of the best!



yah. I used to take insane doses back in high school. I once ate 23gs and was paralized to the point wher I could only move my neck and left arm. it was one of my favorite trips. Im getting to old for that shit now. 7gs is my max these days. last night I hit level five off of an 1/8.


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: MudaFuka]
    #19351923 - 12/31/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Fuck I hit level 5 off 2.5 grams of APE the last time I ate cubensis. Then I hit the floor. Kinda been avoiding cubes since then :lol:


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19352768 - 12/31/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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C'mon guys, lets all grow a pair :shrug:

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I've said it before, but scales are for little girls. You should sit down and munch until you're full.  I've eaten well over 30 dry grams before.  Remember, there is no OD threshold for psilocybin, so eat all you want. Besides, 2 grams dry is for very, very, very little girls.  I wouldn't waste time on less than at least three times that amount.
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Fuck that shit. This shit can make a person go insane. This doesn't sound like good advice at all. This is coming from a veteran too. This stuff can't hurt you physiologically, and you can't die from it, but it can fuck up a person's mind. Super doses are not for everyone, and I would go so far to say large doses are not for MOST people. I'm taking mushrooms to heal my brain, so I'll stick with the lower doses. More power to the large dose trippers, but calling people little girls for taking smaller doses of a very powerful substance is immature IMO.


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    #19352797 - 12/31/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: cronicr]
    #19352887 - 12/31/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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Umm.. I hate to break it to you but average quality shrooms on an average user with no tolerance are by NO means a "very light dose".

I often use 0.25-0.5gr of shrooms for introspection, discussion, forest appreciation and meditation.

0.75gr and up can at times cast me into extremely intense trip states. I let trips happen and so a little goes a long way.

1-1.5gr of shrooms for me reliably provides a fullblown trip that can be very challenging. Surfaces undulate and breathe, with closed eyes a wide panorama of visuals unfolds, "miracles" happen.

Most trippers do not appreciate small doses of mushrooms or never seek them out to begin with. That is a shame and their loss. When you occasoionally use small dosages you can do a tremendous amount of self-discovery and often have a great time doing it.

It's great to take 0.25-0.5gr and explore, and top that up with the same amount every third hour so you spend an entire day flying a couple of feet off the ground like Wilbur Wright rather than soaring in a jet plane and having a mighty thrill but missing most of the scenery.

Lie in your bed, warm and dark, and listen to your mind wandering while you don't actively think of something.
VERY interesting, but small doses, like big doses, are an acquired taste.

With a small dose YOU have to make it happen, but it will still be the real 4-HO-DMT in your brain.




Usually.. 1 gram dried equals some 10 liberty caps.

My standard dosage for cubensis is 0.5 gram. It used to be 3 gram (~1/8 oz) and at one time it has been 10-12 gram. I reach 6'4" into the air and weigh little shy of 300 lbs.

But nowadays its 1/2 gram, which in the dried state is one  mushroom capsule.. And the big LSD: done that, forever wearing the T-shirt!

I have been on the astral doses, and guess what? Tripping in some respects easier on the high dose. If you got a problem area in your life.. Hey don't think about it man: it's such a carnival you are distracted off of doing the work.
And that is what keeps 9/10 "high-dosers" using high doses: because they simply do not (or cannot) deal with their life issues amidst the psychedelic onslaught of distractions. And when they do: blammo! bad trip, they discover they have no trust whatsoever :frown:

Take it down a notch and the whining starts.
"Booooring!" "Its better to take nothing at all"
Is it?
Is it really?

...Or is it because you can't shrug off particular slight or not-so-slight discomforts? Even on the low dose Mushrooms are stil 4-HO-DMT last time I checked :grin:
The ayahoasca served by Ayahuasca churches averages the potency of 0.5-2gr mushrooms.

A small dosage of mushrooms is every bit as divine as a high one.
But the main difference is that you don't get the flying colors and the wild ride. And despite all the fancy talk of personal growth most high dosers simply want to sit back and have it done to them, rather then sit up and do it all themselves aided by the Mushroom.

One capsule of mushrooms can hit you every bit as hard as 6 capsules can... if you do the work. If you open your mind to it you will GET the flying colors! Often it's quite subtle and you engage in to-the-point Deep Discussion with friends and meditation adventures, at other times you are gripped from beyond and get a lot to work with.

