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Can this monotub be saved? (w/ pics)
    #18936015 - 10/05/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hi everyone,

Sorry for yet another newb monotub post. Ive tried reading all the threads, but I kind of think this is one of those things that I need an experienced eye to evaluate.

Basically been using BRF cakes and decided to step up to my first monotub. Decided to use Damian's 50/50 coir/verm tech.

I tried to follow it as precisely as possible.  Instead of using 5 liter jars of grain, two 3-pound spawn bags full of a rye berry mixture were used as a replacement.  The strain is PE.

The colonized spawn bags were mixed with the coir/verm substrate about 6 weeks ago.  I wasnt sure whether to leave the lid on the tub, so I just sealed up the top with foil rather loosely.  It was colonizing, although it was slow.  After about 4-5 weeks, everything but the patch in the middle was colonized.  Around this time, puddles began forming on the mycelium from the condensation dripping off the foil covering, so I kind of panicked and just put a large trash bag over it instead to let it vent a little

Anyways, I tried to wait another two weeks to see if the spot in the middle would ever colonize, but it never did.  Eventually, I realized that my substrate wasnt a flat surface and the area in the middle is more elevated than the rest like a little hill, so Im not sure if that had something to do with why the middle never colonized. 

Anyways, I have been trying to fruit for a week now and nothing so far.  Im just fruiting it in my bedroom, which has a temp of hi 70s. (no AC at the moment in my place)

Perhaps more problematic than the lack of pins, I think the tub is looking worse everyday.

First off, it looks dehydrated to me.  I think by waiting for the middle to colonize, I may have waited too long before fruiting and lost much of the moisture. Also, I noticed there are a bunch of little tiny BUGS crawling around on the mycelium!

I wasnt sure what to do.  I was thinking about dunking it, but maybe Im just anxious thats not necessary.  Im also concerned about these little tiny bugs crawling all over it.  Im sure thats not a good sign, but is that like a sign of even worse things to come, such as contam? 

Ive spent a considerable amount of time working and waiting for it to fruit, so I really hope its not all for nothing and theres something I can do to salvage it.  Any advice is greatly appreciated.


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Re: Can this monotub be saved? (w/ pics) [Re: ThurgoodShroomface]
    #18936049 - 10/05/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well, this was supposed to have pics, but embarrassed to admit Im struggling with the attachment feature... :confused:

Here we go













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Re: Can this monotub be saved? (w/ pics) [Re: ThurgoodShroomface]
    #18936120 - 10/05/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Start over. Next time put the lid on and cover the holes. Wait for full colonization. If you do get fruits they will likely be mutated anyway.
You are going to get moisture on your substrate. Evaporating moisture is a pinning trigger. Always wait for full colonization.


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Re: Can this monotub be saved? (w/ pics) [Re: mycofool]
    #18936136 - 10/05/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I see 2 different colours of mold, major bacteria and possibly some cobweb.
Like mycofool said, keep it closed up when colonizing.
But still, I'd say your spawn was dirty or something when awfully wrong with the bucket tek.
Try to pasteurize your coir/verm mix properly in jars or bags while controlling core temps.

Also, you start by saying you used BRF as spawn, but your next sentence is about rye grain spawn?


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Re: Can this monotub be saved? (w/ pics) [Re: spacechildo]
    #18936158 - 10/05/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Looks like an abomination, OP


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Re: Can this monotub be saved? (w/ pics) [Re: spacechildo]
    #18936315 - 10/05/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Also, you start by saying you used BRF as spawn, but your next sentence is about rye grain spawn?




Think he was saying hes been using BRF cakes to cultivate and decided to make a mono.

OP, i lose about 1 in 20 and use damion5050's bucket tek. Ive never used proper pasteurization and dont plan on it till next spring when i have access to field aged horse poo.

That being said, PE is rather difficult to grow in my experience, its a bit more finiky than your standard cube variety, id suggest starting out with a non mutated cube till you get the hang of monos.

Previous posts are right, always keep your tub holes sealed till you fruit (not sure if the polys been in the holes since spawn of if you put it in when you said you fruited) and your lid shouldnt be sealed w. plastic or foil, they need light and a opaque tub w/ foild isnt going to let any light in, nor will it allow for proper gas exchange, when i go from spawn to fruit the only thing i do is take the tape off my holes and replace w/ poly, my lid set never changes, use clear tubs w/ clear lids, or you'll have to cut your lid out and tape saran wrap over it to allow for light, that tub looks shot, chock it up to a learning exp. and try again.


