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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Heffy]
    #18934705 - 10/05/13 04:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you know what the CNS and PSNS is and what benefits you could gain by actually controlling it?



Of course I do. What evidence do you have that there is an invisible energy force that allows people to control them?

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You missed the ramifications or what it entails with shallow thinking and cynicism.



No I didn't. Obviously there are benefits developing the skill to control your mind and body. That is a different argument than the one you made in the OP.




Where are you getting these strawmen from?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Heffy]
    #18934711 - 10/05/13 04:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I think that doing it for the sake of gaining powers would be worthless anyway.



What is the purpose of the practice then?
Why do most of the established chi masters make a point of demonstrating their "powers"?
Why are you making videos in an attempt to demonstrate your "powers"?




What evidence do you have that most do?

I'm showing that there is a real phenomena behind all the bullshit.

What you can see is just barely touching the surface, and most people don't have visible evidence for what they can feel.

I post it because it is profound.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18934713 - 10/05/13 04:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The truth is probably hidden amongst the bullshit on purpose.

For the believers and cynics alike to chase, leaving it for a seeker to find.

Cynics have a lot more in common with believers than you would like to admit, they both believe and they are both cynical of things outside their beliefs.

There is a fine line between skepticism and cynicism.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18934733 - 10/05/13 04:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm showing that there is a real phenomena behind all the bullshit.

What you can see is just barely touching the surface, and most people don't have visible evidence for what they can feel.

I post it because it is profound.




All I saw was a video of you flexing your arm. I thought it was pretty ridiculous.
You claimed to have objective evidence of chi, now you are backpedaling.
Do you in fact have any evidence that movement of the hair on your arm is caused by chi and not say.....any number of other more plausible explanations?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18934749 - 10/05/13 04:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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cirque du soleil inspired me more :shrug:




Sounds interesting, Got a link?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Heffy]
    #18934751 - 10/05/13 04:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)





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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18934753 - 10/05/13 04:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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teknix said:
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CosmicJoke said:
cirque du soleil inspired me more :shrug:




Sounds interesting, Got a link?




Last one I saw was Ovo



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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18934760 - 10/05/13 04:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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All I saw was a video of you flexing your arm. I thought it was pretty ridiculous.
You claimed to have objective evidence of chi, now you are backpedaling.
Do you in fact have any evidence that movement of the hair on your arm is caused by chi and not say.....any number of other more plausible explanations?





I'm sorry that you prefer a supernatural definition.

The word qi was invented long before we have the knowledge we do now, so we can describe it better than they could in the past, but it doesn't change the fact that they were pointing towards and are pointing towards a legitimate phenomena.

(Nice jokes btw.)

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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18934768 - 10/05/13 04:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Actually wasn't my quote, but I suppose I was teasing ya.  Don't let that distract you from pursuing your mind/body connection though.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #18934774 - 10/05/13 05:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nah, it won't. I'm strong enough that words are of little consequence, which is why I posted tangible evidence of this energy that we have all felt at some point in our life and still hasn't been measured.

I know you have all felt it. Either at a concert, or at church, or when someone jumps out and scared you, or when someone flinched at you, or for whatever reason, you all have personal evidence of it, and to say it doesn't exist would require a truly cynical and closed mind.

It doesn't matter what you want to call it.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18934826 - 10/05/13 05:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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which is why I posted tangible evidence of this energy that we have all felt at some point in our life and still hasn't been measured.


:rofl2:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Heffy]
    #18934845 - 10/05/13 05:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Laugh all you want, it doesn't aid your argument. Are you denying that you have felt it even en passant? Then what is it, the feeling? Or better yet, how is it?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18934847 - 10/05/13 05:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How is it that you feel waves of energy coelesce through your body during a concert, can you measure those waves? If so then how? I know you would like to write it all off as a joke, but deep down you can't, because you know there is something there, even if it goes against what you believe or want to believe, such is the power of truth.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18934878 - 10/05/13 06:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I feel all kinds of things all the time. How do you know my spiritual feelings are caused by chi? This is just like when Christians say "all your love comes from god". Prove it.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Heffy]
    #18934903 - 10/05/13 06:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It's not caused by chi and it is not caused autonomously, it is caused by me, and that's what it is called.

IE; there isn't a definition for it so I can make one.

The only definition you have was the one that is not controlled by awareness.

So you feel waves of chi, how do you like that?

:heytherebadboy:

Now answer my questions:

Are you denying that you have felt it even en passant? Then what is it, the feeling? Or better yet, how is it? (P.S. it is always caused by you, you just don't realize it usually and don't usually control it.)


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18934914 - 10/05/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It's too bad that science hasn't gotten to the bottom of it to properly identify it, but it is definitely there, even if people who thought the earth was flat knew about it way back when and most of us still don't know about it today even with our great technology, we have to rely on the subjective teachings of the passed and sort out the truth for our self.

Kind of like love, can you measure that? Is love supernatural and non-existent?

How can you know that it exists?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18934921 - 10/05/13 06:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Even if you don't have visible evidence of it, many have self-evident evidence of it, because they can feel it in their body. And it generally comes from the practices beginning with meditation.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18937034 - 10/05/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't see shit in the video. Assuming you did get goose bumps and it was just my bad eyes that missed it, how do we know you didn't just use an outside source to facilitate such a reaction?

I was at a park one day, and there was this guy walking around a drum circle, he would go up to people and ask if he could show them something. He would stand aside them and place one hand on their chest and one on their upper or mid back. he would close his eyes and start breathing heavily, then he would rip his hands away from their body and the persons knees would often give out causing them to stumble, some would nearly pass out. They would report that they had a blissful feeling in their head.

I was skeptic so I went up to him and asked him what he was doing to those people. He explained in some esoteric terms that he was allowing energy to flow freely through their body or some shit. Any way I let him try it out on me and I also felt something. I felt like I was floating along the ground and was in an extremely relaxed, clear headed and in a peaceful mind state. It was undoubtedly a very strange feeling. Was it chi? I don't know. I doubt it. My theory is that it was all psychological. Who knows? Definatley one of the more interesting types of people that I have had the pleasure of meeting though, and it did leave me with something to think about. I just wish there was more people at the park who's psychological state I was familiar with. That way I might have been able to gauge what was actually going on a bit better.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18937665 - 10/05/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I didn't see shit in the video. Assuming you did get goose bumps and it was just my bad eyes that missed it, how do we know you didn't just use an outside source to facilitate such a reaction?








Like what outside source? my arms are in the frame the whole time, which makes it harder because it works better if I can move my arms around in kata.

I don't see why you guys find it so hard to believe, it seems like really simple low level stuff. If you pause it at 40 sec you can definitely see the goose bumps, or yes, you do have very poor eyesight, and maybe you can increase the video quality and maximize it to help.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix] * 2
    #18937677 - 10/05/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I vote this as 'Lame Thread of the Month'. You have demonstrated nothing.

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