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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Diploid]
    #19052233 - 10/29/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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topdog82 said: Repitoire89 made it quite clear that the benefits of meditation were placebo and increased oxygen.




I don't think he said anything of the sort. You would benefit from reading more carefully as you seem to reading and arguing things that are not even on the table.





Exactly why I responded with a facepalm, these arguments always wind up the same.
Strawman

Nice posts by the way, very concise.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: topdog82]
    #19061945 - 10/31/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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topdog82 said:
a reply to all of you:

So i was kind of a dumbass and hopelessly caught up in depression. My fault entirely tbh. Ruminating negative thoughts, drug abuse etc.

Since I was addicted to simulants, I had straight A's, and spent hours up at night reading about random crap. i gained a lot of knowledge this way. I read through a lot of eastern philosophy. I barely scarthed the surface, but still a significant gain in knowledge

Some chirpy motherfucker kept telling me to try seeing the good in others. Less pessimism. I couldnt do that. I thought he was an idiot. Some childish fuck simplying life and sugarcaoting the suffering we experience in this world. He went about explaining exactly what energies could be muted and which were opened via meditation in some kind of eastern philosophy. Either buddhist philsophy. Or chinese medicine

I was either stoned or wired 24/7 that entire time so i forget what exactly he said. Some mumbo jumbo bullshit and diagram about a lotus coming out of the top of someones head. This would be activated by focusing on your breath

At the time, I did tons of research into this and read bits about it here and there in various books. The whole time thinking it was absolute trash pseudo science

Now this isnt some basic arguement for chi itself. It is for energies that guide and rule our lives. Beyond our perception but fundamentally linked to our perception as well


A couple years later. Here I am. Finally clean from stimulants. Not wired or stoned 24/7. And chirpy as a motherfucker. After quitting stms for a little bit I would always relapse. But this time I didnt. Instead of relapsing, I meditated. All day, every day.

All ofthe sudden, the frustration and anger and pain I saw in the world had just disappeared. I felt a genuine compassion for others in the world. And the easten philosophies started to make sense


I will go ahead and give a second exmaple. I grew up in a vegatarian family. But I ate meat outside of home. It wasn't a big deal. My rents didnt impose their hippie views on me. But as I grew older I made my own descision to stop eating meat

From the ages of 13-19, every time I ate out, I always ate meat. At home, my mom didnt cook meat. And so it was vegatarina at home

Anyways. Reading through on some auyurvedic medicine, it states that vegatables have a sattwic energy. white meats, fish and dairy would be rajas. And potato chips, soda, and fast food would be tamas

The three energy levels. So when I stopped eating meat, it was for the sole purpose of enhancing sattwic energies. Livity and contentment. If one was trying to improve physically and grow muscle, they would eat rajastic food. When I became vegatarian, I felt a lot better on the daily. But my muscles wouldn't grow. They still dont grow. I workout fairly hard. No progress. I ate hemp prtien, whey protien, soy protien, dairy etc. Through supplement and diet. The only real protien that helped me actually gain muscle was white and red meat. a prfect example of how energies work

I would like to add on that acpunture and yoga have all done wonders for and my boldily energies

On top of all that...you guys act like I am an idiot because I am choosing energies and bullshit over logic and science. The two are very closely tied. I just feel that the eastern belief in energies etc does a great job of explaining how the body works and I have anecdotal evidence of dramatic changes in life fullfillment from chinese and indian medicine

What neuroscientists are just beginning to discover about meditation, half-naked yogis knew centuries ago. We find that cortical thickness and neuroplasticity are greatly improved by meditation. The mumbo jumbo that chripy motherfucker told me that meditation would enhance my ability to feel compassionate for others. Both stnadpoints are true. I am doing beast in school. Better than I had done before I was abusing stimulants. and I am happier. And I see the love and beauty in others
Am I saying that surgery is a fallacy? No. Am I saying that chinese mediicine and homeopathy can cure cancer tumors? no.

I dont know shit. I am just 1 person on the globe of 7 billion people. my experiences have led me to believe that the world can be explained by both energies and science

But what I am telling you is to sto viewing the world in black and white.None of the poters on this thread know shit. I am inferring from my experience that the mumubo jumbo bullshit is true. I would be more than happy to admit I was wrong if I experienced something opposite

So I sat down for 20 minutes a day and focused on my breahting. please use western science to deduce how exactly doing that would make me see the beauty in others. Or pull me out of borderline suicidaldepression and drug abuse :smile:





Cool post.

Many people never realize the meaning of "We create our own reality", but I think you might :smile:

An increase of oxygen in the body lowers the PH of the body and can also cause dizziness because the blood causes vascoconstriction of the vessels/veins increasing blood pressure.

I think that noticing the energy in your body through the observation of feeling, makes you more aware of the biological processes taking place and being more aware of these processes creates memory of those processes. Accessing the memories of those processes seems to somehow activate the processes itself.

It all starts by paying heed to your body with all of your senses and then emulating the process through a remembrance of that feeling. Somehow the process that cause an effect to occur can be repeated without necessarily knowing how the process works.

