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Lots of dying leaves within bud sites, to trim or leave alone?
    #18930993 - 10/04/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not sure if I should leave these or not. The plant is clearly sucking the nutrients out of them to use for bud development, but it's gotten to the point where these leaves have been essentially sucked dry right up into the buds themselves. The base of a lot of them is even beginning to become coated in crystals and otherwise, likely due to over trimming early on on my part, she doesn't have many fan leaves to capture solar energy so that's another reason I'm hesitant to trim them.

I'm thinking if I leave them they will either be sucked dry right up to the outline of the buds, fall of, and I'll be left with a perfectly nice cola that needs little to no trimming or they will not fall off, be difficult to trim, and then if left untrimmed possibly rot and contribute to fungal problems in the drying stage. On the other hand they may also simply dry out and fall off during the drying process, this being my first significant grow where I've tried to take good care of the plants I'm not sure what to do and thus seeking advice from more experienced growers out there. Have any of you dealt with something similar? What did or would you do in such a case?


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Re: Lots of dying leaves within bud sites, to trim or leave alone? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18932327 - 10/04/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

tug gently on them to see if they'll fall off, otherwise just leave it.... the buds will suck all the nutrients out of the leafs to grow plump, shouldn't be any fungal problems unless you have had a long period with cool temps and rain


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Re: Lots of dying leaves within bud sites, to trim or leave alone? [Re: 420milehigh]
    #18932371 - 10/04/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Cool, thanks. I'll check in the morning, but I think for the time being they're still snug in there. Had I not trimmed so much earlier they might have turned into buds by now and crystallized over, not too sure this being my first true attempt at growing. They're ALL over the bud sites, probably in part because she could have used more fertilization as well, but I just couldn't afford any.

Assuming they don't come out with a tug should they eventually fall off naturally? In other words they won't be stuck inside of the buds and contribute to rot/mold? Currently the temps are still fine and it's been dry for awhile so I have no worries about molding so long as it doesn't come from the plant herself. Also should I check every few days and pull what is loose or is it not too important either way?


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Re: Lots of dying leaves within bud sites, to trim or leave alone? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18932491 - 10/04/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

it should either pop off or fall off naturally, they shouldn't contribute to mold or fungus problems... yes check everyday and gently tug on them


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Re: Lots of dying leaves within bud sites, to trim or leave alone? [Re: 420milehigh]
    #18932532 - 10/04/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I should have asked, but a lot of them I'd consider to be actually a part of the buds, they have visible trichomes on them at least. Should I still pull them off or would it be best to just cut the dead/dying parts off when it's time to trim? At this point I'm really not sure how much more growing she's going to do, I'm expecting/hoping she's going to fill out a lot more, as I'm assuming she's using these leaves for energy, but I could also see it coming time for harvest and them still being there. I really just don't understand what she's going to do at this point and I'm also not sure how far along into flowering she even is so I can't vaguely guess at best how much time is left. She's mostly a sativa which I know take longer, and though we've had some cool days as a whole the temps are still in the 60's at night and 70's-low 80's in the day. I've read generally outdoor grows tend to take longer anyway and are more so done around the time that the temps start to get cold, is that pretty reliable?

To ask the first question more succinctly if I'm not giving her nutrient and none are left in the soil would you naturally expect her to FULLY extract from these in order to develop buds, or since there are some trichomes on the ends of these does that mean they are the buds and thus I have a problem of some sort? I can probably get a picture tomorrow if that would help.


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Re: Lots of dying leaves within bud sites, to trim or leave alone? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18932718 - 10/04/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

what week are you in?  whats the expected harvest time (in weeks)?


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Re: Lots of dying leaves within bud sites, to trim or leave alone? [Re: chuptoo]
    #18932755 - 10/04/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not sure when I even planted her tbh and being an outdoor grow it's not like there's a single day in which she switched to flowering since I don't control the sun. The strain is two pounder from kiwi seeds which says a 70-80 day flowering period. The best that I can guess is that I planted her probably in April and first noticed flowering anywhere from mid June to late July. How reliable are these estimates from the seed banks? I'd assume for an indoor grow they're pretty reliable, but outdoors wouldn't it be a lot more variable and dependent upon the light and temperature cycles?

As a rule of thumb if I still see crystal/bud development it's safe to assume she's still maturing right? I don't imagine the buds would be getting bigger if she's dying and if they're turning amber I'd imagine they're harder to see to the naked eye as they'd reflect less light.

Also fwiw she has a sister which looks a LOT less mature. Her sister broke the upper portion off shortly after going into flowering and I think took some time and energy to recover. She now looks quite healthy though, but the pistils on the buds are completely white and still quite large as opposed to her sister (the plant in question) in which some of the pistils have started to turn orange and shrivel up.

edit: I just checked and this years summer solstice wasn't until June 21st, so I guess that's roughly the earliest she'd have started flowering as I don't assume it would happen until the days begin to shorten. So I suppose she probably started to flower sometime during the month of July which going on a 80 day flowering period would mean she's ready to harvest roughly right now, though she doesn't look like it, but maybe I just did a bad job growing her? Again though how accurate are those figures and would they not be extended for outdoors?


