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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18938529 - 10/06/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:yawn:

Another dodge. His motivation (yet merely one more unsubstantiated projection by you) has no bearing on the fact that Hof never filed and Randi never reneged.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18938533 - 10/06/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nope not a dodge, it goes both ways and I just showed the other way.

I mean it is in his job description to debunk supernatural claims right?

Why isn't he debunking Wim Hoff then?

It's not in Wim Hof's job description to file a claim with Randi, but the opposite is true, so who is really dodging?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18938537 - 10/06/13 12:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Well, if you read what I wrote you can probably figure out what I'm talking about through the context given. (Willpower) Without external influence.



Well then chills are indeed induced. I induced them by arranging external influences. My hypothesis is that with practice you could move to internal influences, and then eventually perhaps through near pure willpower. Does this make sense to you?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18938539 - 10/06/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Can you elaborate? Are you simply using your will or are you using external influence?

If you are using things outside of you to cause chills, then you aren't inducing it with will(power) alone.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18938547 - 10/06/13 12:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

There is absolutely no point to go to randi, simply because there is no possible way you know if this is chi. On top of that you explain that chi is not necessarily supernatural, no?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18938551 - 10/06/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I know there is no point to go to Randi.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18938553 - 10/06/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Can you elaborate? Are you simply using your will or are you using external influence?

If you are using things outside of you to cause chills, then you aren't inducing it.




It's a process similar to the one pavlov used to train his dogs.

The external influences are mere training wheels. You move from external to internal until the ability becomes second nature.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18938554 - 10/06/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Cactilove said:
There is absolutely no point to go to randi, simply because there is no possible way you know if this is chi. On top of that you explain that chi is not necessarily supernatural, no?




No Shit, chi can't be measured or it wouldn't be chi, but the effects of chi can be measured in this case.

It would be like trying to measure Love.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18938562 - 10/06/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes, I understand it, but you have to be offered the contract first, so he only offers it to bull shitters. Big deal.





Not quite. He offered it to SOME public psychics such as Jon Edward, Uri Gellar and Sylvia Browne. It used to be open to anyone, but he and his staff spent so much time on cranks that the MDC is now limited to people who have shown some ability or become public figures for such claims.

Hof can file if he wants to and can do some talent not following known physics. Hof can take colder temperatures longer than any known man. Impressive, but someone has to be best. I would wager Hof loses the expected amount of weight from burning calories needed to keep himself warm. Can I do it? No.

If the record for a dead lift is 1100 pounds and someone goes to Randi and says he can lift 1150 pounds, do you think that should qualify? Could you do it? No. Doesn't make it supernatural.

Outline your extraordinary claim in detail. Demonstrate it. And then YOU APPLY for the MDC. Diploid has offered to help almost every single claimant on here to do it. Not one took the first step. They just whined.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18938567 - 10/06/13 12:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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No Shit, chi can't be measured or it wouldn't be chi, but the effects of chi can be measured in this case.



That is if it's the effects of Chi in the first place and not something like the normal functioning's of the sympathetic nervous system. :shrug:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18938572 - 10/06/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It's not supernatural or mystical if it can be measured. So there is no point in the contest or filing for it, and I don't think it is supernatural or mystical, but you do.

But you would also have to claim love is supernatural and mystical, so your point is moot.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18938576 - 10/06/13 12:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Cactilove said:
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No Shit, chi can't be measured or it wouldn't be chi, but the effects of chi can be measured in this case.



That is if it's the effects of Chi in the first place and not something like the normal functioning's of the sympathetic nervous system. :shrug:




So, why can't that be chi?  Chi was described long before the PSNS, and the piloerection is described as autonomous.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18938580 - 10/06/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
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Yes, I understand it, but you have to be offered the contract first, so he only offers it to bull shitters. Big deal.





Not quite. He offered it to SOME public psychics such as Jon Edward, Uri Gellar and Sylvia Browne. It used to be open to anyone, but he and his staff spent so much time on cranks that the MDC is now limited to people who have shown some ability or become public figures for such claims.

Hof can file if he wants to and can do some talent not following known physics. Hof can take colder temperatures longer than any known man. Impressive, but someone has to be best. I would wager Hof loses the expected amount of weight from burning calories needed to keep himself warm. Can I do it? No.

If the record for a dead lift is 1100 pounds and someone goes to Randi and says he can lift 1150 pounds, do you think that should qualify? Could you do it? No. Doesn't make it supernatural.

Outline your extraordinary claim in detail. Demonstrate it. And then YOU APPLY for the MDC. Diploid has offered to help almost every single claimant on here to do it. Not one took the first step. They just whined.





I'll make you this offer, you want to see me do it without anything around, come to my university, you can bring diploid and Randi with you if you want.

I don't find it to be at all extraordinary, albeit profound. I think anyone can do it if they follow similar training.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18938583 - 10/06/13 12:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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So, why can't that be chi?  Chi was described long before the PSNS, and the piloerection is described as autonomous.




If chi is the normal and widely understood functioning of the sympathetic nervous system, then I believe you. But we had evidence for this ages ago and this post would be rendered as pointless as making a post presenting objective evidence for the existence of jellyfish.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18938584 - 10/06/13 12:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Not when I'm taking over autonomous control. You don't get to do that by default bro, you have to work for it. This is just the surface of it. (What you see)


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18938585 - 10/06/13 12:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'll make you this offer, you want to see me do it without anything around, come to my university, you can bring diploid and Randi with you if you want.

Just name the time and date.




I wish I could be there. Make sure to film it guys.

Now tech, you still have to realize this isn't necessarily evidence for chi, even if diploid, orgone, randi, and the whole skeptics organization was present. All it means is that you have somehow managed to influence the actions of your autonomous nervous system and you seem to have a rather unique and pointless ability. PERIOD.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18938587 - 10/06/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You can come too, bring the whole shroomery.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18938589 - 10/06/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Not when I'm taking over autonomous control. You don't get to do that by default bro, you have to work for it. This is just the surface of it.




Everyone is born with the ability to control certain actions of their autonomous system. Just not usually goose bumps.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18938590 - 10/06/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Cactilove said:
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I'll make you this offer, you want to see me do it without anything around, come to my university, you can bring diploid and Randi with you if you want.

Just name the time and date.




I wish I could be there. Make sure to film it guys.

Now tech, you still have to realize this isn't necessarily evidence for chi, even if diploid, orgone, randi, and the whole skeptics organization was present. All it means is that you have somehow managed to influence the actions of your autonomous nervous system and you seem to have a rather unique and pointless ability. PERIOD.




No shit, so until we can measure exactly what is going on then we don't have a great definition of Qi still.

As I said, it is only evidence, not proof.

The only absolute truth is in experience. (First hand)


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18938594 - 10/06/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm broke. :frown: You should like win some bar bets with that skill and buy me a ticket.


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