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Tigerlily_13
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Edible Boletes?
#18935020 - 10/05/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Habitat: Where does it grow? Eg. woods, pasture, state, province, country, altitude, etc. What does it grow on? Eg. soil, dung, wood (dead, living, what kind of wood?), etc. GROWING IN MY FRONT LAWN UNDER AND AROUND SPRUCES
Gills: Color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc. Spores are creamy to pale greenish color
Stem: very sturdy about 120mm x 30-40mm Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc. Netted tan over white
Cap: huge...170-180mm. Brownish the color of bread crust smooth and dry Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc.
Spore print color: Very important!
Bruising: Color that the mushroom bruises, if any.
Other information: Scent of the mushroom, anything else you think is important, large close-up pictures showing stem, cap and gills.
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koraks
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Welcome to the Shroomery!
A photograph would help. They do sound like boletes, but without additional information, it's impossible to tell what they are exactly.
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Tigerlily_13
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Re: Edible Boletes? [Re: koraks]
#18936948 - 10/05/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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look like king boletes to me! nice finds
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Tigerlily_13
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crazy.. they are right in my front yard... didn't have to "hunt" at all!
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Tigerlily_13 said: crazy.. they are right in my front yard... didn't have to "hunt" at all!
Haha cool.
I see them in yards here in Portland every fall. I have seen a lot of birch bolete this year too.
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Re: Edible Boletes? [Re: Ganzig]
#18937186 - 10/05/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That is not a King Boletus.... definitely not a birch ither...
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Ganzig
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Sorry if it seemed like I was saying it is a birch bolete. I wasn't.
I agree that it is not a king either.
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Re: Edible Boletes? [Re: Ganzig]
#18937265 - 10/05/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stipe is a bit too thin for B. edulis, though I'd say this is definitely a Boletus. When you cut it, is it white or yellow? Any blue bruising inside or on the pores? Does it taste bitter?
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rev0kadavur
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boletus auripes? Leccinum subglabripes? suillus something else?
lol.. i dunno, but its not a king that I've ever seen.
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MycoMen
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It lacks the grey or brown scabres found on the stipe of Leccinums, so I think we can exclude that genus. Can't think of any Suillus looking like that either, and it's awfully big for a Suillus, so I would think Boletus is a safe guess.
BTW, OP, you never told us your general geographic area, that would also help. Depending on where you found them, I'd say these things look a lot like Boletus badius.
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Re: Edible Boletes? [Re: MycoMen]
#18937366 - 10/05/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree... need more... geographic area? ...bruising? ...odor?
Cant see reticulation in the picture, but assuming that there is...
Yeah, the suillus and leccinum was me running out of ideas.....
All I could come up with was boletus auripes but the habitat doesn't match... unless perhaps there are more than just spruce around...
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Well, I hope they are edible, cause it looks like Tigerlily was ready to eat them! She took Shermans opinion I think...
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Tigerlily_13
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no blue bruising, not bitter. We are in Southern NH.
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Tigerlily_13
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when I cut it, the inside is white
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However, there is a net-pattern (like on a cantelope) on the stipe (not as deep or dark as on a cantelope)
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hmmm... white... then its not Boletus ornatipes for sure...
I am stumped on this one...
Everthing seems to match King Boletus, Except the surface colors and shape...
I have no idea, I give up. lol
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You mean a reticulate pattern? Can you take a picture of it?
Use the on your camera to do this.
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OK, scratch Boletus badius then (that's shown on your 123pilze link, but those things should exhibit bluing and turn black when cooked). I'm thinking B. fibrillosus (not commonly present in the East though) or B. subcaerulescens now (that one would have blue-staining pores though), though you may in fact have an atypical B. edulis here.
In any case, a non-bitter, non-bluing, yellow-pored white Boletus should be edible and choice.
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I know kings have a very wide range of variation to them depending on habitat. I see in one of your pictures A. Muscaria. Which is found commonly growing with kings here is an example
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Tigerlily_13 said: However, there is a net-pattern (like on a cantelope) on the stipe (not as deep or dark as on a cantelope)
You said the net was Tan Colored, over a white background?
The pictures you took they look way way yellow...
do you have a full-size pic of the basket pic? -The color looks different in that photo.
Maybe its just that the pictures didn't accurately depict the colors. -everything you have described sounds like B. Edulis.
Those 2 pictures are really throwing me off.
The reticulation on kings is typically white.... can you get a close up pic of the reticulation? -Maybe it could be a light tan in color, I have never seen that personally though.
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Tigerlily_13
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The pic made the whole thing look yellower and darker than they were for sure. I will see if any more crop up tomorrow... after the rain tonight, but the netting is/was pale overall... not very dark, definitely a net pattern. I tossed the ones I collected as I know they don't last.
