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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18956032 - 10/09/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Like I'd ever be as retarded as to show her this useless pointless thread :lol:

I've never disputed the effectiveness of Qi-Gong as a practice. It includes movement, breath work, massage, stretching, striking, working one's pressure points and meridians in various ways, long complex visualizations, all manner of things. I've seen its practitioners be healthy, active, vibrant individuals.

I am merely disputing your association of irrelevant goosebumps with the shifty definition you have of Chi.

If you practice Internal Alchemy and you thought goosebumps are worth making this much fuss about, I would suggest getting a new manual to study from.

I just don't get why it's so important for you that the rest of the posters here believe you. If you'd actually feel enough improvement in your own life, from your practice, that would be far more than enough proof and validation for you. If you keep coming here and try really hard to convince everybody of your amazing Chi feats, it seems to me like you'd really WANT TO do some amazing things with Chi, be special in some way because of it, but definitely cannot be bothered to actually put in the major practice time required.

Hence we have goosebumps threads and grasping at straws. Quite lame. Come back when you can actually show something.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Spacerific]
    #18956067 - 10/09/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Show her the video and ask her if it could be evidence of Qi.

You like to use her as an example here, so maybe you should allow her input on the matter as well.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Spacerific]
    #18956081 - 10/09/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Like I'd ever be as retarded as to show her this useless pointless thread :lol:

I've never disputed the effectiveness of Qi-Gong as a practice. It includes movement, breath work, massage, stretching, striking, working one's pressure points and meridians in various ways, long complex visualizations, all manner of things. I've seen its practitioners be healthy, active, vibrant individuals.

I am merely disputing your association of irrelevant goosebumps with the shifty definition you have of Chi.

If you practice Internal Alchemy and you thought goosebumps are worth making this much fuss about, I would suggest getting a new manual to study from.

I just don't get why it's so important for you that the rest of the posters here believe you. If you'd actually feel enough improvement in your own life, from your practice, that would be far more than enough proof and validation for you. If you keep coming here and try really hard to convince everybody of your amazing Chi feats, it seems to me like you'd really WANT TO do some amazing things with Chi, be special in some way because of it, but definitely cannot be bothered to actually put in the major practice time required.

Hence we have goosebumps threads and grasping at straws. Quite lame. Come back when you can actually show something.




Then show us how easy it is :smile:

You're still missing the point I think. It isn't about me, it's about you. You're making it about me, rather than making any point. You are making bare assertions and bragging about your mother . . lol, whom you don't even ask.

If she is the expert in your life then ask her what she thinks.

Chi and Prana is a broad term,  just as ASMR is a broad term, and scientifically Qi and Prana both take precedence over ASMR.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18957610 - 10/10/13 01:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You're still missing the point I think. It isn't about me, it's about you. You're making it about me, rather than making any point. You are making bare assertions and bragging about your mother . . lol, whom you don't even ask.

If she is the expert in your life then ask her what she thinks.

Chi is a broad term, Tian Qi is narrowed down, just as ASMR is a broad term and Type A is narrowed down. Yet Tian Qi has been around for millennia and scientifically it takes precedence over other names.






I don't think you understand man. Lets try another way. Your goosebump trick which you want to provide as evidence for Chi is just a tiny fraction of the so called possibility's when tapping into Chi right?

So if maintaining regular practice of Chi and suppose it does exist , it would evolve over time right ? If you can trigger goosebumps at will because of Chi who's to say you couldn't fly one day using the same mechanics , or perhaps draw out that Chi and effect the Physical world with it.

On the opposite end of the minor thing you suggest lie extreme possibilities, the kind I'm sure even the greatest of skeptic would welcome. My point is i would love to believe you and i'm sure others would too, which kid didn't want superpowers at some point ?

People are not discrediting your claim of evidence for mere laughs rather than it dosnt hold its weight , your grounding is very weak/non existent.