Just like remembering a time that you were sad can make you sad, or a time that you were in love can make you feel love, these feeling create accessible memories.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #19061970 - 10/31/13 06:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The memory of a feeling can bring you to that feeling, all that it requires is the initial feeling. The memory is not the feeling, but feeling is in the memory.

Experience. It is as if all the experiences of our life are stored in our brains but connected to the experience and when accessed or imagined that feeling manifests into reality.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #19070287 - 11/01/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
Quote:

topdog82 said:
a reply to all of you:

So i was kind of a dumbass and hopelessly caught up in depression. My fault entirely tbh. Ruminating negative thoughts, drug abuse etc.

Since I was addicted to simulants, I had straight A's, and spent hours up at night reading about random crap. i gained a lot of knowledge this way. I read through a lot of eastern philosophy. I barely scarthed the surface, but still a significant gain in knowledge

Some chirpy motherfucker kept telling me to try seeing the good in others. Less pessimism. I couldnt do that. I thought he was an idiot. Some childish fuck simplying life and sugarcaoting the suffering we experience in this world. He went about explaining exactly what energies could be muted and which were opened via meditation in some kind of eastern philosophy. Either buddhist philsophy. Or chinese medicine

I was either stoned or wired 24/7 that entire time so i forget what exactly he said. Some mumbo jumbo bullshit and diagram about a lotus coming out of the top of someones head. This would be activated by focusing on your breath

At the time, I did tons of research into this and read bits about it here and there in various books. The whole time thinking it was absolute trash pseudo science

Now this isnt some basic arguement for chi itself. It is for energies that guide and rule our lives. Beyond our perception but fundamentally linked to our perception as well


A couple years later. Here I am. Finally clean from stimulants. Not wired or stoned 24/7. And chirpy as a motherfucker. After quitting stms for a little bit I would always relapse. But this time I didnt. Instead of relapsing, I meditated. All day, every day.

All ofthe sudden, the frustration and anger and pain I saw in the world had just disappeared. I felt a genuine compassion for others in the world. And the easten philosophies started to make sense


I will go ahead and give a second exmaple. I grew up in a vegatarian family. But I ate meat outside of home. It wasn't a big deal. My rents didnt impose their hippie views on me. But as I grew older I made my own descision to stop eating meat

From the ages of 13-19, every time I ate out, I always ate meat. At home, my mom didnt cook meat. And so it was vegatarina at home

Anyways. Reading through on some auyurvedic medicine, it states that vegatables have a sattwic energy. white meats, fish and dairy would be rajas. And potato chips, soda, and fast food would be tamas

The three energy levels. So when I stopped eating meat, it was for the sole purpose of enhancing sattwic energies. Livity and contentment. If one was trying to improve physically and grow muscle, they would eat rajastic food. When I became vegatarian, I felt a lot better on the daily. But my muscles wouldn't grow. They still dont grow. I workout fairly hard. No progress. I ate hemp prtien, whey protien, soy protien, dairy etc. Through supplement and diet. The only real protien that helped me actually gain muscle was white and red meat. a prfect example of how energies work

I would like to add on that acpunture and yoga have all done wonders for and my boldily energies

On top of all that...you guys act like I am an idiot because I am choosing energies and bullshit over logic and science. The two are very closely tied. I just feel that the eastern belief in energies etc does a great job of explaining how the body works and I have anecdotal evidence of dramatic changes in life fullfillment from chinese and indian medicine

What neuroscientists are just beginning to discover about meditation, half-naked yogis knew centuries ago. We find that cortical thickness and neuroplasticity are greatly improved by meditation. The mumbo jumbo that chripy motherfucker told me that meditation would enhance my ability to feel compassionate for others. Both stnadpoints are true. I am doing beast in school. Better than I had done before I was abusing stimulants. and I am happier. And I see the love and beauty in others
Am I saying that surgery is a fallacy? No. Am I saying that chinese mediicine and homeopathy can cure cancer tumors? no.

I dont know shit. I am just 1 person on the globe of 7 billion people. my experiences have led me to believe that the world can be explained by both energies and science

But what I am telling you is to sto viewing the world in black and white.None of the poters on this thread know shit. I am inferring from my experience that the mumubo jumbo bullshit is true. I would be more than happy to admit I was wrong if I experienced something opposite

So I sat down for 20 minutes a day and focused on my breahting. please use western science to deduce how exactly doing that would make me see the beauty in others. Or pull me out of borderline suicidaldepression and drug abuse :smile:





Cool post.

Many people never realize the meaning of "We create our own reality", but I think you might :smile:

An increase of oxygen in the body lowers the PH of the body and can also cause dizziness because the blood causes vascoconstriction of the vessels/veins increasing blood pressure.

I think that noticing the energy in your body through the observation of feeling, makes you more aware of the biological processes taking place and being more aware of these processes creates memory of those processes. Accessing the memories of those processes seems to somehow activate the processes itself.

It all starts by paying heed to your body with all of your senses and then emulating the process through a remembrance of that feeling. Somehow the process that cause an effect to occur can be repeated without necessarily knowing how the process works.

Just like remembering a time that you were sad can make you sad, or a time that you were in love can make you feel love, these feeling create accessible memories.




WERD

I agree with everything you said. Glad you understand :smile:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: topdog82]
    #19088306 - 11/05/13 01:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup:

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