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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18963966 - 10/11/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You must be confused, that was my personal definition used to describe the phenomena that I provided evidence for.

Chi and Prana is synonymous with energy.

QiQong, and Kunalini Yoga are both aspects dedicated to controlling and utilizing this sort of energy efficiently. It's really not that hard to put two and two together and honestly I don't know why I'm explaining it to you because you are obviously not listening or putting in any effort yourself to determine if what I say is true.

The hypothesis I presented is a possible definition, utilizing both my subjective experience with objective data to formulate a likely definition of what is happening.

I doubt you hardly understand what the acceleration of electrons to a higher energy state even means . . lol. If you did you wouldn't be arguing the point. (Transference of electrons from one atoms to another, it is bioelectrical.)




:rolleyes: You are not making any sense. First you refuse to provide a definition by saying it cannot be explained with human language,





Where did I say that?

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then you say it is the heating of electrons and willful transference of energy.





Where did I say that, I gave multiple definitions, my personal definition and description and many others, so what?

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Then you go on to say that Chi is actually ASMR, but the scientists just gave it a new name.





That is what I said and it doesn't conflict with anything I have previously stated, if so then what?


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Now you are saying that I am confused, suggesting that I am incorrect in my understanding while suggesting that your definition of chi has little to do with ASMR, which makes no sense, because as stated previously, you made the claim that Chi IS ASMR. I don't think you have any idea what the fuck you are talking about. If on the slight chance that you do, please for the sake of your argument, try to spend a little more time on your posts in an effort to make them more coherent.:awethumb:




Now I'm saying you are making stuff up.

:lol:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18964005 - 10/11/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Chi or Prana is most simply and broadly energy.

When we get into the specific forms they require further defining and refining.

I showed ASMR and Chi or Prana are both broad terms that represent the same phenomena, and the argument was that it is scientifically inaccurate to call it ASMR.

It really is amusing to me how you guys like to point fingers, and yes, it really does say more about you then the person you are pointing them at.

If you are trying to make me mad, it isn't going to work.

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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18964008 - 10/11/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Everything gets goosebumps. 

willfully giving yourself an erection, or a woman fantasizing and getting wet shows direct control of bodily functions, much like you giving yourself goosebumps. 

Its much like muscle memory, man.  when you figure it out and practice it becomes easier. 

so I say again, what is the problem with my analogy?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: omegafaust]
    #18964012 - 10/11/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I already explained how it is false by being an inaccurate comparison.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: omegafaust]
    #18964027 - 10/11/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Everything gets goosebumps. 

willfully giving yourself an erection, or a woman fantasizing and getting wet shows direct control of bodily functions, much like you giving yourself goosebumps. 

Its much like muscle memory, man.  when you figure it out and practice it becomes easier. 

so I say again, what is the problem with my analogy?




Willfully give yourself goose bumps and document it then. Otherwise no one believes you. And you are simply making things up.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18964039 - 10/11/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How many people do you know that give themselves goose bumps willfully and don't "feel" anything other than skin tightening? I bet 0.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18964055 - 10/11/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sure.  muscle memory and willfully making your body perform any feat simply shows mental control.

if anything you could use what I said in defense of your argument, yet because I disagree it is discarded as falsehood? 

That makes no sense.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18964072 - 10/11/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You must be confused, that was my personal definition used to describe the phenomena that I provided evidence for.

Chi and Prana is synonymous with energy.

QiQong, and Kunalini Yoga are both aspects dedicated to controlling and utilizing this sort of energy efficiently. It's really not that hard to put two and two together and honestly I don't know why I'm explaining it to you because you are obviously not listening or putting in any effort yourself to determine if what I say is true.

The hypothesis I presented is a possible definition, utilizing both my subjective experience with objective data to formulate a likely definition of what is happening.

I doubt you hardly understand what the acceleration of electrons to a higher energy state even means . . lol. If you did you wouldn't be arguing the point. (Transference of electrons from one atoms to another, it is bioelectrical.)




:rolleyes: You are not making any sense. First you refuse to provide a definition by saying it cannot be explained with human language, then you say it is the heating of electrons and willful transference of energy. Then you go on to say that Chi is actually ASMR, but the scientists just gave it a new name. Now you are saying that I am confused, suggesting that I am incorrect in my understanding while suggesting that your definition of chi has little to do with ASMR, which makes no sense, because as stated previously, you made the claim that Chi IS ASMR. I don't think you have any idea what the fuck you are talking about. If on the slight chance that you do, please for the sake of your argument, try to spend a little more time on your posts in an effort to make them more coherent.:awethumb:




I'm sure the arguments do seem confusing if you take them out of context, considering I have been arguing against multiple angles this entire thread. Some who say chi is real but I know nothing, and others who say chi is not real, and some playing both of those sides, while others want to argue the logic and rationale (which those are few), etc, etc. I debate as the arguments come in, using different angles for different perspectives.

