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Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression
#18936821 - 10/05/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seems to work. I mean....I work out, I stay busy intellectually and creatively, I eat well and drink plenty of water, and I'm still chronically depressed. Maybe I need to get laid. Being socially dysfunctional, I'll just drink my liver to death. It seems to be working, at least for the time being. I'll be a full blown alcoholic eventually. I'm warming up to that reality.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: ReginaldPMcpoop]
#18936839 - 10/05/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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a toast to people who drink to deal with stress and depression.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: ReginaldPMcpoop] 2
#18936845 - 10/05/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, dude. Using alcohol to deal with stress/depression is a vicious, downward cycle. No wonder you're still chronically depressed.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: ReginaldPMcpoop]
#18936852 - 10/05/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea you prob just need some pussy/cock (dont know if your a dude/girl XD). i could be so busy and fulfilled and still be depressed if i cant get any ass lol... But i find using alcohol to mask pain/depression isnt very good. hell masking anything with a drug isnt good but i mean hell everyone who uses has done it so i cant sit on my high horse shit ive taken psyches to get outta depression and it actually has worked for me and against me..
The cool thing is at least drinking you could probably get laid hella easy too! and dude im socially weird too i think alcohol will be your worst enemy due to the fact if you cant be social without it.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Penelope_Tree]
#18936855 - 10/05/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Penelope_Tree said: No, dude. Using alcohol to deal with stress/depression is a vicious, downward cycle. No wonder you're still chronically depressed.
Depression comes before alcohol.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: ReginaldPMcpoop] 2
#18936871 - 10/05/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It comes after also except worse. Continue on this path and you will find out the hard way.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: LordSenate]
#18936883 - 10/05/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Guess I'll just have to exercise harder
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: ReginaldPMcpoop]
#18936891 - 10/05/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe you should smoke some weed instead?
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: CosmicDreamin]
#18936893 - 10/05/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, weed makes me feel even worse
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: ReginaldPMcpoop]
#18936925 - 10/05/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I see. Sorry to hear you're depressed. Maybe you should try painting or learning an instrument to keep you more occupied and fulfilled? Idk, good luck!
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: CosmicDreamin]
#18936931 - 10/05/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do both of those things rofl
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: ReginaldPMcpoop]
#18936991 - 10/05/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ReginaldPMcpoop said: Guess I'll just have to exercise harder
So you'd rather double-down on exercising instead of cutting back on the booze?
I think "eventually" is here.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Penelope_Tree]
#18937032 - 10/05/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wonder how weight lifting would work when you are shaking like a leaf.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: LordSenate]
#18937048 - 10/05/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not well at all, I'd bet.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Penelope_Tree]
#18937634 - 10/05/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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don't due it. its easy, too easy. I'm not saying dont drink or never get drunk. But don't make getting drunk nightly to deal with your problems. It is a quick way to addiction.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: ReginaldPMcpoop]
#18937655 - 10/05/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i hear you brotha.. been in a similar boat tho i do not wish to become an alcoholic... so as of late, ive been really good about toning down the drinking... especially when it comes to drinking as a means of dealing with emotional stress, anxiety, depression etc
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: evildee125]
#18938546 - 10/06/13 12:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I drink from time to time. At least once a week. Ill have 3 or 4 beers (which I consider allot). Sometimes you just HAVE to unwind and a substance such as alcohol can help with that
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Almond Flour]
#18938654 - 10/06/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you HAVE to unwind, there are much better ways of doing it then drinking alcohol or doing drugs.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: LordSenate]
#18939993 - 10/06/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea like jogging until your chest hurts
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: LordSenate]
#18940636 - 10/06/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LordSenate said: If you HAVE to unwind, there are much better ways of doing it then drinking alcohol or doing drugs.
Bullshit....sometimes its the only thing that fully unhinges you. If you are smart about it....it can be responsibly. But don't feed me or anyone that bullshit that a jog is akin to 3 quality fully hoped craft beers
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Almond Flour]
#18941317 - 10/06/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LordSenate said: If you HAVE to unwind, there are much better ways of doing it then drinking alcohol or doing drugs.