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Re: Lots of dying leaves within bud sites, to trim or leave alone? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18933048 - 10/04/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

leave the sweet leaf which is the large-ish leaves with crystals on it, this will be trimmed off during trimming and saved for hash later...

the best way to tell if your plant has hit peak potency is to wait till over half of the trichomes are milky... if it is an indica dominant strain you can wait till about 1/3-1/2 of the crystals are amber, this will intensify the "couch-lock" effect so it's SUPER STONY


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Re: Lots of dying leaves within bud sites, to trim or leave alone? [Re: 420milehigh]
    #18936054 - 10/05/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Should I expect her to typically use up all of these leaves and develop plump buds or is there any reason shed stall and just hang on to all of these? I'm quit sure theres no nutes left in the pot, I flushed her over a month ago due to fert bern and a couple weeks after that as well thinking she hadn't recovered.


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Re: Lots of dying leaves within bud sites, to trim or leave alone? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18936833 - 10/05/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well your buds will go through 2 growth phases, one to spread out and one to plump up... it is totally normal for them to have yellow and dieing leafs on them... it is actually a good sign you have a good amount of yellow leafs because that seems like a nitrogen deficiency... this is a good thing because it will bring out the flavor in the different buds:rockon:

the soil should have enough nutes in it to last... as a grower you don't make good bud, you make good soil and the plants will do the rest


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Edited by 420milehigh (10/05/13 04:44 PM)


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Re: Lots of dying leaves within bud sites, to trim or leave alone? [Re: 420milehigh]
    #18963797 - 10/11/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well it looks a lot healthier this week, though it's been cold and rainy the past few days. I harvested some of it, the ones that looked fully and more or less ready, but also because I'm worried it's going to start to rot or something if I leave it out there too long, still not sure if I should harvest the rest. Some of the pistils look like they're starting to turn black, but it also looks like it's still growing in that more pistils seem to be forming and the buds are really starting to bulk up. Is it bad if the pistils are starting to blacken? Maybe they're just a dark purple (I did see some purple ones earlier), but they look quite dried up. It's supposed to warm up and the sun should be out in the next few days so I'm hoping she has a growth spurt. So are blackening pistils necessarily a bad thing?


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Re: Lots of dying leaves within bud sites, to trim or leave alone? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18963803 - 10/11/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

cold weather will turn parts of a plant purple looking


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Re: Lots of dying leaves within bud sites, to trim or leave alone? [Re: B_BOY]
    #18963895 - 10/11/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So nothing to worry about then?


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Re: Lots of dying leaves within bud sites, to trim or leave alone? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18963906 - 10/11/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

not from what i read, but i didn't read the whole thread, in my experience to many people wait to long to harvest, big buds does not mean extra potent, there is probably like a week window where buds are prime, after that they start to decline in potency


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Re: Lots of dying leaves within bud sites, to trim or leave alone? [Re: B_BOY]
    #18963973 - 10/11/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Mine have been quite small so far, I doubt you'd think they've matured much at this point. I've also since read that it's not uncommon for sativas to take up to even december to reach maturity and that they'll often have many growth spurts and 'peak harvest' times throughout the flowering period, which is what it seems like mine are doing. Her sister just has a bunch of poporn buds on her even and looks way less mature for whatever reason.


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Re: Lots of dying leaves within bud sites, to trim or leave alone? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18963986 - 10/11/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, depends on where you live also, where i live most buds have already been picked and dried. But sativa's do take longer. you couldn't grow any buds here into december at all.lol.


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Re: Lots of dying leaves within bud sites, to trim or leave alone? [Re: B_BOY]
    #18964083 - 10/11/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, I can't see them growing past another month, the days are already below the 70's and nights are in the 50's, but she's not done yet so hopefully they'll finish up before too long. Probably should have gone with something more indica dominant in retrospect, but too late for that now.


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Re: Lots of dying leaves within bud sites, to trim or leave alone? [Re: 420milehigh]
    #18966048 - 10/11/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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420milehigh said:
leave the sweet leaf which is the large-ish leaves with crystals on it, this will be trimmed off during trimming and saved for hash later...

the best way to tell if your plant has hit peak potency is to wait till over half of the trichomes are milky... if it is an indica dominant strain you can wait till about 1/3-1/2 of the crystals are amber, this will intensify the "couch-lock" effect so it's SUPER STONY



okay if you want to know when to harvest THIS IS HOW YOU RECOGNIZE it's reached peak potency... pistils don't mean jack squat dude, the thc comes from the TRICHOMES... forget that the pistils are even there, they don't mean anything besides what phenotype it is....

any true "grower" knows these things, I know people pulling 3-5 pounds off a plant each year (sometimes up to 9 pounds which is the most I've SEEN off 1 plant).... Nor-cal hippies, gotta love em


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