I used to be a high doser. But lying in the darkness on 1/2 gram of Liberty Caps I have been visited by a Spirit Teacher who laid it all down to me. And this grace would've been washed out by the splendor and roaring blaze of one-eighth or one-fourth.

With high doses ther might be More Lesson, but there is Less YOU to absorb and learn the lesson. You just stare blankly for two hours while you run through 1.000 Profound Teachings. And how many will you end up taking away from there?

And talk about fun, what's more fun: exploring the campsite and stalking ants to find out what they're doing, with your buddy playing his acoustic guitar under an Oak tree 50ft away by the campfire... or staring at a stick for two hours?

I dare you, high-dosers!
A camping trip in the woods AT NIGHT under a cloudless, moonless sky, you home Planet's surface under your ass and Infinity above, and this with say 1 gram of good mushrooms, in good company, in silent contemplation or sporadic whispered conversation.
If you -make- it happen you will never forget that and it beats watching the Turtles on one-eighth or playing that cool computer game -again-.

Forget about high doses and...

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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: happygolucky]
    #19352908 - 12/31/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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High doses have their place.




Indeed they do, EllemyshShade!
But there is a tendency towards high dosing and not expending any effort to make an experience worthwhile or working with the emerging of harsh personal material.

I see a trend where many high-dosers look down on low dosed trips and recommend extremely high doses to newbies.

When it comes to the cubie you very often hear one-eighth recommended to aspiring shroomers. Now excuse me but 3 grams pack a beastly wallop if you never used mushrooms before and the cubies are of good potency.

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Any more then 3 grams of mushrooms is almost overkill for me.




That might very well be! I did my 12 grams, but 3 grams for me has always been an overdose. Not that I couldn't handle it, but so much emerged that nothing was effectively dealt with.

Some people will think i'm off my rocker for saying "3gr/mental OD" but let me relate something:
Throughout the psychedelic literature you conmsistantly see the following stated dosages:

1-2mg psilocybin = onset
2-4mg light
4-8mg mild
8-10mg transition to fullblown psychedelic effects
10-20mg range of full effects

4-20mg therapeutic ratio.

Now then! Cubies usually contain between 6-12mg/gr Psilocybin, which brings 3 grams to a dose of 18-36mg Psilocybin. Somebody can easily feel flooded by 3 grams, because it was considered way above the therapeutic ratio for most therapists.
One-eighth is in fact closer to 20-40mg, a walloping amount.

Mushroom capsules, weighing 1/2 gram each, thus usually contain 3-6mg and especially when the strength is unknown I consider the most fruitful range to be 1-4 capsules (and I have rowed up 24 per tripper in the past)

Most people need the comfort of being able to RESIST the intensities of the mushroom to actually surrender to it. In the first dozen sessions the foundations of Trust must be laid between Tripper and Mushroom, as well as establishing whether they can stand mushrooms psychologically and neurologically.

Fools go rushing in, and when you suggest dosages to people, you are assuming responsibility over their well-being, even if you mentally cop out of that and know them just from one post on the Net.

People can do what I did and go for three microdots of LSD/12gr mushrooms, but people should remember that a high dose is nothing better then a low dose and it is rather that in the way Trippers handle a dose that falls short of expectation that you see their true willingness to work with what they got.

If people got one dose of mushrooms they want to go Astral/Spiritual on, but end up with mild effects and instead of dancing with the spirits they put on the TV it is not the mushrooms that fail, but rather their wilingness to do the work and build that Trip with their bare hands. If people want recreation then disappointment and loss of interest can be called for, but people who talk of Spirituality and Insight often are thrillseekers in disguise.

Seeking thrill is just as good as seeking the Divinity within, but being honest to yourself, true to your nature, and protective of your fellow man (even if it's just a n00b with 3 posts to his name) outweighs self-deceit and macho-ism.




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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: happygolucky]
    #19352987 - 12/31/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

I think people are full of shit...


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Nakor420]
    #19353758 - 01/01/14 05:15 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Haha, it's a shame this forum doesn't have the "give rep" feature! XD

I would have +1 on you for that. :laugh:

Once my next flush is done, I think I'll go for a nice 5g dry, right off the bat. 2.5g didn't do much for me and I really want to see the textures of things moving around and the walls breathing sounds like fun too!


