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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18959099 - 10/10/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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If I don't see you around it's probably because you got banned.



If the moderators make the decision to ban me then I will respect their decision. Until then let's move on.

You have already said ASMR is in the research stage. You know scientists have researched ghosts too right? Research holds no weight until it provides good evidence. Furthermore, I didn't see anything in your ASMR posts that said anything about the willful manipulation of energy.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18960884 - 10/10/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Autonomous Sensory Meridian Response (ASMR) is a physical sensation characterized by a pleasurable tingling that typically begins in the head and scalp, and often moves down the spine and through the limbs.





and then this:

https://www.google.com/#q=qi+and+tingling

Hundreds of articles relating qi and tingling.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18960969 - 10/10/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Here is good article about Yoga  correlating it with prana:

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When the prana is concentrated in the anahata chakra, the seat of the gaseous or "air element," a variety of changes can happen: spontaneous rapid breathing or trembling, called kampa; or blocking of the voice so that one cannot speak and only hoarse sounds come out (svarbanga); or pulaka, when the hairs on the scalp prickle or stand up, goosebumps arise on the skin, and there is a feeling of joy in the heart.

http://www.cit-sakti.com/kundalini/experiences-of-meditation.htm





And another example:

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The only thing we can use to understand and keep track of our prana is our mind. There may be moments in your life when you get a random hot flush, or goosebumps, or you simply find it difficult to breathe – for no reason at all. All these things are due to the activity of your Prana energy. Through mastering your breathing in pranayama, we can learn to make our bodies experience different sensations at different times – so for example, we can train ourselves to feel warm even when we are someplace very cold.

http://malavikasuresh.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/the-anatomy-of-our-lightbody-prana/





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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18961082 - 10/10/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Hundreds of articles relating qi and tingling.




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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18961146 - 10/10/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You see all the dots are connected, ASMR, Tingling, Goosebumps, prana, chi . . . :smirk:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18961256 - 10/10/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18961906 - 10/10/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Autonomous Sensory Meridian Response (ASMR) is a physical sensation characterized by a pleasurable tingling that typically begins in the head and scalp, and often moves down the spine and through the limbs.

and then this:

https://www.google.com/#q=qi+and+tingling

Hundreds of articles relating qi and tingling.





And where exactly is the part where it says it is due to the willful manipulation of energy to other parts of the body or the speeding or heating up of electrons and such?

ASMR just sounds like the reaction you would get from using a head massager...


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18962271 - 10/11/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've got to get me one of those. It gives me goose bumps just thinking about it. :naughty:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Rahz]
    #18962689 - 10/11/13 05:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This thread just blows all my expectations. I mean I know this is the shroomery, a place involved in potent psychedelics, but what I am hearing now is just a complete show stopper.

Hold on, let me get this straight.
Do you mean to say we have goosebumps AND TINGLING?!? :eek:  :goat:  :waitwhatthehell:  :holyfuckdude:

:mindblown:

That's amazing! We have to rewrite ALL of science now! :lol:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Cactilove]
    #18962752 - 10/11/13 06:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Cactilove said:
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Autonomous Sensory Meridian Response (ASMR) is a physical sensation characterized by a pleasurable tingling that typically begins in the head and scalp, and often moves down the spine and through the limbs.

and then this:

https://www.google.com/#q=qi+and+tingling

Hundreds of articles relating qi and tingling.





And where exactly is the part where it says it is due to the willful manipulation of energy to other parts of the body or the speeding or heating up of electrons and such?





You must be confused, that was my personal definition used to describe the phenomena that I provided evidence for.

Chi and Prana is synonymous with energy.

QiQong, and Kunalini Yoga are both aspects dedicated to controlling and utilizing this sort of energy efficiently. It's really not that hard to put two and two together and honestly I don't know why I'm explaining it to you because you are obviously not listening or putting in any effort yourself to determine if what I say is true.

The hypothesis I presented is a possible definition, utilizing both my subjective experience with objective data to formulate a likely definition of what is happening.

I doubt you hardly understand what the acceleration of electrons to a higher energy state even means . . lol. If you did you wouldn't be arguing the point. (Transference of electrons from one atoms to another, it is bioelectrical.)