As i said in my last post that you ignored, if you believe what you say OP fuck off and practice your technique, the situation of this thread to me reads like someone who knows how to play 1 chord on a Instrument and goes around showcasing it.

Who wants to listen to you play 1 chord with no variation all day long?

Learn a song and maybe people will give it a fair listen until then your just fooling yourself,  wtf 16 pages later and all you have convinced me of is that you are BORED.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18957941 - 10/10/13 04:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid: :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: 

Maybe if enough people tell you in different ways you'll get the point. Goosebumps amount to nothing when compared with years of practice in tummo, Shaolin monks' needles thrown through glass or hanging by the neck, and many other achievements of actual practitioners.

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Hence we have goosebumps threads and grasping at straws. Quite lame. Come back when you can actually show something.




Then show us how easy it is :smile:




I have, genius. I've shown you a thread with more than a dozen people who can do it, and a video of random Joe who can do it. This means that it's either very easy to train, or (more likely I believe) happening naturally in a % of the population, thus proving absolutely nothing.

A certain % of people have a naturally split tongue, meaning they can whistle super loudly without having to use two fingers. It's not everybody, it's probably less than a quarter of the population who has this, but if you do, it's working out of the box, you need no training whatsoever. I have it for instance. Now you tell me, is this something worth bragging about and reading much into?

Note that the feats I mentioned above (tummo, needles through glass, hanging by the neck) are NOT prevalent in any section of the population without training. Goosebumps are. As far as I'm concerned you put in very very little practice, you noticed you could do this and came here to boast with your "proof of Chi". Yeah right :rolleyes:

The fact that I was mentioning my mother has nothing to do with her personally, the point was that there is a certain lifestyle that goes together with this stuff. Just like martial arts, in the first 5-10 years of practice, this is best learned with a group and instructor, and regular meetings. You can try learning martial arts at home alone from the internet, but your level of performance will be incredibly low compared to what people do at a proper dojo, when they've met twice weekly for many many years. People do go and train successfully by themselves, alone in the forest. These are black belts who already have very solid foundations on what and how to train, from having learned previously for many years, with a group and master.

All of this you do not have, and that's why all you can show is goosebumps. Probably not even a trained skill :lol:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Spacerific]
    #18957965 - 10/10/13 04:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Here OP, here's how real practitioners do it. Just for comparison.
Place this side by side with your goosebumps video, then see if yours is really the "best objective evidence of chi" :lol:



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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Withinity]
    #18958015 - 10/10/13 05:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't think you understand man. Lets try another way. Your goosebump trick which you want to provide as evidence for Chi is just a tiny fraction of the so called possibility's when tapping into Chi right?





Sure it is, Chi is a broad term, which includes inner-fire, innersmile, ying, yang, void, heart bliss, metta, intuition, third eye, etc, etc.

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So if maintaining regular practice of Chi and suppose it does exist , it would evolve over time right ?





How would you know? I'm not sure what you mean by evolve? Evolve as in Darwins Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection?


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If you can trigger goosebumps at will because of Chi who's to say you couldn't fly one day using the same mechanics , or perhaps draw out that Chi and effect the Physical world with it.





No one it saying they can't, but there isn't any evidence for it and I practice science. So I prefer evidence over claims.

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On the opposite end of the minor thing you suggest lie extreme possibilities, the kind I'm sure even the greatest of skeptic would welcome. My point is i would love to believe you and i'm sure others would too, which kid didn't want superpowers at some point ?





I don't want you to believe me, and what does this have to do with superpowers? Maybe you are hoping that I throw a fireball, lol . . .

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People are not discrediting your claim of evidence for mere laughs rather than it dosnt hold its weight , your grounding is very weak/non existent.





On what basis besides your personal opinion? Do you not understand the definitions of Qi and Prana and ASMR, and the scientific precedence that Prana and Chi would take over ASMR? Or are you simply denying that ASMR is a real phenomena and if so why?