Bullshit....sometimes its the only thing that fully unhinges you. If you are smart about it....it can be responsibly. But don't feed me or anyone that bullshit that a jog is akin to 3 quality fully hoped craft beers 
There is never a situation that only alcohol or drugs can help you unwind. You obviously aren't looking hard enough for something different. Roll your eyes all you want but it sounds like you are just making excuses to drink. I wasn't born yesterday I have dealt with some pretty extreme situations and what you suggest only makes them worse in the long run.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: LordSenate]
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LordSenate said: If you HAVE to unwind, there are much better ways of doing it then drinking alcohol or doing drugs.
Bullshit....sometimes its the only thing that fully unhinges you. If you are smart about it....it can be responsibly. But don't feed me or anyone that bullshit that a jog is akin to 3 quality fully hoped craft beers 
There is never a situation that only alcohol or drugs can help you unwind. You obviously aren't looking hard enough for something different. Roll your eyes all you want but it sounds like you are just making excuses to drink. I wasn't born yesterday I have dealt with some pretty extreme situations and what you suggest only makes them worse in the long run.
Maybe for you....but believe it or not some folks can indulge responsibly and with temperance. Just because you choose to blow your alcohol consumption through the roof when you drink is no reason to condemned the activity.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Almond Flour]
#18941511 - 10/06/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LordSenate said: If you HAVE to unwind, there are much better ways of doing it then drinking alcohol or doing drugs.
Bullshit....sometimes its the only thing that fully unhinges you. If you are smart about it....it can be responsibly. But don't feed me or anyone that bullshit that a jog is akin to 3 quality fully hoped craft beers 
There is never a situation that only alcohol or drugs can help you unwind. You obviously aren't looking hard enough for something different. Roll your eyes all you want but it sounds like you are just making excuses to drink. I wasn't born yesterday I have dealt with some pretty extreme situations and what you suggest only makes them worse in the long run.
Maybe for you....but believe it or not some folks can indulge responsibly and with temperance. Just because you choose to blow your alcohol consumption through the roof when you drink is no reason to condemned the activity.
It must be nice to make assumptions about peoples use of alcohol. For anyone that uses alcohol or drugs to unwind eventually you will be taking more and more. Everyone starts out using drugs and alcohol responsibly but when you are using them to just unwind and make you feel better more often then not you eventually lose control.
You can say I am wrong as much as you want but that won't change the fact that this is what I have seen the vast majority of the time including in myself.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: LordSenate]
#18941525 - 10/06/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe I need to get laid.
It's not a maybe. Socializing and getting laid are definitely a big slice of the pizza of life. If you could get an actual relationship going that'd be ideal, but yeah, first things first.
And just let me get this straight - are you in Siberia, on an oil rig or down a mine shed where there are physically no females to interact with, OR you're reasonably fit, active, not retarded, even creative, AND there are females around you, you just need to move them from wherever they are to naked in your bed?
Because this last part is strictly a skill-based thing, totally learnable. Used to think it's not, but it is. Quite straightforward if you put your time in. About as difficult as learning to drive well, equal number of hours required. If you're already fit and have some content in your head, most of your work is already done. Learn some PUA, apply, land some nice girls and see if things don't massively improve. RSD Julien on Youtube for instance is a decent point to start with. I'd look at Mystery and DeAngelo as well, plenty of free quality info out there, very valuable as it's in video format, you can actually see what you're supposed to be doing. I doubt you're more socially dysfunctional than I was when I started.
Suck on not bottles 
Oh and if you try low dose shrooms as a socializing aid, IMO it will help you way more than alcohol. Don't combine, do one or the other, do your own testing, see what works.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Spacerific]
#18941561 - 10/06/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can socialize extremely well and have no problems getting women when I want to. However I have just got done with a very long length of substance abuse and a vast majority of other issues. I am going through treatment for PTSD and substance abuse (the second part of it) I have a lot of problems and the last thing I need is to be with a women that could possibly make it worse. I can last a while longer without any sexual interactions, it will pay off in the end.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Almond Flour]
#18943022 - 10/07/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LordSenate said: If you HAVE to unwind, there are much better ways of doing it then drinking alcohol or doing drugs.
