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Re: First Reishi grow. [Re: Ganzig]
    #19093498 - 11/06/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Im so excited to grow this culture out.

It is doing just fine BTW. No contams or anything.





That's good to hear, I was wondering how it was working out for you.


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Re: First Reishi grow. [Re: Mrcloudy]
    #19709514 - 03/17/14 05:13 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry for the thread necromancy, but I have recently made the determination that the mushroom I thought was G.lucidum is not in fact G.lucidum but rather G. resinaceum. As it turns out G.lucidum does not occur in North America, so any species collected that have been identified as G. lucidum are something else entirely.

I have made this distinction after coming across resinaceum in literature a few times and remembering a fruit that a colleague of mine grew of my culture which extruded a brown crystalline resin. So to anyone that received a culture from me, it is not lucidum but is actually resinaceum. This likely explains the vigor with which it grows. Another thing I noticed is people claim their lucidum is hard as wood, and although mine is woody inside, it has a much softer texture than other reishi, almost a styrofoam type feel.  I am interested to see how it has performed for anyone else as well.

Again my appologies for the thread necromancy, just letting people know I misidentified my mushroom initially. I am still learning, when I found it I only knew of three Ganodermas, Lucidum, Tsugae, and Applanatum. And I do not wish to give out mislabelled cultures.


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Re: First Reishi grow. [Re: Mrcloudy]
    #19710949 - 03/17/14 10:31 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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As it turns out G.lucidum does not occur in North America, so any species collected that have been identified as G. lucidum are something else entirely.




What is your source on this?


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Re: First Reishi grow [Re: Forrester]
    #19711312 - 03/18/14 12:12 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

The mushroom known a Ganoderma lucidum was described from England. This study seems to confirm my identification of resinaceum. Specimens from all over the world were tested genetically and samples labelled G.lucidum  from the United States were shown to fit phylogenetically in with resinaceum. 

It also turns out that Ganoderma lucidum from china is yet another species, Ganoderma sichuanense. It would appear that Ganoderma is a very complicated genus with a high level of adaptability. I do not think that it has any major impact on the medicinal components in the mushrooms themselves, as they all seem to have a similar make up. I just noticed some inconsistencies between what I had read about G.lucidum and how my reishi grew out, I assumed it was due to my growing methods but the more I looked into it the clearer it all became.  It was mostly the texture, I have read that people have a hard time cutting reishi up, but I can take a conk from my reishi and rip it with my hands if I choose to. I have known for a while that my species was different than G.lucidum and recently I was able to put a name to it.

I do think that there are other Ganoderma species out there masquerading as G.lucidum, I don't think resinaceum is the only one. I think that the species are so similar that early mycologists didn't really distinguish them and they all got lumped in with G.lucidum. And that knowledge just kind of stayed until genetic testing hinted at something else.

This mushroom has been quite the learning experience for me, when I first found it, I knew next to nothing about reishi other than I was pretty sure that what I found was it. I try to learn everything that I can about what I am growing and working with, I have an incredible curiosity when it comes to the world of mushrooms.

*Edit* Honestly I did not actually have a source, I was going off from what Alan Rockefeller has posted a few times. So thank you for asking me for a source and making me actually do the research myself.:smile: That's how you really learn things.


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Re: First Reishi grow [Re: Mrcloudy]
    #19712148 - 03/18/14 08:21 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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*Edit* Honestly I did not actually have a source, I was going off from what Alan Rockefeller has posted a few times. So thank you for asking me for a source and making me actually do the research myself.:smile: That's how you really learn things.




Interesting info.  I'd say Alan is a good enough source!  There's a lot of varying, sometimes conflicting info when it comes to Ganoderma species, even from published authors.  I don't worry about it too much as I think the medicinal qualities are similar enough, but it is interesting to try and learn about.


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Re: First Reishi grow [Re: Forrester]
    #21058427 - 01/02/15 09:20 PM (9 years, 27 days ago)

bringing it back from the dead, again. mrcloudy, did alan or any other sources have anything to say about the differences in medicinal qualities between the european G. lucidum and the North American Ganoderma species, particularly resinaceum?


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Re: First Reishi grow [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21062338 - 01/03/15 05:11 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

I have done a great deal of research since the last time this thread was commented on. As far as the European Ganoderma lucidum, I am not sure if there have been any studies that have looked at it in particular, it can be hard to clarify because the name has been miss applied so many times. But from what I can tell, most studies that have looked at G.lucidum have been looking at the Asian mushroom (Ganoderma lingzhi).

I have not seen any studies that have looked at many North American species, there is one somewhere that looked at G"applanatum" (Probably G.brownii) form British Columbia. There are a few that have looked at G.resinaceum no location data, and the North American species of resinaceum is also distinct from the European resinaceum.