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Re: Can this monotub be saved? (w/ pics) [Re: MoGrow]
    #18936357 - 10/05/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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MoGrow said:and your lid shouldnt be sealed w. plastic or foil, they need light and a opaque tub w/ foild isnt going to let any light in, nor will it allow for proper gas exchange, when i go from spawn to fruit the only thing i do is take the tape off my holes and replace w/ poly, my lid set never changes, use clear tubs w/ clear lids, or you'll have to cut your lid out and tape saran wrap over it to allow for light,




No. You don't NEED light.
Why would the ge suffer because the lid is opaque? :lmafo:

This makes no sense at all dude.


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Also, you start by saying you used BRF as spawn, but your next sentence is about rye grain spawn?




Think he was saying hes been using BRF cakes to cultivate and decided to make a mono.





What is this even supposed to mean? He did say he used brf cakes as inoculant,
but he also states he used 6 pounds of rye berries.


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Re: Can this monotub be saved? (w/ pics) [Re: spacechildo]
    #18936384 - 10/05/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

fuck... not what I wanted to hear, but Im glad I know the deal now.

to clarify someone's question, prior to this, all I have been doing is BRF cakes in 1/2 pint jars in a SGFC.  This was my first attempt at a bulk grow. I bought the two rye berry spawn bags from midwest grow kits online.

Failure is usually an opportunity to learn something.  Ive just been lazy on buying a PC and have been buying all my BRF jars online and also bought these spawn bags as well.  However, this is the extra boost I need to just stop being cheap and buy a big PC like a true hobbyist.

Thanks for the info everyone, guess Ill just toss this one in the dumpster.


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Re: Can this monotub be saved? (w/ pics) [Re: spacechildo]
    #18936387 - 10/05/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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spacechildo said:
Quote:

MoGrow said:and your lid shouldnt be sealed w. plastic or foil, they need light and a opaque tub w/ foild isnt going to let any light in, nor will it allow for proper gas exchange, when i go from spawn to fruit the only thing i do is take the tape off my holes and replace w/ poly, my lid set never changes, use clear tubs w/ clear lids, or you'll have to cut your lid out and tape saran wrap over it to allow for light,




No. You don't NEED light.
Why would the ge suffer because the lid is opaque? :lmafo:

This makes no sense at all dude.


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MoGrow said:
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spacechildo said:
Also, you start by saying you used BRF as spawn, but your next sentence is about rye grain spawn?




Think he was saying hes been using BRF cakes to cultivate and decided to make a mono.





What is this even supposed to mean? He did say he used brf cakes as inoculant,
but he also states he used 6 pounds of rye berries.





wow someone needs to learn how to read before they start posting on forum boards....

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Basically been using BRF cakes and decided to step up to my first monotub. Decided to use Damian's 50/50 coir/verm tech.




See the part where he says "and decided to step up to my first monotub" ?

Need and have to have are 2 different things. thx.

ummm i didnt say that an opaque lid has anything to do w/ gas exchange,  but sealing your tub with foil sure as hell does, and it blocks light. Further more, yes they do need light.... "need" and "have to have" are 2 different things, you try to cultivate in darkness and see how well your fruits come out.. sure you can colonize in darkness but they do better w/ ambient light, have you ever seen a tub thats fruited in darkness? If so you know its a waste of time. You couldnt even decipher the OP's post and your going to try and pick mine apart? All i did was tried to clarify what you obviously couldnt understand in the OP. If english isnt your first language i apologize for what ive said here. If it is... wow my taxes are wasted on our school systems.


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Re: Can this monotub be saved? (w/ pics) [Re: MoGrow]
    #18936599 - 10/05/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/need

Even I know this, and no, english is not my first lang.

You can still make a monotub with brf cakes as spawn, it gets asked here everyday.

Reading the op again, I see where I fell off.
When he said he used damion5050's tek, he meant the whole spawn-ratio thing.
When I think of damion5050's tek, I mostly think of the way he pasteurizes the substrate, not his ratio of spawn/sub.

And Mr. English professor, this killer of a sentence you composed clearly states the requirement of lighting.

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Previous posts are right, always keep your tub holes sealed till you fruit (not sure if the polys been in the holes since spawn of if you put it in when you said you fruited) and your lid shouldnt be sealed w. plastic or foil, they need light and a opaque tub w/ foild isnt going to let any light in, nor will it allow for proper gas exchange, when i go from spawn to fruit the only thing i do is take the tape off my holes and replace w/ poly, my lid set never changes, use clear tubs w/ clear lids, or you'll have to cut your lid out and tape saran wrap over it to allow for light, that tub looks shot, chock it up to a learning exp. and try again.