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As i said in my last post that you ignored, if you believe what you say OP fuck off and practice your technique, the situation of this thread to me reads like someone who knows how to play 1 chord on a Instrument and goes around showcasing it.





That is probably the worse analogy yet, of course you are putting yourself as a mind reader who knows everything going on inside of me. There is plenty more of things that the practices lead too, but most of them don't have visible and objective evidence of the occurrence.


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Who wants to listen to you play 1 chord with no variation all day long?





You evidently, because you have yet to back up any of your claims.

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Learn a song and maybe people will give it a fair listen until then your just fooling yourself,  wtf 16 pages later and all you have convinced me of is that you are BORED.




I'm not fooling anyone, I'm providing evidence both visible, sound logical and rational evidence for my claims. You on the other hand are just making claims and bad analogies which are fallacious arguments and without any evidence for any of your claims and putting yourself as a mind reader or an omniscient narrator, to make the claims that you have.

In fact, you are being cynical rather than skeptical, because you are holding onto your beliefs and your position after having been provided with legitimate evidence. Not to mention shifty, as you keep changing your claims. My claims have not changed because that is the point of this thread, a single phenomena with legitimate evidence, there is no reason to go off on the other phenomena here because that isn't what is being discussed or what evidence is being provided for. Unless of course you would like to provide everyone with some evidence of your claims?

I highly doubt that you have any such evidence of any phenomena, because such phenomena doesn't generally manifest from such closed minded bias. I know that you don't have any evidence, and the fact is that I do have evidence.

Soo without further ado . . . .

:bye:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Spacerific]
    #18958023 - 10/10/13 05:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Here OP, here's how real practitioners do it. Just for comparison.
Place this side by side with your goosebumps video, then see if yours is really the "best objective evidence of chi" :lol:







Since this stuff is so easy, then why don't you post your personal evidence or why doesn't anyone else post their personal evidence that is just as profound or more so? I'll tell you why, because they/you don't have any.

This is the best objective evidence for Qi, because it has been objectified through ASMR and many other cultures. If you want to know if someone is exhibiting Qi, now you know a way to tell if you can't feel it. It is the best because it is very simple and required no other tools than your eyes. I would guess there are way more fakers than there are people with legitimate abilities.



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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18958177 - 10/10/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I cannot back my claims up because as far as I'm concerned i haven't made any , i was merely giving my opinion on a 16 page thread that is going in circles and the guy keeping it alive. But I'm willing to Elaborate on a few things that you might perceive as claims.

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I don't think you understand man. Lets try another way. Your goosebump trick which you want to provide as evidence for Chi is just a tiny fraction of the so called possibility's when tapping into Chi right?





Sure it is, it is specifically Tian Qi, Chi is a broad term, which includes inner-fire, innersmile, yin, yang, void, heart bliss, metta, intuition, third eye, etc, etc.



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So if maintaining regular practice of Chi and suppose it does exist , it would evolve over time right ?





How would you know? I'm not sure what you mean by evolve? Evolve as in Darwins Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection?




Well you already agreed that the goosebump raising is just a tiny fraction , so i thought that it would be safe to assume that if one continuously held a practice when it came to Chi they would eventually progress much in the same way anyone improves upon anything.

Raising the hair on your arms cannot be the pinnacle of evidence when it comes to Chi , i get that its the only example we have at the moment to work off though there are greater implications in this evidence if it were to be for real.

The rest of what of what I said was just an extension of these opinionated points which i tried to get across with my shitty analogies and personanlism's.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18958192 - 10/10/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry for telling you to Fuckoff that wasn't very nice. I just think your wasting your time with this thread but that's not for me to judge.


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    #18958217 - 10/10/13 07:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Sorry for telling you to Fuckoff that wasn't very nice. I just think your wasting your time with this thread but that's not for me to judge.