Bullshit....sometimes its the only thing that fully unhinges you. If you are smart about it....it can be responsibly. But don't feed me or anyone that bullshit that a jog is akin to 3 quality fully hoped craft beers 
Do you even jog bro? 
A good run can absolutely be a resource to unwind. The feeling after a good run can be comparable to a a psychedelic high.
I'm not arguing that responsible drinking can't, but in regards to op, responsible drinking doesn't seem like a viable option.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: LordSenate]
#18943253 - 10/07/13 02:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LordSenate said: I can socialize extremely well and have no problems getting women when I want to. However I have just got done with a very long length of substance abuse and a vast majority of other issues. I am going through treatment for PTSD and substance abuse (the second part of it) I have a lot of problems and the last thing I need is to be with a women that could possibly make it worse. I can last a while longer without any sexual interactions, it will pay off in the end.
Mate I think you might benefit from expanding your framework about interacting with women. Find a few friends with benefits (or at least one) and stick to the plan. No seeing the same woman several days in the same week, definitely not on consecutive days, making it clear that you've been out of some issues (say it's been with other women, don't even mention drug abuse) and just need some time before getting into anything serious again. Spend some nice time and have some easy chill rolling in the hay together, and keep it clear that this is it for now.
There are definitely women out there in your exact situation, out of long relationships, not ready for a new one, still need a good massage, conversation, someone to hold them a few evenings a week. Just don't go overboard and start taking things too seriously too fast, and you'll be fine. Nothing as refreshing as a friendly relationship that everybody agrees is not heading for marriage, or in fact anywhere other than friendship, all sex being casual and chill, and talking like you're with one of the guys, because hell, why pretend?
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: ReginaldPMcpoop]
#18947426 - 10/07/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Reginald, dude, just get off the sauce now. You might still work out, be busy "intellectually and creatively", and eat well. I used to be all of that too. You speak casually about how you'll just drink your liver to death. Well I'm unfortunately alot closer to that actual prospect than you are, and let me tell you, it SUCKS. There is nothing cool or romantic about it. I wake up every morning and my stomach hurts...not stomach cramps, or bloating, but real, unflinching pain.
It's easy to drink carelessly in your youth, even knowing about alcohol's effects on the liver, primarily because the future seems so far away. But it will only get worse if you keep going at this rate. Much worse. Booze does offer some form of alleviation to one's woes, but that relief becomes thinner and thinner until you're not really alleviating any of your problems, and you'll notice that it eventually exacerbates or even creates the problems in your life. It is annoying trying to quit the sauce when you're young. Trying to quit when you're 10+ years in is downright burdensome. You won't drink to alleviate your woes, you will drink because if you don't you'll start shaking, vomiting, or at the very least be overcome by a sea of nerves. Being sober after years of being constantly drunk is an almost impossible feeling, even walking and breathing feel unfamiliar. I have a friend who is, somehow, even worse off than I am. He comes out of the bathroom sometimes and casually mentions how he just vomited blood. He won't see a doctor because as he says, "why pay a doctor to tell me something I already know'.
The life of a true alcoholic is a sad one. It is a pretty goddamn bleak scene when you reach the end of it. You'll likely burn some bridges; lose jobs, ruin meaningful relationships, etc. The sheer loneliness is infinitely more painful than any of the physical effects. I have lost so much over the last several years, it amazes me at times to think about. You can say fuck the world and drink in isolation all you want, but don't be surprised if the world forgets about you.
I woke up in a park the other morning, without any real recollection of getting there. I've been kicked out of more bars than I can count, and hey, I'm a nice guy! If you want to just cut loose on the weekends and rage it up with your friends, cool. If you think you're going to drink heavily day in and day out, and not end up being miserable and alone, think again.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Soularize]
#18949125 - 10/08/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The life of a true alcoholic is a sad one. It is a pretty goddamn bleak scene when you reach the end of it. You'll likely burn some bridges; lose jobs, ruin meaningful relationships, etc. The sheer loneliness is infinitely more painful than any of the physical effects. I have lost so much over the last several years, it amazes me at times to think about. You can say fuck the world and drink in isolation all you want, but don't be surprised if the world forgets about you.