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    #19353790 - 01/01/14 05:49 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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and I really want to see the textures of things moving around and the walls breathing sounds like fun too!




How about finding a girl like this and have her doing shrooms with you ?

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    #19353802 - 01/01/14 06:03 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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and I really want to see the textures of things moving around and the walls breathing sounds like fun too!




How about finding a girl like this and have her doing shrooms with you ?

:pantytail:




Oh wow... that would just be a dream come true! I'd love to do shrooms with a nice young lady. Apparently there's not too many who feel mutually about this though, so I guess I'm stuck with doing it by myself for the time being. :frown:


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    #19353813 - 01/01/14 06:14 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

:pantytail:




Oh wow... that would just be a dream come true! I'd love to do shrooms with a nice young lady. Apparently there's not too many who feel mutually about this though, so I guess I'm stuck with doing it by myself for the time being. :frown:




Ask you will receive  :alert:
see the textures of things moving around and the walls breathing Does sound like fun but your looking in the wrong places...

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    #19353826 - 01/01/14 06:35 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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    #19353866 - 01/01/14 07:12 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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I think people are full of shit...




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    #19355998 - 01/01/14 07:37 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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C'mon guys, lets all grow a pair :shrug:

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I've said it before, but scales are for little girls. You should sit down and munch until you're full.  I've eaten well over 30 dry grams before.  Remember, there is no OD threshold for psilocybin, so eat all you want. Besides, 2 grams dry is for very, very, very little girls.  I wouldn't waste time on less than at least three times that amount.
RR







Fuck that shit. This shit can make a person go insane. This doesn't sound like good advice at all. This is coming from a veteran too. This stuff can't hurt you physiologically, and you can't die from it, but it can fuck up a person's mind. Super doses are not for everyone, and I would go so far to say large doses are not for MOST people. I'm taking mushrooms to heal my brain, so I'll stick with the lower doses. More power to the large dose trippers, but calling people little girls for taking smaller doses of a very powerful substance is immature IMO.




ill agree that strong doses can be intimidating.. but im with RR on this one. ive had the best experiences when eating without scaling or any of that nonsense. i eat till i feel comfortable that its enough. for me, taking anywhere around a quarter has always done me good. ive easily eaten around 14-20g multiple times in the past, and its intense.. but it was always enjoyable, and a great learning experience (:

Also.. if you really think its gonna make you insane.. youve got the wrong mind set and you probably shouldnt be experimenting with this particular substance.


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: aomoriakuma]
    #19356724 - 01/02/14 12:09 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Yeah, cuz scaling is just nonsense.


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: happygolucky]
    #19356738 - 01/02/14 12:14 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

It's not gonna make anyone go insane,lol...



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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: happygolucky]
    #19356743 - 01/02/14 12:16 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

I may one day delve into huge doses of mushrooms, but for a newb who has never tried them, to read something like that, and go and eat a half ounce of dried shrooms, they'll probably never return to the mushroom again. And when you read above where someone said they ate 4 g's and considered a shotgun blast to the face to be a good idea at the time, yeah, I would say this shit can give you temporary psychosis.


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: happygolucky]
    #19356757 - 01/02/14 12:22 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

A guy told me he tripped LSD hundreds of times. The last time he ever did, he was on 13 hits. He said that he was considering jumping out of the window in hopes that the impact of the concrete would stop him from tripping. So I mean, what do you call that, a good time?


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: happygolucky]
    #19357191 - 01/02/14 03:13 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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happygolucky said:
A guy told me he tripped LSD hundreds of times. The last time he ever did, he was on 13 hits. He said that he was considering jumping out of the window in hopes that the impact of the concrete would stop him from tripping. So I mean, what do you call that, a good time?




I sincerely hope your friend is better now, but note that if he had jumped out of the window, it would have been more accurately described as a 'bad fall' than a 'bad trip'. :tongue2:


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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: happygolucky]
    #19357301 - 01/02/14 04:35 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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happygolucky said:
A guy told me he tripped LSD hundreds of times. The last time he ever did, he was on 13 hits. He said that he was considering jumping out of the window in hopes that the impact of the concrete would stop him from tripping. So I mean, what do you call that, a good time?




I call that LSD....not PSILOCYBIN



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