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RocKerWasH
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here's my pachanoi and trichocereus and lophophora seedlings
#18933354 - 10/04/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is a trichocereus pachinoi that I bought at a local nursery. I bought it about three months ago. The pot it came in was barely the diameter of the cactus, so I reported two days after I bought it and waited a week to water it. The problem is it hasn't grown at all in three months.
Here are some loph and trich seedlings that I planted about one and a half months ago. Cactus plaza did a great job. I ordered 100 mixed lophophora seeds and I received about 150. I also ordered 100 mixed trichocereus seeds and they sent me like 500. One more attaboy for cactus plaza, ordered some yopo seeds,20, and I got 35. But anyways, I'm new to growing cacti from seed, this is my second time, the first time was sabotaged by my cat. But what do you guys think
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Re: here's my pachanoi and trichocereus and lophophora seedlings [Re: RocKerWasH]
#18933854 - 10/04/13 11:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seems pachanoi cactus.
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RocKerWasH
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Re: here's my pachanoi and trichocereus and lophophora seedlings [Re: intelligentlife]
#18933952 - 10/04/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you think it's not growing because I reported it. I was under the impression that San Pedro's grew approximately one foot per year. I thought in three months I would have three inches of growth, too high of expectations???
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Re: here's my pachanoi and trichocereus and lophophora seedlings [Re: RocKerWasH]
#18934061 - 10/05/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They may be some factors, for not growing, first of is watering. Did you water him at all?If not it will not grow! It seems that is a cutting, did it have roots?
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Re: here's my pachanoi and trichocereus and lophophora seedlings [Re: RocKerWasH]
#18934072 - 10/05/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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When people say it grows a foot per year they are talking about mature plants, you will not see anywhere near that much growth in the first year from seed. It's been a long time since I grew trichocereus from seed, but IIRC it was probably more like a year or more before mine reached 3 inches. If you want to speed things up you could get some Pereskiopsis and graft them to that.
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Re: here's my pachanoi and trichocereus and lophophora seedlings [Re: RocKerWasH]
#18934580 - 10/05/13 03:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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RocKerWasH said: Do you think it's not growing because I reported it. I was under the impression that San Pedro's grew approximately one foot per year. I thought in three months I would have three inches of growth, too high of expectations???
San pedro growth speed is not "one foot per year"
Cactus double the size in one year and actually one foot(or more) per year are growth speed of few feet long cactus.
For example: 4inch cactus are probably after one year at size of 8inch or so.. Then 8inch cactus are after one year(season) size over one foot. After that one foot per season/year can be achieved with san pedro.
Small plants doesn't grow one foot in year, they double their size until they are big enough.. After cactus reach big long size as column, it starts to branch from base to get more mass.
Think it about how much mass cactus grow per year and san pedro can be said "double the mass per season"
So it's from 30-50cm per year of growth. If cactus is adult and big. Short cuttings even they are from old cactus, doesn't reach one foot per year growth. So the growth speed is increasing when cactus is getting older compared to small cactus cause big cactus grow more mass per year than small cutting.
In my condition, when trichocereus column are ~12inch tall and have nice roots.. I have measured about 2-3cm(~1inch/2,5cm) per month of growth when it's growing season so one foot per year is possible when growth season is 12months, but I keep dry periods at winter for plants so I need long and large root system having trichocereus before one foot per year of growth can be achieved.
I have get some understanding about growth speed of trichocereus when I have seen and growth small plants and bigger plants and they are in general double their size at growth season.
I have at the moment one peruvian torch cactus(my slowest tricho as well) it was ~10cm(4inch) long when I got it. Now after two years it's +40cm long. After first year it was about 20cm. So double the mass per year is regular rule of growth speed of trichocereus.
Another example, I buy'd 12cm "san pedro" what seems to be some sort of hybrid, it's now 29cm cactus. Average with my trichocereus growth speed is 1inch(2-3cm) per month after they reach enough size. Young plants can stretch cause of etiolation and "double" the size in 3months but it's not same thing cause it's cause of etiolation..
If your photo is from cutting, it can etiolate before it starts to grow fat again but that happens cause of small roots taking water. When cactus got roots large enough, the diameter will get fatter and later as fat as cactus in the pot. Good dry and wet soil circumstances you can control the growth during rooting so etiolation can be prevent but what I see in your picture, cactus probably grows slim few inches before it starts to get fat.
I have took lots of fat but short cuttings, they doesn't grow as fat as they are but later they will start to get more diameter when they got mass and roots.
Edited by intelligentlife (10/05/13 03:40 AM)
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RocKerWasH
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Re: here's my pachanoi and trichocereus and lophophora seedlings [Re: intelligentlife]
#18937101 - 10/05/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank for the reply guys. The pachanoi in the pic is not a cutting, I bought it from a local nursery. When I repotted it the small pot it came in was packed full of roots. Maybe this growing season the cactus is putting its energy into filling the new pot with roots and maybe next growing season it will put its energy into the plant and not the roots. Hopefully my seedlings will take off next grow season. Currently my loph seedlings are like 3-4mm in diameter and my trichocereus are 3-4mm tall.
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Re: here's my pachanoi and trichocereus and lophophora seedlings [Re: RocKerWasH]
#18937148 - 10/05/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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have it exposed to full sun in the morning and shade in the afternoon, it seems like it might not be getting enough light
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Re: here's my pachanoi and trichocereus and lophophora seedlings [Re: 420milehigh]
#18937543 - 10/05/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It will eventually take off. Could be a little shocked from repotting. IME cacti roots are more delicate than other plants. Also mine start to slow down when the weather starts to cool. Be careful putting the pachanoi in intense sunlight. You'll have to acclimate it a little at a time. Might want to consider dormancy inside for the cold months depending on your climate. When spring comes around and you get it back in the sun it will take off. Those seedlings on the other hand are gonna take a couple years to get any size. Go with the above advice and look into grafting a few since you have a good handful.
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Re: here's my pachanoi and trichocereus and lophophora seedlings [Re: drizzle7788]
#18938965 - 10/06/13 05:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What did you use for soil? I just germinated a few trich seeds in water and stuck them in regular compost soil for now.
I've read that pachanoi's need a mix of 1/3 washed sand, 1/3 cactus compost and 1/3 perlite for potting mix. Is this true or can I get away using a cheaper/easier alternative?
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Re: here's my pachanoi and trichocereus and lophophora seedlings [Re: OccamsChainsaw]
#18939745 - 10/06/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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you want it well draining, the more it retains water the more likely you'll encounter rot.... I use about 50% small gravel and 25% sand and 25% dirt.... you can do it cheaply but if it is just soil and compost you might run into some problems
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