Yeah I know. My mother is an alcoholic and she is definitely miserable and alone. I can barely stand visiting her because it's so god-damned depressing. The only place in the world that I can go and feel even shittier than usual is my own mother's house.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: ReginaldPMcpoop]
#18949493 - 10/08/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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IIRC, alcoholism has a genetic factor to it. In all seriousness, you may want to talk to your mom about counseling, even suggesting going with her for support. It could be good for both of you. At the end of the day, though, you are only responsible for your own actions. If she refuses to go, you could still benefit from going.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Penelope_Tree]
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OP, why are you thinking about your problem in such simple terms?
How many Aya ceremonies have you tried, before giving up and accepting your failure, turning to the bottle? What better use do you have for your time energy and money, than getting your shit together and getting all the peyote sweat lodges and/or ayahuasca ceremonies that are required to get your brain chemistry back on track and working right? Both of them have been shown to work with depression and alcohol abuse, and the voyage / pilgrimage itself is a great project to undertake.
You have an alcoholic mother, you've seen first hand what alcohol abuse can lead to, and yet you're "warming up to that reality"? What kind of lazy redneck thinking is that? I know you must be capable of a better plan than that.
What's it even going to cost you, to reach your closest peyote / aya ceremony? Have you done the math on it?
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Spacerific]
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What's it even going to cost you, to reach your closest peyote / aya ceremony? Have you done the math on it?
I don't know rofl. I'm too busy with grad school.
I've partaken in homegrown shrooms a few times in the past. That's the most experience with psychedelic culture I've had. Nowadays the most psychedelic thing I do is listen to Shpongle.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: ReginaldPMcpoop]
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Ok but you are aware there may be say, some NAC people in your area, that you have no idea about simply for lack of searching? You could probably spare an evening a month to join up, right? If Christians spare each Sunday and Muslims spare 5 prayer times a day every day, I'm sure you could find a tripping day in a month 
Not sure if and how the NAC even accept new people, but it only takes some googling and emailing to find out.
Or if not, at least keep on shrooming 
Best if you can do it somewhat regular, and/or if you find some fellow trippers, then stuff gets interesting.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Spacerific]
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I've been where it is really hard to make a lifestyle change capable of mollifying the stress I felt so I turned to a couple doses of kratom per week and occassional MXE. In retrospect I don't regret it at all. I use them much less now. Not necessarily am suggesting that, but in my experience it is a hell of a lot better than using alcohol. Alcohol will deplete your b-vitamins and magnesium (I think?) making you even more susceptible to stress.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Spacerific]
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Spacerific said: Ok but you are aware there may be say, some NAC people in your area, that you have no idea about simply for lack of searching? You could probably spare an evening a month to join up, right? If Christians spare each Sunday and Muslims spare 5 prayer times a day every day, I'm sure you could find a tripping day in a month 
Not sure if and how the NAC even accept new people, but it only takes some googling and emailing to find out.
Or if not, at least keep on shrooming 
Best if you can do it somewhat regular, and/or if you find some fellow trippers, then stuff gets interesting.
Dude, what are NAC people? Sorry if it has already been explained, but I skimmed the thread and couldn't figure it out and silly Google thought it was either a media group or an amino acid.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Epigallo]
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The fine folk at the Native American Church  
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Spacerific]
#18970224 - 10/12/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh really? I'm not sure how I would feel about going to one of those. I feel like it would be weird, but maybe I just don't have the balls.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Spacerific]
#18970225 - 10/12/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Charles bukowski and a toast to those who had their lives ruined by alcohol i personally got bored of alcohol but i do it time to time i just feel muffled when drunk, good sleep aid and helps me get through boring or annoying shit without being completely which is what i usually do.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Epigallo]
#18971198 - 10/13/13 06:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bradley said: Oh really? I'm not sure how I would feel about going to one of those. I feel like it would be weird, but maybe I just don't have the balls.
Having some experienced trippers that know what they're doing and have tents and drums and feathers and everything for an awesome trip, and a somewhat stable supply of actual peyote?
Yeah I see how that would totally suck 
If we had anything like the NAC here I would be out there RIGHT NOW doing whatever it takes for them to let me in. Short of surgery and gay sex of course, but that's about it
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For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. - Matthew 13:16
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Spacerific]
#18971610 - 10/13/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It does sound pretty cool when you put it that way. 
