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Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms
    #18929050 - 10/04/13 12:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I always read posts of people trying to commit suicide on psychs and the "hell" you can be submersed into while on mushrooms. Can anyone elaborate on this hell people can experience? What is the most amount of mushrooms that you have taken and what was it like? I feel this serious tone everyone gives off, like respect the fungi and I can say that I do, I have not had a "bad" trip that people define bad trips as. Definitely no  hell. :mushroom2: Just odd even at 5g. I would like to get to a point of delusions and talk to an inanimate object, anyone ever do that? I got to a point where I was feeling just very overwhelmed at 5g and just needed some food and water, while I was eating I was soaring along my carpet that became a sea of little smiling toe headed people and they were giggling, just fucking odd shit. I am pretty confident in my self to flow with the trip and it all works out. I fucking love shrooms, please inform me on this tone of respecting the fungi, seems more like a fear than a respect thing, just saying.


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Re: Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms [Re: Mysticism]
    #18929080 - 10/04/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

ime, everyone reacts differently


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Re: Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms [Re: Mysticism]
    #18929119 - 10/04/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Bad trips can be really bad at high doses, especially if you panic and want out. There are few things worse than wanting out and knowing that there's no way out. It's not really a matter of a certain dose, although smaller doses are much easier to handle.

Different people panic in different ways. It's somewhat common for some people (especially beginners) to become convinced that they're going to die/remain this way forever/that they've gone insane. How people react to that is where you sometimes get disasters. Most people just lie down or lock themselves in a room or want to be alone, but some people freak the fuck out and can't handle their shit. That's when you get people breaking things, or screaming, or running, or freaking the fuck out in general.

It's already hard to think rationally on psychedelics, so you can imagine on a high dose with really intense mindfuck, time dilation, and negative feelings just how irrational some people can get. Mindfuck can reach the point where you really can't think at all, and then it's all down to how the individual reacts to that situation.

As zZZz said, it really depends on the person, everyone reacts differently.


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Re: Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms [Re: nooneman]
    #18929158 - 10/04/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I know the power of the shroom. Now that you put it that way it's always been about perception of what is going on. Some people can't handle their shit sober let alone on mushrooms. Hmmm psychs are fucking cool man. It is going down this Halloween man for sure.


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Re: Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms [Re: Mysticism]
    #18929168 - 10/04/13 12:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

details.. who and who?  :waits:


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Re: Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms [Re: zZZz]
    #18929176 - 10/04/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You and you. I don't get what you mean. I am ready to go for my first shamanic 5g trip ever. Both of you explain that everyone reacts differently to this psychoactive. It's all in your head, people freak the fuck out over very little things, let alone a being consuming drug.


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Re: Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms [Re: Mysticism]
    #18929281 - 10/04/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

so what are you saying?

that you can handle your shit and others cannot?. what did you really come in here for?..


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Re: Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms [Re: zZZz]
    #18929794 - 10/04/13 05:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:lol: OP you're going to get your ass handed to you one day and feel very very silly. I always love when people talk down bad trips as a matter of people "handling their shit." Well FYI my trips were all candyland too until I got my ass kicked. You certainly learn to handle it better the more experience you've got but I guarantee your first one you're going to be curled in a ball wishing you had hid the kitchen knives. Not fun stuff. Not the same as having a "weird" trip. You know all that euphoria you get at the peak of a good trip? Where there is no better feeling in the world and you are at the peak of all spiritual experience? A bad trip is the opposite of that


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Re: Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms [Re: Mysticism]
    #18929890 - 10/04/13 06:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Most commonly they turn people gay :wink:


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Re: Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #18929926 - 10/04/13 06:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

m,


Edited by user1837483975 (03/04/20 03:47 PM)


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Re: Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms [Re: user1837483975]
    #18930194 - 10/04/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Don't know I have ever read trip reports of people trying to committ suicide on psychedelics.
In 30 plus years of mushrooming and knowing a lot of people who have taken mushrooms, LSD, DMT, cactus, I don't know one single person who tried to committ suicide on them. Not saying people haven't had bad experience but...

