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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18937690 - 10/05/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I vote this as 'Lame Thread of the Month'. You have demonstrated nothing.

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Wow, I topped all your lame threads even? I guess I go for quality rather than quantity.

But I think if we add them all up, you win.

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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18937791 - 10/05/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Must I point out the fail in your faulty Randi assessment? Or can we just start with how you failed to link any mysterious, unproven energy to any action at all? You know - that pesky cause and effect thingie.

If this is truly THE BEST EVIDENCE as you claim, then we can put the whole thing to rest right now once and for all because there is zero substance.

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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 2
    #18937816 - 10/05/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The evidence was visual, as well and using logic and rationale.

How do you measure love, is it considered supernatural? How do you measure your level of fear, or the energy that you feel, should we consider fear to be supernatural.

What about the waves of bliss you feel at a concert, can you measure those waves or should we consider it supernatural and non-existent.

The fact is that we all know it exists, even without measureable evidence.

This is the argument of this thread, and way more philosophical than anything you have spouted off in the last 5 years.

How about posting something unique, rather than silly stories about your life and treating the forums like your personal blog? Or making lame ass jokes full of dark sarcasm that no one but you and maybe a couple others will think is funny.

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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18937834 - 10/05/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That same energy that we all feel is what people have been calling qi or chi all along.

It's the bull shitters that make it into something else.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18937848 - 10/05/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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How do you measure love




Dear Mr. Strawman...


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18937859 - 10/05/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The evidence was visual, as well and using logic and rationale.

How do you measure love, is it considered supernatural? How do you measure your level of fear, or the energy that you feel, should we consider fear to be supernatural.

What about the waves of bliss you feel at a concert, can you measure those waves or should we consider it supernatural and non-existent.

The fact is that we all know it exists, even without measureable evidence.

This is the argument of this thread, and way more philosophical than anything you have spouted off in the last 5 years.

How about posting something unique, rather than silly stories about your life and treating the forums like your personal blog? Or making lame ass jokes full of dark sarcasm that no one but you and maybe a couple others will think is funny.




So chi energy = being defensive and expressing a wounded ego?

Whether my threads are full of bunk or not certainly does not strengthen your case for chi now does it?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18937898 - 10/05/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No, but your argument = strawman.

Why don't you address the issues I brought up rather than creating a red herring?

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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18937903 - 10/05/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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How do you measure love




Dear Mr. Strawman...




Love is considered as qi, when you get to a certain level. Qi comes in many forms, and it isn't measureable with a scientific instrument is it?

The error in your thinking is that if you consider supernatural as non-existent, many things would have never existed, such as UV light and love. UV light we found a way to measure, love (qi) we haven't found an objective way to measure.

Yet we know that UV light exists now, so would it have been correct to say at one time it didn't exist, being we couldn't measure it?

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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18937954 - 10/05/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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teknix said:
The evidence was visual, as well and using logic and rationale.

How do you measure love, is it considered supernatural? How do you measure your level of fear, or the energy that you feel, should we consider fear to be supernatural.

What about the waves of bliss you feel at a concert, can you measure those waves or should we consider it supernatural and non-existent.

The fact is that we all know it exists, even without measureable evidence.

This is the argument of this thread, and way more philosophical than anything you have spouted off in the last 5 years.

How about posting something unique, rather than silly stories about your life and treating the forums like your personal blog? Or making lame ass jokes full of dark sarcasm that no one but you and maybe a couple others will think is funny.




So chi energy = being defensive and expressing a wounded ego?

Whether my threads are full of bunk or not certainly does not strengthen your case for chi now does it?




It's giving you tit for tat, I have no problem talking shit back to you if you wanna talk shit. Besides you dodged the actual points. In the quoted response I was addressing your claim that this is the lamest thread and your assertion that it should be locked, when you sir, make a heck of a contribution, so I was being humble.

Oh, and James Randi is a Hoaxster, because if they do test something and find that it is unusual, then they measured it and it forgos being supernatural, so even if someone does have a profound ability, he will never pay up. He's no better than the bull shitters he calls out.

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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18938024 - 10/05/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Just for you guys who can't see and think I'm trying to pull a fast one:



If you would like more just ask, it's easy.

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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18938067 - 10/05/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You could have had someone out of frame turn a fan on or open a door?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18938076 - 10/05/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Nah, it wouldn't be as instantaneous as it is, and you would have heard the fan.

Also my body would have been blocking my arm from any other direction and the fan would have been hitting my back or other arm.

It's not a hoax.

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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix] * 1
    #18938105 - 10/05/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So what makes you think it is chi? Is it not possible that you triggered you sympathetic nervous system and it is just acting accordingly?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18938139 - 10/05/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well, the phenomena has already been described in many practices, and I feel the ānanda piercing through my cells. But I think your right and according to modern definitions that's what these practices lead too.

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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18938141 - 10/05/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18938148 - 10/05/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

There are a lot of other phenomena that I have experienced as well, but this one in particular yields visible results.

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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix] * 1
    #18938153 - 10/05/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well this feat is not particularly amazing...
It is not at all a stretch to claim that you can control aspects of your autonomous nervous system.
It's common to be able to control our breathing and heart rate, yes?

The chi part is what is confusing me.

A. What is your definition of chi?

B. How is this evidence for it?

C. Can you think of any other possible alternatives that could lead to goosebumps?

I can think of plenty...


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18938168 - 10/05/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Chi is just energy that you can feel in your body, but there is little or no objective evidence for.

It can manifest as inner fire, inner smile, Love, heart bliss, and ananda, to name a few.

It's something you know when you experience or feel it, it not something to think, and you are asking me for something to think, to experience is something you must do.

With your own free will.

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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18938177 - 10/05/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Well this feat is not particularly amazing...
It is not at all a stretch to claim that you can control aspects of your autonomous nervous system.
It's common to be able to control our breathing and heart rate, yes?

The chi part is what is confusing me.

A. What is your definition of chi?

B. How is this evidence for it?

C. Can you think of any other possible alternatives that could lead to goosebumps?

I can think of plenty...




Goosebumps, as defined, are not willed. So you can throw that out the window.

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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18938191 - 10/05/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

And really it doesn't matter what you call it or how you define it, because those are just thoughts of it, they are not what it is, because what it is is beyond thoughts, ie: feeling. (not touch, but feel)


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