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OfflineTheFoolOnTheHill
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Brown Fly Agarics?
    #18936983 - 10/05/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Habitat:
mixed forest.

Gills:
Color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc.

Stem:
Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc.

Cap:
Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc.

Spore print color:
Very important!

Bruising:
Color that the mushroom bruises, if any.

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Picked some FlyAgarics today in Germany. Between the red ones there were also a lot of brownish specimens. I want to be sure if those are FlyAgarics too. is it usual that they turn into this brown tone?
im a little scared of Amanita Phalloides...
by the way it was raining pretty heavy that day


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: TheFoolOnTheHill]
    #18937027 - 10/05/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Probably Amanita pantherina. They can contain dangerously high levels of the same drugs in A. muscaria, and are best avoided.


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: TheFoolOnTheHill]
    #18937038 - 10/05/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Could be Amanita pantherina. Did they have an annulus at some point?


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: o8u]
    #18937039 - 10/05/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They are a bit past it either way.


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: Untitled]
    #18937111 - 10/05/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So muscaria do turn brown with age ? ...
Yes some of them had an annulus i remember. propably broke it when i picked them because now i can only find one specimen with an annulus :


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: TheFoolOnTheHill]
    #18937116 - 10/05/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They do NOT turn brown with age. The one you have just happens to grow brown.

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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18937139 - 10/05/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:fatfear:  Poison.


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #18937203 - 10/05/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

its kinda weird cause from what i know they turn brown from the sun ...
ive never seen that many brownies before in that particular forest. i dont think its pantherina. if so that must have been a shitload of them and i never seen them before. theyre pretty rare


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: TheFoolOnTheHill]
    #18937210 - 10/05/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Your avatar is awful.  It really creeps me right out! :paranoid:


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: TheFoolOnTheHill] * 1
    #18937225 - 10/05/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Those are Amanita phalloides.  Deadly.


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: Ganzig] * 1
    #18937283 - 10/05/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Your avatar is awful.  It really creeps me right out! :paranoid:



:grin:  This is my real face  ...


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: jet li]
    #18937319 - 10/05/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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jet li said:
Those are Amanita phalloides.  Deadly.



There are a lot of similaritys definately ... ill just throw em away and stick to red fly agarics in the future ...


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: TheFoolOnTheHill]
    #18937322 - 10/05/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You did not eat these did you Fool?


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18937350 - 10/05/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

HAHA no man ... i have some brain left ...
im eating on these right now


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: TheFoolOnTheHill]
    #18937378 - 10/05/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Haha, good good.


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18937402 - 10/05/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

When I find Panther Amanitas they are usually very very very abundant... specially in pine forests.... for ever red one I see in a pine forest Ill see 30 panthers...


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: jet li]
    #18937454 - 10/05/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Those are Amanita phalloides.  Deadly.




Out of Curiosity, what features did you use to determine on phalloides vs patherina?


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #18938170 - 10/05/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The coloration of the stipe is rarely that beige color in Pantherina and the base the stipe is too small.


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: jet li]
    #18939395 - 10/06/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What about Amanita Regalis ??  possible


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: TheFoolOnTheHill]
    #18939838 - 10/06/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The stipe again. regalis has a white stipe sometimes slightly yellow.


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: Ganzig]
    #18940765 - 10/06/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Any splits around the bulb?

I am thinking that the Coloration in the stipe is because of moisture/saturation... and dirt, that you can clearly see all over them..

My opinion is that this is a light colored Patherina or possibly Brunnescens.

It doesnt have the greenish-sheeny-streaky look of the cap that phalloides usually has...

My Assessment:

Definitely not a Muscaria, Lacks the Color and the Bracelets.

Not a Warty Deathcap because there is not a tinge of yellow~
The same reason is why it is not Amanita Flavorubescens.

Doubt its a Real or False Death Cap because it lacks the typical look/color in the caps and volva sac is not as defined as usual..
-could've been rubbed off or something? Though, one of the mushrooms pictured has more of a sac similar to that of phalloides.

I doubt its a Gem because there is no blushing and the color is too brown, though structurally its comparable.

Hard to say about the Blusher, but unlikely... could be the reason for the stem coloration?
-not sure if the photo accurately depicts the colors?

The brown coloration in both the cap and stem is similar to the Cleft-Foot Amanita, but I dont see the cleft traits and the bulb is not the typical shape of Brunnescens... there is also no streaky'ness to the cap...
-but maybe its because of water saturation? There is also no noticeable prominence in the center of the cap, but I suppose it could be conditional?

The Visual Features match the Panther the most... The Cap Color, Bulb Shape, Volva, collar-like roll of veil tissue remnants, etc... However, the browning of the stem is not always typical.. However both the European and American Panthers both can become 'tan' in age.. not as a bruise, but as a change in coloration...
-again, perhaps its the water saturation?

And it looks nothing like any of the other Amanitas that I know of, so its not them.

So my Conclusion from Visual Inspection with the pictures and info given, location considered, I would say it is likely Amanita Pantherina. :grin:

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Light-Colored Pantherina (One on the Left showing the Tan in age)



Amanita pantherina v. velatipes



Amanita Gemmata



Amanita Francheti



Amanita Phalloides



Amanita Citrina



Amanita Rubescens



Amanita Brunnescens



Amanita Ameripanthera



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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: rev0kadavur] * 1
    #18943527 - 10/07/13 05:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i threw the brown ones away yesterday. i also dont think they are amanita phalloides but if im not 100% sure what mushroom i have i dont eat it


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Re: Brown Fly Agarics? [Re: TheFoolOnTheHill]
    #18944138 - 10/07/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:super:

Was using your mushroom to refine my ID skills....
Trying to learn the families in detail and structuring my self education.
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