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Would you fruit these?
    #18932338 - 10/04/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I spawned to 7 buckets. (Rye/Coir/Verm/Gypsum)Four of them were definitely ready but I'm not so sure about these other three. All 7 were made at the same time 8 days ago. I'm going away for the weekend and I'm worried that if I don't put them into fruiting now, maybe they will have gone too long by the time I get back. What do you think?







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Re: Would you fruit these? [Re: CitizenErased]
    #18932406 - 10/04/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I would wait till you get back so they are 100%. I can't see there is gonna be any ill effect if they are left for possibly 1 or 2 days after full colonisation


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Re: Would you fruit these? [Re: Skinty]
    #18932514 - 10/04/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you have a casing layer fruit it! if you dont then wait a day or two


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Re: Would you fruit these? [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
    #18932608 - 10/04/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Some people wait till they see pins before setting fruiting conditions and I don't even see any knotting on yours. So yeah, you'll be fine to let them colonize for a few more days.


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Re: Would you fruit these? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18933728 - 10/04/13 11:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Those are not fully colonized. Wait until there is no bare substrate.

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SpitballJedi said:
Some people wait till they see pins before setting fruiting conditions and I don't even see any knotting on yours. So yeah, you'll be fine to let them colonize for a few more days.




Bulk substrate needs no "consolidation."

Consolidation is for highly nutritious substrates such as BRF + verm. The mycelium needs time to digest the substrate before fruiting.

Bulk substrate is less nutritious than PF cakes and can be fruited at 100%. As fresh air is the number one pinning trigger, it is important to give it what it needs as soon as possible for best results.



My two cents on the practical application of consolidating bulk is this:

When I'm fruiting my tubs, I try to avoid aborts whenever possible. I hate the little fuckers, taking up space on my substrate and failing to mature into the beautiful mushroom I know they could be.

Back when I first started working with tubs a lot, I did consolidate everything. The pinsets could end up being quite massive!

But come harvest time, I would find a shitload of my pretty pinset aborted. That sucks.

When colonizing your tub, the RH is near 100%.

Your mycelium needs this (and high CO2 levels) to grow rapidly while it consumes the available substrate. After 100% colonization, the mycelium realizes it has no more food available to it and starts trying to pin. This process of going from "ready" to "pinning" takes a few days to a week depending on what you are working with.

Here is my theory:

By keeping the colonizing conditions (100% RH and high CO2) when your tub is starting to knot up, you are essentially "tricking" the mycelium into thinking that 100% RH and high CO2 levels are what it has to work with.

When you change this abruptly (at the sight of pins, for example) you are going to be making the conditions less ideal for the pinset that has been produced. That leads to a larger number of aborts.

You can certainly get a larger pinset when you consolidate your tubs. I don't have any doubt. 

But I've said it before, a larger pinset is not necessarily a better pinset.

For these reasons, I choose to give it fresh air as soon as it is 100% colonized. By doing this I introduce my mycelium to its fruiting conditions as soon as possible. so that it can be "accustomed" to them and fruit as well as it can with what it has got. I hope this makes sense :thumbup:


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Re: Would you fruit these? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18935728 - 10/05/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I was not suggesting consolidation or waiting for knotting or pins, I was just giving another reason why he would be okay to let it sit for the weekend. Based on his pics, letting it sit over the weekend would not be consolidating. Like you and someone else said, it's not even 100% colonized.


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Re: Would you fruit these? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #18946186 - 10/07/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well, it's been 11 days and they've been stalled in that condition for the last 4, so I'm assuming from what I've read that they're probably contaminated. Should I just fruit them anyway and see what I can get or wait a bit longer?


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Re: Would you fruit these? [Re: CitizenErased]
    #18946210 - 10/07/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just wait 'til you come back..
It's only the weekend.


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Re: Would you fruit these? [Re: Nice Ol Bud]
    #18946277 - 10/07/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I did come back. The original post was on Friday. It's Monday now.


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Re: Would you fruit these? [Re: CitizenErased]
    #18946440 - 10/07/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I would just start fruiting them. you'll get mush. Do you have a hepa filter or fan in the room?


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Re: Would you fruit these? [Re: PhosCap]
    #18946508 - 10/07/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No filter, but yeah I have fans.


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Re: Would you fruit these? [Re: CitizenErased]
    #18949818 - 10/08/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Go ahead and put them in to fruiting if they are 100% colonized. Some FAE may be just what it's waiting for.

A HEPA is useless at this point.


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