The research so far indicates that the Asian species contains the highest number of medicinal compounds and in the highest levels. There needs to be a lot more research done, but first someone has to clarify the species, so that proper names are being used, otherwise you will get one study who looks at G.lucidum from one part of the world, conclude it has little or no medicinal value and further confusing the situation because they got the wrong mushroom.

I have been looking for ways for an amateur to quantify the medicinal compounds in the Ganoderma. Me and Ryan have a decent cross section of species to begin testing once we find someone with the knowledge and equipment willing to help us out. We have sent off a large bunch of samples for genetic sequencing, this will help to clarify Ganoderma, especially on the Eastern half of the US. We are hoping to test different strains within the same species as well to see if there is a variance of medicine within a species.


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Re: First Reishi grow [Re: Mrcloudy]
    #21062435 - 01/03/15 05:28 PM (9 years, 26 days ago)

you and ryan are doing great work. i wish i had access to a gas chromatograph. you would be able to run tests for almost all organic compounds using that technique. maybe a university student studying organic chemistry could help you out. or, i have heard that some cannabis shops in denver have purchased gas chromatographs to test their products....or you might be able to pay a lab but i bet that would be expensive


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Re: First Reishi grow [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21131621 - 01/16/15 11:04 PM (9 years, 13 days ago)

Damn Cloudy, you've come a long way since the beginning of this post :wink:

Definitely interested to see anything you find out in the variations of medicinals across species! 

Also, sorry I haven't gotten you that culture I promised yet.  Dealing with a lot of new-house issues and haven't had time to do SHIT.  My culture fridge also decided to leak water all over everything I had in it so I don't know if anything in there is even viable/un-contaminated... but hopefully I'll have time to look into it one of these days. 

Anyway, thanks for your continued work and great information :smile:

Hopefully I'll be back around more in the near future, in the mean time I'm trying to become an HVAC expert :lol:


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Re: First Reishi grow [Re: Forrester]
    #21132679 - 01/17/15 08:32 AM (9 years, 12 days ago)

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Damn Cloudy, you've come a long way since the beginning of this post :wink:

Definitely interested to see anything you find out in the variations of medicinals across species! 

Also, sorry I haven't gotten you that culture I promised yet.  Dealing with a lot of new-house issues and haven't had time to do SHIT.  My culture fridge also decided to leak water all over everything I had in it so I don't know if anything in there is even viable/un-contaminated... but hopefully I'll have time to look into it one of these days. 

Anyway, thanks for your continued work and great information :smile:

Hopefully I'll be back around more in the near future, in the mean time I'm trying to become an HVAC expert :lol:




It has been quite an experience, I have collected somewhere around 30 different Ganoderma cultures and out of  the ones I fruited, my original culture here is the fastest of them. Quite a way to start. This is the one I sent you Niki.

I will definitely keep you all posted if we manage to figure out the medcinal content. Last we discussed it Ryan was looking into contacting some local testing centers for Medicinal Cannabis, since they are likely to have Gas Chromatographs and mass spectrometers. He also has a decent number of European species he just got in and plans to sequence, that should be interesting. I am looking forward to that culture Forrester, take your time sounds like you have a lot on your plate at the moment.


Here are some spores from one of my original fruits seen under my new microscope, this thing is a major improvement.



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Re: First Reishi grow [Re: Mrcloudy]
    #21133060 - 01/17/15 10:50 AM (9 years, 12 days ago)

where do you guys send your samples to be sequenced?

and i'll have to take a pic of how the culture you sent me is doing. I spawned it to alder/oak sawdust and pine woodchps and it colonized in only 2 weeks (4 lbs of substrate) and began pinning. the fruit is odd, though. it keeps growing about an inch tall, then turning back down for the block and makes arches...


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Re: First Reishi grow [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21133085 - 01/17/15 10:56 AM (9 years, 12 days ago)

We are sending them to a professor at the University of Minnesota, Dr Robert Blanchette.

Arches, that is odd, Is the light source from the side at all?


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Re: First Reishi grow [Re: Mrcloudy]
    #21133231 - 01/17/15 11:30 AM (9 years, 12 days ago)

it was but i moved it two days ago. do you think that was the problem? i suspected it was? are they very sensitive to light?


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Re: First Reishi grow [Re: knomadic_niki]
    #21133467 - 01/17/15 12:27 PM (9 years, 12 days ago)

I have not experimented with it much, always had the light directly or mostly above the fruits. Though I have read that it can have an impact.


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Re: First Reishi grow [Re: Mrcloudy]
    #21134021 - 01/17/15 02:24 PM (9 years, 12 days ago)

there is a light above them but there is also a light in front of the shelves over out indoor garden. maybe its confused by that. like i said, two days ago i moved it to the floor. maybe it will start growing up towards the light now

there is another thread i just noticed by oyster bob, saying his reishi kit produced antlers in vitro and he has been rotating the bag in front of a window, which made the antlers grow in a spiral shape. they must be sensitive to it. that's kind of cool. you could encourage them to grow in fun shapes using light


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