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    #18958531 - 10/10/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

As far as I'm concerned OP, you're one of some random percentage of the population, that can simply generate goosebumps on command. It's not just you, it's plenty of others. And this has absolutely nothing to do with Qi, Chi, Prana, Kundalini or any other form of mystical energy, alleged, real or imagined.

Maybe you just happened to realize this at the same time as you were practicing your "Internal Alchemy" stuff, and falsely concluded that you've trained this amazing skill. Maybe you have, maybe you haven't. My money is on the latter, since there are so many others who can do it without training.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Spacerific]
    #18958554 - 10/10/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:lol:

I posted in that thread years ago.

Even if they don't know it is chi or prana or claim that, it doesn't mean that it isn't. In fact the opposite is true, because they are calling it ASMR, which I have explained like 4 or 5 times now, already had a name before that.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18958582 - 10/10/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Here's my post lol:

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Well, I guess I am here to un-toot everyones whistle. What you are experiencing is not "special", anyone and everyone can experience this. It has been described since Ancient Times, from the Egyptians to the Yogi's. Sure the subjective interpretations are going to be differing to say the least.

Yogi's would probably call this third eye activation, or awakening. Chineese call it Micro Cosmic Orbit. (qiqong)

Basically it is moving awareness of the Pituitary and Pineal glands. This has all been described by the ancients and us westerners are just catching up.


The next step is to find the Heart and LOVE. Yes the actual feeling of love for the entire universe, not to exclude anyone or anything. This practice is called Metta by many.


Visuddhimagga instructions

Contemporary instruction for the cultivation of loving-kindness β€” such as is found in the works of Sharon Salzberg,[11] the Triratna Buddhist Community's Kamalashila,[5] and Matthieu Ricard[12] β€” is often based in part on a method found in Buddhaghosa's 5th c. CE Pāli exegetical text, the Path to Purification (Pali:Visuddhimagga), Chapter IX.[13][14] This traditional approach is best known for identifying successive stages of meditation during which one progressively cultivates loving-kindness towards:

1.oneself[15]
2.a good friend[16]
3.a "neutral" person
4.a difficult person[17]
5.all four of the above equally[18][19]
6.and then gradually the entire universe[20]

One should avoid choosing someone to whom one is sexually attracted or who is dead.[21] For a "neutral" person, choose someone that you might come into contact with every day, but who does not give rise to strong positive nor strong negative emotions. For a "difficult" person, traditionally choose an enemy, but avoid choosing a person who has just wrecked your life, unless you are very well grounded in awareness.

Matthieu Ricard has recommended we choose to meditate on somebody for whom it is very easy for us to feel unconditional love and compassion.

It is the frequencies of the music that may cause this for you, and there is already much study and info done on it. We call it Solfeggio Harmonic. Each frequency is tuned to the very energy centers.

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=428.175





So it sounds like you are sorta kinda maybe preaching to the preacher, lol.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18958600 - 10/10/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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    #18958611 - 10/10/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Probably as soon as they realize that I don't think I'm special, lol.


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: teknix]
    #18958655 - 10/10/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Probably as soon as they realize that I don't think I'm special, lol.




The past few pages of this thread contradict this statement in my opinion. In other words, to many people on this forum you appear to think you are precisely the opposite of what you are suggesting in this statement.
To put it simply you don't come off that way. It's just my honest opinion. :shrug:


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    #18958681 - 10/10/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I never claimed that, so it's your own personal perception and bias that brings that conclusion, what objective evidence is there? I was simply entertaining the absurd arguments for shits and giggles.

If you read my post from 2 years ago you can probably figure it out.


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    #18958689 - 10/10/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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To put it simply you don't come off that way. It's just my honest opinion. :shrug:



And mine :thumbup:

OP reminds me of this right here :rofl:


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Re: The Best Objective Evidence of Chi. [Re: Spacerific]
    #18958694 - 10/10/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Rofl, you guys are hilarious.

:lol:

"I think this guy thinks he's special . . . I better let him know that he's not or the world may be doomed!"

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