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happygolucky
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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: cronicr]
#19352887 - 12/31/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Umm.. I hate to break it to you but average quality shrooms on an average user with no tolerance are by NO means a "very light dose".
I often use 0.25-0.5gr of shrooms for introspection, discussion, forest appreciation and meditation.
0.75gr and up can at times cast me into extremely intense trip states. I let trips happen and so a little goes a long way.
1-1.5gr of shrooms for me reliably provides a fullblown trip that can be very challenging. Surfaces undulate and breathe, with closed eyes a wide panorama of visuals unfolds, "miracles" happen.
Most trippers do not appreciate small doses of mushrooms or never seek them out to begin with. That is a shame and their loss. When you occasoionally use small dosages you can do a tremendous amount of self-discovery and often have a great time doing it.
It's great to take 0.25-0.5gr and explore, and top that up with the same amount every third hour so you spend an entire day flying a couple of feet off the ground like Wilbur Wright rather than soaring in a jet plane and having a mighty thrill but missing most of the scenery.
Lie in your bed, warm and dark, and listen to your mind wandering while you don't actively think of something. VERY interesting, but small doses, like big doses, are an acquired taste.
With a small dose YOU have to make it happen, but it will still be the real 4-HO-DMT in your brain.
Usually.. 1 gram dried equals some 10 liberty caps.
My standard dosage for cubensis is 0.5 gram. It used to be 3 gram (~1/8 oz) and at one time it has been 10-12 gram. I reach 6'4" into the air and weigh little shy of 300 lbs.
But nowadays its 1/2 gram, which in the dried state is one mushroom capsule.. And the big LSD: done that, forever wearing the T-shirt!
I have been on the astral doses, and guess what? Tripping in some respects easier on the high dose. If you got a problem area in your life.. Hey don't think about it man: it's such a carnival you are distracted off of doing the work. And that is what keeps 9/10 "high-dosers" using high doses: because they simply do not (or cannot) deal with their life issues amidst the psychedelic onslaught of distractions. And when they do: blammo! bad trip, they discover they have no trust whatsoever 
Take it down a notch and the whining starts. "Booooring!" "Its better to take nothing at all" Is it? Is it really?
...Or is it because you can't shrug off particular slight or not-so-slight discomforts? Even on the low dose Mushrooms are stil 4-HO-DMT last time I checked  The ayahoasca served by Ayahuasca churches averages the potency of 0.5-2gr mushrooms.
A small dosage of mushrooms is every bit as divine as a high one. But the main difference is that you don't get the flying colors and the wild ride. And despite all the fancy talk of personal growth most high dosers simply want to sit back and have it done to them, rather then sit up and do it all themselves aided by the Mushroom.
One capsule of mushrooms can hit you every bit as hard as 6 capsules can... if you do the work. If you open your mind to it you will GET the flying colors! Often it's quite subtle and you engage in to-the-point Deep Discussion with friends and meditation adventures, at other times you are gripped from beyond and get a lot to work with.
I used to be a high doser. But lying in the darkness on 1/2 gram of Liberty Caps I have been visited by a Spirit Teacher who laid it all down to me. And this grace would've been washed out by the splendor and roaring blaze of one-eighth or one-fourth.
With high doses ther might be More Lesson, but there is Less YOU to absorb and learn the lesson. You just stare blankly for two hours while you run through 1.000 Profound Teachings. And how many will you end up taking away from there?
And talk about fun, what's more fun: exploring the campsite and stalking ants to find out what they're doing, with your buddy playing his acoustic guitar under an Oak tree 50ft away by the campfire... or staring at a stick for two hours?
I dare you, high-dosers! A camping trip in the woods AT NIGHT under a cloudless, moonless sky, you home Planet's surface under your ass and Infinity above, and this with say 1 gram of good mushrooms, in good company, in silent contemplation or sporadic whispered conversation. If you -make- it happen you will never forget that and it beats watching the Turtles on one-eighth or playing that cool computer game -again-.
Forget about high doses and...
MAKE it happen!
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happygolucky
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High doses have their place.
Indeed they do, EllemyshShade! But there is a tendency towards high dosing and not expending any effort to make an experience worthwhile or working with the emerging of harsh personal material.
I see a trend where many high-dosers look down on low dosed trips and recommend extremely high doses to newbies.
When it comes to the cubie you very often hear one-eighth recommended to aspiring shroomers. Now excuse me but 3 grams pack a beastly wallop if you never used mushrooms before and the cubies are of good potency.
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Any more then 3 grams of mushrooms is almost overkill for me.
That might very well be! I did my 12 grams, but 3 grams for me has always been an overdose. Not that I couldn't handle it, but so much emerged that nothing was effectively dealt with.
Some people will think i'm off my rocker for saying "3gr/mental OD" but let me relate something: Throughout the psychedelic literature you conmsistantly see the following stated dosages:
1-2mg psilocybin = onset 2-4mg light 4-8mg mild 8-10mg transition to fullblown psychedelic effects 10-20mg range of full effects
4-20mg therapeutic ratio.
Now then! Cubies usually contain between 6-12mg/gr Psilocybin, which brings 3 grams to a dose of 18-36mg Psilocybin. Somebody can easily feel flooded by 3 grams, because it was considered way above the therapeutic ratio for most therapists. One-eighth is in fact closer to 20-40mg, a walloping amount.
Mushroom capsules, weighing 1/2 gram each, thus usually contain 3-6mg and especially when the strength is unknown I consider the most fruitful range to be 1-4 capsules (and I have rowed up 24 per tripper in the past)
Most people need the comfort of being able to RESIST the intensities of the mushroom to actually surrender to it. In the first dozen sessions the foundations of Trust must be laid between Tripper and Mushroom, as well as establishing whether they can stand mushrooms psychologically and neurologically.
