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skullphuxxx
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amanita.... muscaria?
#18937695 - 10/05/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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found on the WI/MI border. under a conifer. i have found tons of yellow amanitas over the years. this is the first one with any red/orange. any help would be swell
 
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Looks like a muscaria var to me! More pics?
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: art2312]
#18937752 - 10/05/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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A. muscaria
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: Ganzig]
#18937798 - 10/05/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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you can kind of see the stem but it would be better to get pictures of the whole mushroom when dealing with amanita, mainly the base of the mushroom and the stipe (or stem) but it looks good to me and ganzig is like the local t.i. that just lost his tag in the laundry lol ...but its always comforting to here from a t.i. nice finds
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: Ganzig]
#18937809 - 10/05/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ganzig said: A. muscaria
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skullphuxxx
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: Joust]
#18937946 - 10/05/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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thanks! that was fast! iv been looking for them sense i was a kid,but only for the solid red cap.
there were only the 3
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: Joust]
#18938029 - 10/05/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Joust said:
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Ganzig said: A. muscaria
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skullphuxxx
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found these much much closer to home. they look like the last few i found but would like to make sure!
 
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skullphuxxx said: found these much much closer to home. they look like the last few i found but would like to make sure!
  
Almost looks like a mixed bunch... Muscaria & Gemmata (That Big one) But in looking at the stipes, volvas and your location, a safe guess is varied cap coloration of Amanita Muscaria Var. Guessowii.
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Are the first patch persicina or guessowii??? They look very orange...?
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: art2312]
#18956227 - 10/09/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nevermind...just saw allll that yellow sorry...on my phone
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i found these this morning they dont look the same,so i fingered id take a pic and see what yall think
 these were on the opposite side of the tree ware i found that monster
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The first ones are Amanita muscaria var. guessowii, if that's still what it's being called.
Your new ones are not.
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: canid]
#18956310 - 10/09/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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canid said: The first ones are Amanita muscaria var. guessowii, if that's still what it's being called.
Your new ones are not.
how could you tell? the only thing that made me think they were different was that they were under a oak tree otherwise they look the same to me.
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You need to study Amanita more closely.
To get you started; try to write a text description of the stipe bases of both mushroom collections.
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The pileus and the base are different, macroscopically speaking. Also, awesome handle "skullphuxxx" hahahahh.
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: art2312]
#18956386 - 10/09/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Based on OP's Location, guessowii fits better than persicina.
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art2312 said: Are the first patch persicina or guessowii??? They look very orange...?
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Yes, but persicina occur up NY/NJ also, if I'm not mistaken. I see that they are a.muscaria var guessowii now tho. Sorry about that.
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skullphuxxx said: i found these this morning they dont look the same,so i fingered id take a pic and see what yall think
 these were on the opposite side of the tree ware i found that monster
That color is almost citrina-like, but not much else. Definitely not Gemmata. Amanita Russuloides would be a good candidate. Definitely not Muscaria.
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: art2312]
#18956484 - 10/09/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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art2312 said: Yes, but persicina occur up NY/NJ also, if I'm not mistaken. I see that they are a.muscaria var guessowii now tho. Sorry about that.
Yeah, NY/NJ is about the most northern reaches of Persicina, from what I have read. Guessowii Is a little more west, and primarily north. OP is located in Wisconsin, assuming that his user info isn't disinformation.
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I'm not wonderful at identifying A. muscaria because they either don't grow in my area or they just have very good cloaking devices, but here's a simple checklist that you can use to see if it's A. muscaria or not. It must have all of these things to be one. If one of these is missing, you don't have A. muscaria:
1) Warts on the cap 2) Skirt-like annulus 3) Bulb and shaggy concentric rings up the base of the stipe (no sack-like volva)
Read the Guide to Hunting Fly Agarics in North America. It gives good info on look-alikes.
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skullphuxxx
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the only diff i can see is the yellow on the vial/stem . the base's look the same to me and yes im in WI
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: petepann]
#18979933 - 10/15/13 03:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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petepann said: Amanita muscaria var. guessowii will have three distinct concentric rings at the base...
They have any number of distinct to relatively distinct complete to broken rings at the base. This is a feature common to infrequent in much of the section, including all members of the immediate muscaria group.
Mushrooms can't count.
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: canid]
#18979941 - 10/15/13 03:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mushrooms can't count.
Sure they can!!
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: petepann]
#18979946 - 10/15/13 03:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Urgh. I'll be nice.
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: canid]
#18979971 - 10/15/13 04:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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canid said: Urgh. I'll be nice.
No reason NOT to be!! I come in peace. Seriously, though. The method I posted earlier was taught to me by R.E. Tulloss himself. A. guessowii has the rings at its base to where A. persicina does not.
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: petepann]
#18979994 - 10/15/13 04:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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And that is wonderful, until you expect it to be written in stone.
The description for the species is a little less simple than that, and I'm dubious that Dr. Tulloss does not know this.
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: canid]
#18980006 - 10/15/13 04:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well; in fairness I should say that it is in fact set in stone, but in the stone of the more exacting definition of the species as they are published.
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: canid]
#18980008 - 10/15/13 04:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes there are nomenclature changes being made as we speak. And yes there is a lot more to identifying than this method. But for quick field ID it has held true. For NOW, anyway.
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: petepann]
#18980014 - 10/15/13 04:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have read that. Is this based on this work or other?
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: canid]
#18980029 - 10/15/13 04:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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A different project entirely. All new and improved DNA testing being used in this 2013 project headed by Dr. Tulloss. He is needing samples of Amanitas from different parts of the US. But the pre-shipping procedures are a bit tedious. My difficulties lie in the drying procedure. It has to be conducted just right so as to preserve the DNA. I do not possess the proper equipment so I, unfortunately, have not been able to contribute to the cause.
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: petepann]
#18980042 - 10/15/13 04:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You have information on the requirements?
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: canid]
#18980068 - 10/15/13 05:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sure! Just give me a minute to locate it and I will post it up for you. Hold please...
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Re: amanita.... muscaria? [Re: petepann]
#18980081 - 10/15/13 05:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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