It's probably the fact that I'm not Native American that would make me feel awkward, if they even accept non Native Americans.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Epigallo]
#18971936 - 10/13/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Only one way to find out. Oh and do get your explicit refusals from any and ALL Native Americans around your area, don't be lazy about this stuff. If even one dude accepts you in their Peyote ceremonies, that could mean years of quality tripping for you. Nothing like getting 1-2 refusals and giving up, when in fact some other guy down the street would have said oh ok, why not. If need be,start developing a native heritage all of a sudden, say you just found out you had a Sioux great grandfather or something, and now you want to get back to your roots 
Just do your research properly. Or start hanging out with natives more, get into the culture a bit.
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For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. - Matthew 13:16
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Spacerific]
#18973329 - 10/13/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe. Did you say that you have actually gone to one of these ceremonies? This is going to sound biased, and it is - although possibly from a standpoint of ignorance - but I am attracted to something like this for the sense of community. I know Native Americans communities have huge problems with alcoholism and crime due to the poverty imposed on them by the U.S. government. It just makes me question would I be connecting with smart, upstanding people? Is this not a reasonable question?
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Epigallo]
#18977311 - 10/14/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bradley said: Maybe. Did you say that you have actually gone to one of these ceremonies? This is going to sound biased, and it is - although possibly from a standpoint of ignorance - but I am attracted to something like this for the sense of community. I know Native Americans communities have huge problems with alcoholism and crime due to the poverty imposed on them by the U.S. government. It just makes me question would I be connecting with smart, upstanding people? Is this not a reasonable question?
Nope, there's no NAC here. I've only been to Santo Daime ceremonies, involving Ayahuasca. That's because I'm in Europe.
That being said, if I were in the States, I'd definitely put in some effort to get with one of these NAC groups, openly or under the radar, whatever works.
Your business is with the cactus, not with the people directly. What the people do is provide a (hopefully) good context for you to have your convo. If there's one or two elders who know what they're talking about and want to throw in some good advice your way, even better. But mainly your convo is with the cactus.
The Santo Daime people are half-Christians, or at least pretend to. They sing about Jesus, Mary and Joseph, while I was there for a one on one convo with the Aya. Now I could have chosen not to go, because I don't dig Christians, but that's just throwing the baby out with the bath water. The sheer power and amazing wonders of the Aya far outweighs a few Christian songs and boring white clothes I had to wear.
You can go to your local NAC, or you can save up and fly to Mexico, Peru, Brazil and so on. Probably way more expensive and dangerous and less practical, as you won't be doing it this month or even year, and you can't do it monthly for the next decade.
Show up to some gatherings, check out some pow wows, especially if it's happening in your area, what do you have to lose?
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For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. - Matthew 13:16
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Spacerific]
#18978124 - 10/14/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okay, maybe I'll try. 
I was looking into Santo Daime and it sounds like a pretty big ordeal to get involved in the U.S. The Christianity is kind of a turn off but I thought maybe the ceremony would take on meaning in the context of an aya trip - as metaphor or symbolism. Really I feel like a religious ceremony based around a trip would completely transform the experience, but from your experience it almost sounds like something you had to deal with in the background. Just kinda interesting.
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Re: Turning to alcohol to deal with stress and depression [Re: Epigallo]
#18978352 - 10/14/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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For me, the Santo Daime experience (as I felt it subjectively) has 0% to do with Christianity. The people there are fellow homo sapiens, males and females, providing fantastic music for a great trip. As with shrooms, the aya comes with its own messages and insights, few of which are expressible via text and words. Suffice to say that I literally believed my body had died the first time I took it, it wasn't bad or painful but I was incredibly surprised when I opened my eyes and I was still in the same exact human body, on the chair in the church, not even convulsing on the floor or dismembered in a hospital or anything 
The rest of the trips were somewhat less eventful, in the sense that my mind didn't completely melt, teleporting me way outside of any understandable reality.
Logistics-wise I had to fly across most of Europe to get my ceremonies, don't be surprised if you have to travel for yours. For me it was worth it, but yeh, you decide your own level of involvement.
-------------------- Blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.
For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. - Matthew 13:16
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