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biΒ·oΒ·eΒ·lecΒ·tric  (b--lktrk) also biΒ·oΒ·eΒ·lecΒ·triΒ·cal (-tr-kl)
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1.  Of or having to do with the electric current generated by living tissue.





All of our bodies are run by electrical phenomena.

:havesomescience:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Spacerific]
    #18962761 - 10/11/13 06:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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That's amazing! We have to rewrite ALL of science now! :lol:





Lol, not that it would make any difference to you.

I hear your mother calling you.

:imafirinmahlazer:

I know, hard to believe that our body runs of electrical phenomena right, and some can even control that electrical transference.

:bearbreakdance:


From the Krebs Cycle and the electron transport chain to glycolysis, our bodies run off the transportation and manipulation of electrons, it's just generally autonomous and people don't notice it.

:rocketcrotch:


Edited by teknix (10/11/13 07:18 AM)


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18963016 - 10/11/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You're double posting is getting prtty old OP.  if you have something of value to say make it into one post. 

I feel you are trying to prove something you have no grasp of.

also.  You stated you practiced science and dealt with facts, yet you express the exact opposite.  You're reaching out attempting to tie things together to make your hypothesis work, but it just doesn't make sense.

the control you have over your goosebumps is nothing special.  In fact, its a simple feat.  I'm certain if anyone sat in a cold room and focused on the cold and thought of having goosebumps they could do the same thing. 

like muscle memory it can be a controlled reaction.  its not the focusing of chi.

if you were truly into the science fact of it you would come up with a hypothesis to test it, like the aforementioned idea of placing people in a cooler and trying to have them stimulate the efdect. 

whe. you arrive at a decent answer of percentage of people who can and can't, then you can move forward.

until then you're little "trick"  is nothing but you giving yourself a boner.

literally, its the same fucking function. 

Let me explain for you.  i, scratch that, every man! can give himself an erection merely by having erotic thoughts, at least if they are healthy. 

Now in having these thoughts, man literally alters the flow of blood and its direction.  chemistry, not chi


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18963265 - 10/11/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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teknix said:
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Autonomous Sensory Meridian Response (ASMR) is a physical sensation characterized by a pleasurable tingling that typically begins in the head and scalp, and often moves down the spine and through the limbs.





and then this:

https://www.google.com/#q=qi+and+tingling

Hundreds of articles relating qi and tingling.



https://www.google.com/#q=jesus+was+an+alien

Your search for "qi and tingling" only returned around 3,000,00 results, whereas there are more than 42,000,000 results for "Jesus was an alien."

There are also more than 37,000,000 results for "chi isn't real."
https://www.google.com/search?q=qi+is+bullshit&rlz=1C1TSNP_enUS472US472&oq=qi+is+bullshit&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.3450j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#es_sm=93&espv=210&q=chi+isn't+real

So, if number of search results = credibility... :shrug:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: NetDiver]
    #18963284 - 10/11/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't say that the amount of results represented anything other than the fact that ASMR was already defined as Chi and Prana previously.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: omegafaust]
    #18963300 - 10/11/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You're double posting is getting prtty old OP.  if you have something of value to say make it into one post. 

I feel you are trying to prove something you have no grasp of.

also.  You stated you practiced science and dealt with facts, yet you express the exact opposite.  You're reaching out attempting to tie things together to make your hypothesis work, but it just doesn't make sense.

the control you have over your goosebumps is nothing special.  In fact, its a simple feat.  I'm certain if anyone sat in a cold room and focused on the cold and thought of having goosebumps they could do the same thing. 

like muscle memory it can be a controlled reaction.  its not the focusing of chi.

if you were truly into the science fact of it you would come up with a hypothesis to test it, like the aforementioned idea of placing people in a cooler and trying to have them stimulate the efdect. 

whe. you arrive at a decent answer of percentage of people who can and can't, then you can move forward.

until then you're little "trick"  is nothing but you giving yourself a boner.

literally, its the same fucking function. 

Let me explain for you.  i, scratch that, every man! can give himself an erection merely by having erotic thoughts, at least if they are healthy. 

Now in having these thoughts, man literally alters the flow of blood and its direction.  chemistry, not chi




You are simply making bare claims and stating your opinion, if it is so simple then do it and post the results. You are also using false analogies and failing to use any logical evidence for your claims.