Fools go rushing in, and when you suggest dosages to people, you are assuming responsibility over their well-being, even if you mentally cop out of that and know them just from one post on the Net.
People can do what I did and go for three microdots of LSD/12gr mushrooms, but people should remember that a high dose is nothing better then a low dose and it is rather that in the way Trippers handle a dose that falls short of expectation that you see their true willingness to work with what they got.
If people got one dose of mushrooms they want to go Astral/Spiritual on, but end up with mild effects and instead of dancing with the spirits they put on the TV it is not the mushrooms that fail, but rather their wilingness to do the work and build that Trip with their bare hands. If people want recreation then disappointment and loss of interest can be called for, but people who talk of Spirituality and Insight often are thrillseekers in disguise.
Seeking thrill is just as good as seeking the Divinity within, but being honest to yourself, true to your nature, and protective of your fellow man (even if it's just a n00b with 3 posts to his name) outweighs self-deceit and macho-ism.
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Nakor420
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I think people are full of shit...
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juln
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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Nakor420]
#19353758 - 01/01/14 05:15 AM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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Haha, it's a shame this forum doesn't have the "give rep" feature! XD
I would have +1 on you for that. 
Once my next flush is done, I think I'll go for a nice 5g dry, right off the bat. 2.5g didn't do much for me and I really want to see the textures of things moving around and the walls breathing sounds like fun too!
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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: juln]
#19353790 - 01/01/14 05:49 AM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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juln said: and I really want to see the textures of things moving around and the walls breathing sounds like fun too!
How about finding a girl like this and have her doing shrooms with you ?
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juln
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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: bchighway]
#19353802 - 01/01/14 06:03 AM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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juln said: and I really want to see the textures of things moving around and the walls breathing sounds like fun too!
How about finding a girl like this and have her doing shrooms with you ?

Oh wow... that would just be a dream come true! I'd love to do shrooms with a nice young lady. Apparently there's not too many who feel mutually about this though, so I guess I'm stuck with doing it by myself for the time being.
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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: juln]
#19353813 - 01/01/14 06:14 AM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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Oh wow... that would just be a dream come true! I'd love to do shrooms with a nice young lady. Apparently there's not too many who feel mutually about this though, so I guess I'm stuck with doing it by myself for the time being. 
Ask you will receive see the textures of things moving around and the walls breathing Does sound like fun but your looking in the wrong places...
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juln
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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: bchighway] 1
#19353826 - 01/01/14 06:35 AM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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Now I really wish they had a rep system on here! XD
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Nakor420
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Re: First flush... B+ [Re: Nakor420]
#19353866 - 01/01/14 07:12 AM (10 years, 30 days ago) |
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Nakor420 said: I think people are full of shit...
Sorry bout this,haha last night was insane.
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aomoriakuma
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Pastywhyte said: C'mon guys, lets all grow a pair 
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RogerRabbit said: I've said it before, but scales are for little girls. You should sit down and munch until you're full. I've eaten well over 30 dry grams before. Remember, there is no OD threshold for psilocybin, so eat all you want. Besides, 2 grams dry is for very, very, very little girls. I wouldn't waste time on less than at least three times that amount. RR
Fuck that shit. This shit can make a person go insane. This doesn't sound like good advice at all. This is coming from a veteran too. This stuff can't hurt you physiologically, and you can't die from it, but it can fuck up a person's mind. Super doses are not for everyone, and I would go so far to say large doses are not for MOST people. I'm taking mushrooms to heal my brain, so I'll stick with the lower doses. More power to the large dose trippers, but calling people little girls for taking smaller doses of a very powerful substance is immature IMO.
ill agree that strong doses can be intimidating.. but im with RR on this one. ive had the best experiences when eating without scaling or any of that nonsense. i eat till i feel comfortable that its enough. for me, taking anywhere around a quarter has always done me good. ive easily eaten around 14-20g multiple times in the past, and its intense.. but it was always enjoyable, and a great learning experience (:
Also.. if you really think its gonna make you insane.. youve got the wrong mind set and you probably shouldnt be experimenting with this particular substance.
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happygolucky
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Yeah, cuz scaling is just nonsense.
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Nakor420
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It's not gonna make anyone go insane,lol...
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happygolucky
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I may one day delve into huge doses of mushrooms, but for a newb who has never tried them, to read something like that, and go and eat a half ounce of dried shrooms, they'll probably never return to the mushroom again. And when you read above where someone said they ate 4 g's and considered a shotgun blast to the face to be a good idea at the time, yeah, I would say this shit can give you temporary psychosis.
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happygolucky
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A guy told me he tripped LSD hundreds of times. The last time he ever did, he was on 13 hits. He said that he was considering jumping out of the window in hopes that the impact of the concrete would stop him from tripping. So I mean, what do you call that, a good time?
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juln
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happygolucky said: A guy told me he tripped LSD hundreds of times. The last time he ever did, he was on 13 hits. He said that he was considering jumping out of the window in hopes that the impact of the concrete would stop him from tripping. So I mean, what do you call that, a good time?
I sincerely hope your friend is better now, but note that if he had jumped out of the window, it would have been more accurately described as a 'bad fall' than a 'bad trip'.
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Nakor420
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happygolucky said: A guy told me he tripped LSD hundreds of times. The last time he ever did, he was on 13 hits. He said that he was considering jumping out of the window in hopes that the impact of the concrete would stop him from tripping. So I mean, what do you call that, a good time?
I call that LSD....not PSILOCYBIN
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