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koraks
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That's a shame; they were definitely edible. You could have sliced them and dried them.
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Re: Edible Boletes? [Re: koraks]
#18939637 - 10/06/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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koraks said: That's a shame; they were definitely edible. You could have sliced them and dried them.
What this guy said. They are edible and probably choice.
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Re: Edible Boletes? [Re: MycoMen]
#18940667 - 10/06/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you everyone.. I collected a couple today that are not great as my children are about smooshing them... I got a good closeup and one of the side view of the tubules(?) I admit I did sautee some up with butter and fresh garlic.. very tasty. not bitter, and the only thing I didn't like was the texture of the cooked pores/tubules, so next time I will take that off first.
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Tigerlily_13 said: Thank you everyone.. I collected a couple today that are not great as my children are about smooshing them... I got a good closeup and one of the side view of the tubules(?) I admit I did sautee some up with butter and fresh garlic.. very tasty. not bitter, and the only thing I didn't like was the texture of the cooked pores/tubules, so next time I will take that off first.

Those pictures definitely look more king like... -Are the pores on the younger ones more of a white color? or pale dingy yellow?
Kings never look neon/sulfur yellow like the other pictures... lol.. -Cameras, they can fool ya~
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I'm going to go ahead and placate the taxonomy geeks out there for a second with this: B. edulis is actually the name for the European mushroom, and mycology nerds the world over are generally loathe to say that two very similar looking mushrooms living on different continents are actually the same species of mushroom because we need something over which to senselessly bicker. Just an FYI for those who notice the snorting and eye-rolling and snarky commentary that takes place on teh Internets about such things, and, like myself, are slightly annoyed by said behavior. "Um...don't you mean Boletus cf. edulis or Eastern B. edulis?" I refuse to engage in the mycological version of Internet-based grammar nazism, people! We need a Godwin's Law for this sort of thing. Anytime anyone begets any taxonomically-induced assholery, they lose and the thread is shut down. And they get a wedgie after school.
ANYWAY...I'm putting the cart before the horse here. The point is, everyone says B. edulis because it's all we've got without being dicks about it and there has been way too little research done on boletes, which is not only a fact, but also my opinion. Ok...so the REAL point is that because of this lack of material to work with on boletes, especially American B. edulis-like boletes, there's a "cluster" of very similar North American boletes that are difficult to tell apart and generally all referred to as B. edulis anyway, and nobodyfuckingcares because they're all pretty delicious. THIS WILL KEEP YOU ON THE EDGE OF YOUR SEAT: http://www.mushroomexpert.com/boletus_edulis.html
Okay, so, back to your regularly scheduled program. The bolete in your yard. I say Boletus sp. for shizz, due to the olive-yellow pore surface. If it is as yellow in real life as it seems to be in the pix, I'd go with Boletus gertrudiae, but if not, I'd agree with B. edulis. B. edulis varies in stem shape and size, though they're usually stocky (sometimes stubby, sometimes tall) though the reticulation is normally white or whitish. Tylopilus sp. usually has the brown reticulation, but have cream-colored to pinkish-brown pore surfaces and pinkish brown spore prints, and usually taste like bitter asshole. The King Bolete (y'all are talking about the California King Bolete, right?) is a west coast mushroom. The Birch Bolete is actually a Leccinum sp., which is relatively easily identified by the black scabers on its stem.
Yes edible. Check out the Edibility Rules for Boletes. These guidelines don't guarantee they'll be tasty, just not poisonous.
Very short guide to IDing a bolete's genus:
Leccinum=scabers on stem, usually black/brown and easily noticeable Suillus=sticky/slimy cap, partial veil or ring (usually), glandular dots on stem Strobilomyces=grayish, shaggy black velvety patches or scales on cap Gyroporus=hollow stems, lemon yellow spore prints Tylopilus=creamy to pinkish brown pore surface, pinkish brown spore print, usually extremely bitter Pseudoboletus parasiticus=growing out of an earthball Boletus=kind of an "any other variety" genus, olivaceous spore prints, solid stems Xantheconium=like Boletus, only with yellow to ochre colored spore prints.
Most boletes do not have a partial veil/ring and almost all are mycorrhizal. All have pores instead of gills.
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BittrBuffalo said: Anytime anyone begets any taxonomically-induced assholery, they lose and the thread is shut down. And they get a wedgie after school.
The whole thing was a great read. Nicely done.
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Re: Edible Boletes? [Re: Ganzig]
#18942850 - 10/06/13 11:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ganzig said: The whole thing was a great read. Nicely done. 
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Thankies!
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I detect no assholery in this thread. But I do detect a slight hint of bitterness. Well written!
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nice post. helpful for noobs aka me!
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