I would advise anyone with mental problems not to take drugs of any kind that are not prescribed by a doctor. In my experience, only people who have mental problems after psychedelics had mental problems before they took psychedelics. 

I suggest that you do more home work, Read: http://www.shroomery.org/6267/A-Beginners-Approach-to-Psychedelic-Mushrooms

How to avoid bad trips: http://www.shroomery.org/6258/How-to-Avoid-a-Bad-Trip

But take them or not... You choose.


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Re: Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms [Re: user1837483975]
    #18930195 - 10/04/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Just avoid the ultra-high hero doses and you should be fine, OP.


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Re: Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms [Re: mpd]
    #18930282 - 10/04/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

ive gotten delusions when I find myself alone tripping or thinking to hard about introspection, never any thoughts of wanting to die thought,if anything i got feelings of quite the opposite. It makes you contemplate death for sure but it makes me value life so fucking much


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Re: Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms [Re: Agentchewy]
    #18930309 - 10/04/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Bad trips happen, often several times (I had 3 in a row, then I took a long break)

set,setting,dose

eat them as chocolates(less chance for bad trip IME) , and avoid eating mushrooms that don't look fresh/smell fresh (if in doubt throw them out... always)

bad trips can happen on low doses too, had one on 1.7g powder+redwine
and one on 41g wet..

they were both very bad, I was lucky I handled the situation well... mostly luck I think

when you're in a bad trip you can't think logically
you're stuck in the loop and you will do anything to escape it

that's when setting saved me... turned off cell phone+hide it, locked doors, alone , made sure I didn't get disturbed

it changed all my thoughts for the opposite of normal though......
my thoughts, my view on myself, my view on everything I see was changed for the worse(complete opposite of normal trip) in that 41g wet trip

but was over when the trip stopped in a few days

don't trip when your life situation isnt great, or from eating bacteria shrooms that have been in the refridgerator for too long and smell sour...

there is good reason to not take the mushroom lightly
bad trips downgrade your consciousness by a lot (hate,fear)
good trips upgrade it by a lot (love,acceptance,appreciation)

your mental state in everyday life decides if it becomes permanent afterwards

chose level up, let go of all thought, take the highest dose you dare :-)
lower doses / medium doses can often be more unpleasant


Edited by lessismore (10/04/13 09:45 AM)


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Re: Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms [Re: Mysticism] * 1
    #18930316 - 10/04/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Can anyone elaborate on this hell people can experience?




Sometimes the trips go to a very dark place. Here are links to a couple of high-dose trip reports if you are interested:

"My nightmares have gotten out of control and the fires are raging in my brain." - Hellbound in room 305

"Terrifying dungeons of tiredness and tightly-coiled evil await me. Sleep is like death.... There is something terrible about this drug."
50g Mexicana Sclerotia - BURN EVERYTHING

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please inform me on this tone of respecting the fungi, seems more like a fear than a respect thing




The idea of "respecting the shroom" is just good safety advice - as in never underestimate the drug, it's more powerful than you think. Don't take high doses in unsuitable situations.

But there is certainly a fear element too. There are far worse things than a bad trip, but for in-the-moment pure unadulterated psychological horror they can do a pretty good number on you. There are some trips where the feeling of discomfort and being overwhelmed combines with the delusional nature of the drug to scare the shit out of you.

:aliceshocker:

The "body load" from a heavy dose can become very intense, and sometimes the trip will descend from "negative thoughts" into a deeply hostile vibe, as though the trip is in independent entity and you are being punished for your stupidity / lack of respect. The room fills up with a sense of doom, as though some great, hostile power is waiting just beyond the boundaries of the trip as reality falls apart.

You have a panic attack, which combines with the body load, nausea, psychological torment and general discomfort into a sensation that you are about to die. You become more and more delusional as the drug takes hold, you begin to feel sure that the ominous presence within the trip is either God or some kind of alien entity which is about to remove you from the physical realm.