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Re: Can this monotub be saved? (w/ pics) [Re: spacechildo]
    #18936786 - 10/05/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

spacedildo,

You have back-tracked because you misread what the OP used for spawn.

You've misinterpreted what Mogrow was saying about foil, lids, light, and GE.

Since you feel a little foolish in retrospect, you want to save your ego by bogging things down with a debate on semantics because you need to come out feeling like you won at something no matter how small.

English is not your first, and that's fine, nobody should hold that against you, but you still want to argue about the subtleties in the way words are used.

At this point, I'm calling you a troll and you are trying to troll a good member.


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Re: Can this monotub be saved? (w/ pics) [Re: spacechildo]
    #18936926 - 10/05/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

SBJ /wave

I always add an apology if english isnt a first language because miss understandings happen. I only speak english wo who am i to call out someone who can speak 2?

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Mr. English professor



When did i ever claim to be such? for that matter i didnt correct any ones english or lack there of.

No one said you cant use cakes for spawn, OP didnt say anything about it tho. so i dont see the point.

as i said above i didnt direct anything at you, all i did was try to clear up something not taken the right way and you picked my post apart, pointing things out that you must have once again read wrong. I know what i said and i know the OP said.

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Quote:

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Previous posts are right, always keep your tub holes sealed till you fruit (not sure if the polys been in the holes since spawn of if you put it in when you said you fruited) and your lid shouldnt be sealed w. plastic or foil, they need light and a opaque tub w/ foild isnt going to let any light in, nor will it allow for proper gas exchange, when i go from spawn to fruit the only thing i do is take the tape off my holes and replace w/ poly, my lid set never changes, use clear tubs w/ clear lids, or you'll have to cut your lid out and tape saran wrap over it to allow for light, that tub looks shot, chock it up to a learning exp. and try again.







And please dont quote things out of context to make your self look right, i clearly state this in my post.

"Further more, yes they do need light.... "need" and "have to have" are 2 different things, you try to cultivate in darkness and see how well your fruits come out.. sure you can colonize in darkness but they do better w/ ambient light, have you ever seen a tub thats fruited in darkness? If so you know its a waste of time."

see it? for growing? see that ? fruiting? for colonizing? see that? please be more adamant about thouroughly reading what people are posting before you reply, or pick there posts apart, all this would have been avoided if before you tried to correct my correction to your first post, you had gone back and reread the OP. you would have seen there no mention of BRF inoculate in the statement i was clarifying, instead you jump in and start tossing inaccurate statements.

No more ranting, just please read before you post, water under the bridge and all that, GL to you, and may all your opaque tubs w/ opaque lids, and no saran wrap for lighting, be bountiful.

Im done w/ this one unless OP has more questions.


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Re: Can this monotub be saved? (w/ pics) [Re: MoGrow]
    #18936968 - 10/05/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you decide to start over do a extract tek on what you have and tell me how it go.


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Re: Can this monotub be saved? (w/ pics) [Re: Enigma1]
    #18937064 - 10/05/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, I give. I must have had a bad day for reading English, just never been a problem before.

I thought MoGrow claimed they have to have, as in can't grow without, proper light,
and that this would be a reason why op had troubles getting his tub to fruit (EDIT: colonize.)

I didn't mean to cause offence or sound that arrogant or harsh, I first thought you tried to
save some face and half-way withdraw the "need" claims.

For what it's worth, the Shroomery is my first online interactive board experience, and before I joined I didn't know what a internet troll was.
I even fell prey to a lot of trolls around here before I just accepted
that some people apparently feed off it.


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Re: Can this monotub be saved? (w/ pics) [Re: spacechildo]
    #18937169 - 10/05/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Can this monotub be saved? (w/ pics) [Re: spacechildo]
    #18938181 - 10/05/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Ok, I give. I must have had a bad day for reading English, just never been a problem before.

I thought MoGrow claimed they have to have, as in can't grow without, proper light,
and that this would be a reason why op had troubles getting his tub to fruit (EDIT: colonize.)

I didn't mean to cause offence or sound that arrogant or harsh, I first thought you tried to
save some face and half-way withdraw the "need" claims.

For what it's worth, the Shroomery is my first online interactive board experience, and before I joined I didn't know what a internet troll was.
I even fell prey to a lot of trolls around here before I just accepted
that some people apparently feed off it.




Np man it happens, thats why i apologized if english wasnt your first language. Welcome to the shroomery, and i hope you have a good experience.

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