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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Repertoire89]
#18970306 - 10/12/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It all starts with goosebumps.
... and tingling
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Spacerific]
#18970602 - 10/13/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Icelander]
#18978673 - 10/14/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander said: He's paid every one for every person who's taken him up on his offer. Every single one. And now ask how many people said they were going to take him up on his offer and didn't go through with it? (all of them)
It's not like he can't afford it.
Refresh my mind on what you offered to bet on again?
How many?
I was going to bet that I can do what I claimed, when everybody was trying to say it was a supernatural claim before I provided the definition of ASMR.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
#18978715 - 10/14/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Every one.
What is in question from what I saw in the thread is not that you could produce an effect but what that effect actually was. I wouldn't be surprised if you could do it. Humans can do some really interesting things in their bodies that others can't. I don't know the implications of that however.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Icelander]
#18978730 - 10/14/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Everyone doesn't answer how many.
An empty offer isn't much of an offer, especially if it entails exceptions, which with enough exceptions I could offer everyone a million dollars, but they have to do all kinds of crazy shit that I approve of.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
#18978773 - 10/14/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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All they had to do was apply and that is something many initially agreed to and then withdrew when he offered to take them up on it. They backed out not him.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Icelander]
#18978795 - 10/14/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So, how many?
If I was going to win a million bucks I sure wouldn't need diploid to do it, all that is doing is show boating and hanging on the skirt tails of Randi, rather than making his own offer.
He's offering Randi's money more than his own, and under the guise of Randi's stipulations. It's hardly his offer or idea, yet he would seem to like to take some credit for it.
Besides, not taking an offer doesn't prove or disprove anything. You act as if it does.
IE; Argument from ignorance.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
#18978844 - 10/14/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Many initially claimed they would take his offer and that's all I really need to know about it. They backed out. I do think I remember him sweetening the pot a time or two with some actual cash. And some claimed they couldn't afford to pay to actually come and take the test and so he offered so they could do it.
I never said it proved or disproved anything. But for me someone backing out on a bet usually means they are not confident of winning.
At the very least we can say that many backed out on their claim to file and take the bet but Diploid never failed to make good on any claim he made.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Icelander]
#18978868 - 10/14/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, just FYI, "Why Don't you go to Randi's Millions", isn't really a legitimate argument and it is often used as such.
Diploid inviting people down to take a specific test and people declining the invitation isn't evidence.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
#18978883 - 10/14/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Didn't say it was.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Icelander]
#18978897 - 10/14/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Then you agree that it isn't a valid argument?
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
#18979977 - 10/15/13 04:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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teknix said: Well, just FYI, "Why Don't you go to Randi's Millions", isn't really a legitimate argument and it is often used as such.
Diploid inviting people down to take a specific test and people declining the invitation isn't evidence.
This is pathetic.
You know whats funny? I've trained for years as a martial artist, if someone wants to question that I can spar to prove it. I've trained for years as a musician and if someone wants to question that I can perform and demonstrate the various genres I've studied.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Repertoire89]
#18981560 - 10/15/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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"The Best Objective Evidence of Chi."
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still have yet to see any 'objective' evidence of 'chi' in this thread
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: foliocb]
#18981692 - 10/15/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Objective:
2. Having actual existence or reality.
You saw indirect evidence of ASMR which has also been described as chi and prana, before the term ASMR.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
#18990116 - 10/17/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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teknix said:It is learning to control the normally autonomous system manually or consciously
I can stop myself from getting a boner, even when I have physical stimulation... I can also get a boner, without any outside stimulation, only through mental "practice"
I "learned" how to consciously breathe.
I can raise my heart rate at will.
I can change my respiratory rate, at will.
That must all be chi too, right?
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: rsbattle]
#19004746 - 10/20/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rsbattle said:
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teknix said:It is learning to control the normally autonomous system manually or consciously
I can stop myself from getting a boner, even when I have physical stimulation... I can also get a boner, without any outside stimulation, only through mental "practice"
I "learned" how to consciously breathe.
I can raise my heart rate at will.
I can change my respiratory rate, at will.
That must all be chi too, right?
They would all be a product of chi, rather than being chi.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
#19009437 - 10/21/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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teknix said:It is learning to control the normally autonomous system manually or consciously
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teknix said: which is why I posted tangible evidence of this energy that we have all felt at some point in our life and still hasn't been measured.
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teknix said: chi can't be measured or it wouldn't be chi, but the effects of chi can be measured in this case.
So, how is this argument any different then:
Even though we can trace the response, we still believe there's something unmeasurable after that providing the energy for it.
Or, are you saying these goosebumps/use of chi don't have any origin within the brain/use nervous/bodily systems/signals?
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: rsbattle]
#19011007 - 10/21/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think it is most likely that it originates in the body through biochemical reactions. Willful manipulation of the biochemical reactions has already been mapped as chi.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
#19011076 - 10/21/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can move my ears like a fox though it hurts a bit. Some vestigial ability left over from my werewoof ancestors.
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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
#19011350 - 10/21/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This week on the shroomery, goosebumps as objective evidence for the supranatural
Also, more drugs and flying spaghetti monster
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