The trip is so strong that you are losing grip on reality, there is no choice except to surrender to God or whatever is out there. After the trip peaks, perhaps involving some kind of ego death, when you return to your senses you believe that you are dead, as if the world you inhabit is not the normal physical universe but some kind of afterlife that can be controlled by thought alone. By this point the mania and euphoria have kicked in and it's not a "bad trip" anymore, quite the opposite.

The next time you dose, it's not surprising if you feel the fear. Do you really want to take a drug that makes you think that you are dead? That gives the illusion of close encounters with limitless powers from the beyond? That is going to undermine and then annihilate your experience of a coherent conscious presence in a stable external world? Where each trip feels like a suicide followed by a return from the dead?

Of course you do, but you fear it as much as you long to get back there. And it gradually dawns on you that what you've been experiencing is not a bad trip, it's just a trip. It's supposed to be like that. It's a more powerful drug than you initially  thought. You learn to cope with it and you learn to respect it.

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I would like to get to a point of delusions




I do like the delusions from shrooms, up to a point. There seem to be two avenues I go down. One is an overwhelming feeling of the presence of God, which can end up as some kind of convoluted "revelations" trip that becomes more and more screwy until I become convinced that I am God (this happens quite a lot). I sometimes get a bit pissed off because I end up with a notebook full of psychotic delusional rambling and I'm too busy writing to pay attention to the visuals.

The other more interesting delusions are where the trip seems to reveal the presence of alien entities, where the closed-eye-visuals become a kind of gateway to another dimension beyond death where godlike "ancient aliens" control the fabric of the universe. It's like living through a cool science fiction movie.

In both these scenarios, the fractal/abstract/glowing/psychedelic realm which opens up with eyes closed often feels like a dimension where the dead exist, which can be a little unsettling as the CEV intensify.

In all these delusional scenarios, there isn't actually that much that is being "seen" in terms of open eye hallucinations that you wouldn't normally expect from a heavy psychedelic trip. No aliens in the room, no talking to inanimate objects (that sounds more like a datura trip -  fun to read about but something I have no intention of ingesting).

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I am pretty confident in my self to flow with the trip and it all works out.




With the right attitude you can skip a lot of the psychologically unpleasant elements of tripping, a lot of the unpleasantness comes from resisting. The problem is that it's difficult to avoid resisting the trip when you think that you are resisting death, and learning not to resist even the worst of it can be a very harsh lesson which takes a few trips.

If you feel too sure of yourself, it's easy to end up increasing the dosage until you hit a dose level that really takes you by surprise in an (initially) unpleasant way, where the trip no longer fits in with your easy-going attitude and drags you down into a very personal hell. "Flow with the trip" is a good motto, but you need to be prepared to flow right over the edge into the abyss. :peace:

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Re: Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms [Re: Aldebaran]
    #18931701 - 10/04/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



that was an awesome post.


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Re: Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms [Re: Aldebaran]
    #18932259 - 10/04/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Indeed very good advice. Haven't been there in a long time but this resonates.


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Re: Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms [Re: HarryL]
    #18932329 - 10/04/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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HarryL said:
Don't know I have ever read trip reports of people trying to committ suicide on psychedelics.
In 30 plus years of mushrooming and knowing a lot of people who have taken mushrooms, LSD, DMT, cactus, I don't know one single person who tried to committ suicide on them. Not saying people haven't had bad experience but...






honestly it's not unreasonable on a high dose. my first time taking ayahuasca i was begging the shaman to kill me. i could see where shit would have been way out of hand had I not been in the company of very good people.


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Re: Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms [Re: Mysticism]
    #18932337 - 10/04/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I would like to get to a point of delusions and talk to an inanimate object, anyone ever do that?




Some people do that all the time without shrooms. :lol:

You misunderstand what "respect" is in this context.  Once the mushrooms decide to kick your ass sideways you'll appreciate it more, though, so, no worries. :thumbup:

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Re: Dangers of using Magic Mushrooms [Re: paulhogandog]
    #18932484 - 10/04/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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paulhogandog said:


that was an awesome post.




"The room fills up with a sense of doom, as though some great, hostile power is waiting just beyond the boundaries of the trip as reality falls apart"


There will be time where this will resonate with you OP.  Then you can understand the respect around here for the mushroom.


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