You can take my arguments out of context and try to make it look like I'm confused but nothing I said is conflicting. You are just presenting some of my multiple angles and perspectives.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: omegafaust]
    #18964075 - 10/11/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Sure.  muscle memory and willfully making your body perform any feat simply shows mental control.

if anything you could use what I said in defense of your argument, yet because I disagree it is discarded as falsehood? 

That makes no sense.




Then do it, you don't need to say anything, all you have to do is show us, which is the only thing you can do to back up your claim.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18964101 - 10/11/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18964137 - 10/11/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How would this thread develop if you only claimed the nature of your body to "produce goosebumps when I want"?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18964223 - 10/11/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

likely the same

Chi is such a vague term I think one is free to speculate on what it is. 

I think it could well be he is controlling his "chi" in some area and it could well be that just about everything is chi.  :shrug:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Icelander]
    #18964244 - 10/11/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I used to live in Chi-cago, city of cosmic energy and gangland slayings.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18964288 - 10/11/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Didn't know that. :nicesmile:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Icelander]
    #18964293 - 10/11/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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likely the same



How would a thread named "This is a banana" contra "This is a banana from god" develop?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18964555 - 10/11/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

likely the same.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Icelander]
    #18964652 - 10/11/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So the answers would be the exact same? Hardly.

If you merely think about general reactions from the audience then banana would react with humour and sarcasm, banana god with skepticism as this thread. Banana was probably a bad example as it'll most likely be sarcastically perceived regardless, so let's swap banana and god with proof of my soul (with no sort of evidence in the thread) contra experiences while meditating.

You're most likely right that it won't develop to an agreement if there are statements up for debate.

What do you mean with likely the same?


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: liquidlounge] * 2
    #18964756 - 10/11/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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All you do is twist words and meaning and shy away from your own insecurities.  you seem to stumble when confronted with objection.

having made this post clearly exemplifies the fact that you are seeking attention and renown.

but of course you will say that i must feel this way about myself and yet again divert the issue.


So I say again.  what is the flaw to my premise and analogies?




False analogy, an erection is common to all men, except those with dysfunction.

The control of goose bumps is not common to all or even a majority as it seems.



It's not common to all or even a majority, nor does it need to be. Neither is being able to roll your tongue, having a naturally split tongue and being able to whistle without using fingers, being an albino or a ginger, etc.

The fact that the condition is prevalent only in a small % of the population doesn't make it magical. Nor does it mean it's developed by "chi training" and "internal alchemy" :rolleyes:

Above I mentioned examples of clearly developed abilities, that are sometimes considered related to the use of chi: tummo, hanging by the neck, throwing needles through glass with your bare hand. You have none of them, nor anything even remotely comparable.

I've shown you a thread with several people that can give themselves goosebumps at will. Several of them said they could always do it and assumed it was normal. This shows that at least in some, it's present without training. As far as I'm concerned you belong to the same group (whether you knew about it before or just realized it at the time of your "training").

If others can do it (and they can) then it's perfectly normal. At no point does chi or prana ever need to enter the discussion.

IF your alleged internal alchemy system has any other things that are out of the ordinary, that you think you'll be able to train, then name them, go back and practice, and come back when you've done the deed. Goosebumps on command is unremarkable and done by many others. It's pretty sad to see you cling to this like your self esteem depended on goosebumps being somehow special.



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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Spacerific]
    #18964797 - 10/11/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What's your argument again?

:lol:

If you have a real argument then say what it is!

There are a lot more things I have learned through my practice, but those aren't the focus of the thread.

Make a new post if you want to talk about them, explaining what you think you know and why you believe it.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Icelander]
    #18964929 - 10/11/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Chi is such a vague term I think one is free to speculate on what it is.

That ^^^

It's like when a psychic tells you that "there's change in your future", then sits back and waits for the most amazing pattern-recognition system known (your brain) to fill in the blanks and convince yourself that you were told something specific instead of something so general that it could mean anything.

Chi (and god, and magic, and all the rest of the mambo jumbo in the world) is just like that. There are multiple conflicting definitions so there's always one that conveniently aligns with whatever flavor of unevidenced belief you're trying to convince yourself of at the moment.

If someone were to give a rigorous definition for their flavor of chi, it will render it amenable to rigorous testing and falsification. That's why we get shifting definitions and hokey threads like this one instead.


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