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EarthBounded
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Monsters?
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Lately I have been growing some beautiful red cap cubes that and small and closed cap, I pull them when some hit veil break, but on the street I see these giant stems and caps that are literally 10 times as big as my booms, now I believe mine are a little more potent, but whats the trick!! I am using franks coir tek and doing casings with awesome 6500k light, humidity, spraying, 78 degrees F... What am I missing?
Is it coffee grounds? Do they really make that big of dif, I dont want giant ones but want mine to weigh a little more lol!
I use verm / coir and gypsum properly pasteurized.
Im doing monos next so I just want to know what to do to get the big daddys
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maddchef
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Genetics mostly. Monocultures and clones. Also plentiful amount of available moisture and tons of fae.
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itsaconspiracy
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dude size and potiency is all in genetics are you useing a ms syringe, clone or isolate?
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EarthBounded
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I am using standard cube syringes from a sponsor they don't say MS on them, but I see what you guys are saying. So if I get a big one should I make a spore print of it or will I need to clone it?
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Microppose
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Haha ^
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nn-IlliniSpiralDMT
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EarthBounded said: I am using standard cube syringes from a sponsor they don't say MS on them, but I see what you guys are saying. So if I get a big one should I make a spore print of it or will I need to clone it?
This made laugh a little bit, but the guy above was being kind of a dbag . First and foremost those shrooms you "see on the street" are probably from people that are old-timers and have been doing it for awhile. Thus likely, yes being from a clone. Like you said they aren't as potent right? So because those growers are selecting traits due to size they aren't as potent. If you could find a tissue that was both big and potent than you would be hitting the jack pot in genetic terms. PM when you find it
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itsaconspiracy
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EarthBounded said: I am using standard cube syringes from a sponsor they don't say MS on them
MS means multi spored when you use in general you only need two spores to germinate to make mycellium, but in when using a spore syringe like from a vendor your injecting 1000's of spores in a jar which means multiple genetic types are fighting for dominance so you get multiple size, shape, and, potency differences.
When you clone a mushroom your taking a flesh sample of that mushroom and placing it on agar to "clone" it specific genetic type so you'll get mushrooms near to the same potency, size, and, shape of of the one you cloned.
Now isolating means your isolating a specific genetic type by putting spores on agar and waiting for it to germinate then isolating certain sections of mycellium that shows promising growth(rizomorphic growth) with a few transfer to other agar plates.
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itsaconspiracy
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nn-IlliniSpiralDMT said: This made laugh a little bit, but the guy above was being kind of a dbag
i was not try to sound like a dick or anything i was trying to ask a question about what he is using to inoculate his spawn i should have been more detailed ,but I'm too stoned my bad
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Edited by itsaconspiracy (10/05/13 05:19 PM)
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EarthBounded
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itsaconspiracy- Awesome thanks that makes a hell of alot more sense, I am learning about tissue and agar now and this week, this did answer all my questions. nn-IlliniSpiralDMT was reffering to this Dbag:
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Azurascender said: Haha ^
But whatever there are so many helpful people I just laugh at chilidish responses, obviously we are not all experts here...
nn-IlliniSpiralDMT- I appreciate it! This makes plenty more sense.
I am going to stick with MS and clone a big one once it fruits.
Got it guys thanks!
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itsaconspiracy
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that sounds like a plan EarthBounded, but remember size doesn't always matter 3 grams of smaller fruits can have you on your ass and three grams of a larger mushrooms can leave you feeling a little drunkish and disappointed or even the complete opposite. So take multiple clones from different flushes and test them so you could get one to your liking and remember be patient and its not all about what the mushroom can do when ingested enjoy the growing process too
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I know you guys are referring to Psilocybe cubensis, here is some of my experience with cloning.
The original fruit body. P. makarorae

A pure culture isolated from a clone from the above specimen, there was substantial sectoring in the initial cloned culture, the below fruiting was the result of a pure culture with no sectoring.

A fruiting from a multi spore culture started from the above original fruit body.

The multi spore culture produced specimens that were much closer to the original specimen than the pure isolated clone did, all on the same substrate with the same casing layer applied
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