Do it if it is so easy.

You have a lot of talk but very little walk.

If you can replicate the experiment then maybe people will believe you, otherwise you are blowing hot air.

Unless of course you are simply claiming you have erectile dysfunction . . .

:lol:



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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18963405 - 10/11/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not everybody can do it, just like not everybody can do that thing where they roll their tongue up. Doesn't mean it's supernatural, and just because some people connect ASMR with qi doesn't mean a thing. Plenty of people associated Quetzocatl with 2012 and reptilians with the September 11 attacks.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: NetDiver]
    #18963516 - 10/11/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You claim that I'm making bare claims?  Are you dense? 

My analagies apply directly to the subject at hand, if you think otherwise then please elaborate instead of just pointing a finger and saying nuh-uh!

And why the hell would I waste my time filming a video just to satisfy your ego. 
I am not the one trying to prove something.

Let me point fingers a bit. 

When someone makes a contradictory post to you disputing your idea you claim they are saying more about themselves than you.  i think you have it mixed up, you're refusal to accept the fact you may be wrong influences your emotional stability, and as a result you project your onto that person


All you do is twist words and meaning and shy away from your own insecurities.  you seem to stumble when confronted with objection.

having made this post clearly exemplifies the fact that you are seeking attention and renown.

but of course you will say that i must feel this way about myself and yet again divert the issue.


So I say again.  what is the flaw to my premise and analogies?


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    #18963863 - 10/11/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You must be confused, that was my personal definition used to describe the phenomena that I provided evidence for.

Chi and Prana is synonymous with energy.

QiQong, and Kunalini Yoga are both aspects dedicated to controlling and utilizing this sort of energy efficiently. It's really not that hard to put two and two together and honestly I don't know why I'm explaining it to you because you are obviously not listening or putting in any effort yourself to determine if what I say is true.

The hypothesis I presented is a possible definition, utilizing both my subjective experience with objective data to formulate a likely definition of what is happening.

I doubt you hardly understand what the acceleration of electrons to a higher energy state even means . . lol. If you did you wouldn't be arguing the point. (Transference of electrons from one atoms to another, it is bioelectrical.)




:rolleyes: You are not making any sense. First you refuse to provide a definition by saying it cannot be explained with human language, then you say it is the heating of electrons and willful transference of energy. Then you go on to say that Chi is actually ASMR, but the scientists just gave it a new name. Now you are saying that I am confused, suggesting that I am incorrect in my understanding while suggesting that your definition of chi has little to do with ASMR, which makes no sense, because as stated previously, you made the claim that Chi IS ASMR. I don't think you have any idea what the fuck you are talking about. If on the slight chance that you do, please for the sake of your argument, try to spend a little more time on your posts in an effort to make them more coherent.:awethumb:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: NetDiver]
    #18963938 - 10/11/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:
Not everybody can do it, just like not everybody can do that thing where they roll their tongue up. Doesn't mean it's supernatural, and just because some people connect ASMR with qi doesn't mean a thing. Plenty of people associated Quetzocatl with 2012 and reptilians with the September 11 attacks.




I never said it is supernatural.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: omegafaust]
    #18963952 - 10/11/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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omegafaust said:
You claim that I'm making bare claims?  Are you dense? 

My analagies apply directly to the subject at hand, if you think otherwise then please elaborate instead of just pointing a finger and saying nuh-uh!

And why the hell would I waste my time filming a video just to satisfy your ego. 
I am not the one trying to prove something.

Let me point fingers a bit. 

When someone makes a contradictory post to you disputing your idea you claim they are saying more about themselves than you.  i think you have it mixed up, you're refusal to accept the fact you may be wrong influences your emotional stability, and as a result you project your onto that person


All you do is twist words and meaning and shy away from your own insecurities.  you seem to stumble when confronted with objection.

having made this post clearly exemplifies the fact that you are seeking attention and renown.

but of course you will say that i must feel this way about myself and yet again divert the issue.


So I say again.  what is the flaw to my premise and analogies?




False analogy, an erection is common to all men, except those with dysfunction.

The control of goose bumps is not common to all or even a majority as it seems.


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