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Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal * 1
    #18930855 - 10/04/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)



Top-secret national security documents disclosed to the Guardian by Edward Snowden show United States and British intelligence have long attempted to crack the Tor anonymizer network used by human rights workers, journalists, cybercriminals and others.

On Friday, the Guardian published leaked documents attributed to the former intelligence contractor revealing how the US National Security Agency and Britain’s Government Communications Headquarters, or GCHQ, have worked extensively towards compromising the computers of people who browse the Internet with Tor, a program that routes traffic through multiple nodes in an effort to help mask the identities of its users.

According to the Guardian’s James Ball, Bruce Schneier and Glenn Greenwald, the NSA’s “current successes against Tor rely on identifying users and then attacking vulnerable software on their computer.”

“While it seems that the NSA has not compromised the core security of the Tor software or network, the documents detail proof-of-concept attacks, including several relying on the large-scale online surveillance systems maintained by the NSA and GCHQ through internet cable taps,” the writers add.

The Guardian has so far published three top-secret government slideshows used to discuss the Tor network and possible vulnerabilities that might compromise users if properly exploited.

In one document, the NSA notes that Tor, or “The Onion Router,” enables anonymous Internet activity to Iranian and Chinese dissidents, terrorists and “other targets too!” The software has become increasingly used around the globe by privacy-minded individuals of all sorts in recent months. However, previous documents disclosed by Mr. Snowden detailed how the intelligence community have made many successful efforts to compromise other would-be secure modes of communicating.

As RT reported previously, the number of Americans using Tor jumped 75 percent between June 1, just days before the first Snowden leak, and August 27, 2013.

One government document, “Peeling Back the Layers of TOR with Egotisticalgiraffe,” suggests the security of some Tor users can be compromised if the government or other malicious actor can exploit bugs in the Firefox browser and other vulnerabilities.

In another slideshow, “Tor Stinks,” the government claims it already has access to a select number of nodes which anonymized traffic is navigated through.

The “goal,” according to the NSA slide, is to “expand [the] number of nodes we have access to.” To accomplish as much, it’s acknowledged that  GCHQ runs Tor nodes under a program of its own, and that other partners may be able to assist with further efforts to deconstruct traffic patterns to narrow-in on otherwise anonymous users.

Other tools used by the NSA involve collecting cookies from Tor users created when they are browsing the Web without the anonymizer software running. One technique, codenamed “QUANTUM,” exists to degrade, deny and disrupt Tor access, according to the documents. Another, “QUANTUMCOOKIE,” “forces client to divulge stored cookies” which could then further aid investigators attempting to hone in on targets otherwise protected by Tor.

Despite the NSA and GCHQ’s efforts, though, Tor itself has proved to be invincible to government attacks thus far.

“Can we exploit nodes? Probably not,” reads one slide which cites “legal and technical challenges.”

Still, the government has considered disrupting traffic over the Tor network to likely draw users off the nodes and into a habitat where their actions could be more easily traced. In one slide, the NSA suggests they could “set up a lot of really slow Tor nodes,” disguised as high bandwidth, “to degrade the overall stability of the network.”

http://rt.com/usa/nsa-target-tor-network-739/


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Re: Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal [Re: Sandoz]
    #18931024 - 10/04/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No surprise here, but interesting timing on the leak with the SR just being shut down :shrug:.


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Re: Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal [Re: ChinChiller]
    #18931428 - 10/04/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you read the SR shutdown thread you will see that the shutdown of SR had nothing to do with the security of the onion network itself but rather human error on the side of DPR.

What is happening right now is that they want to scare off people using tor, because the less people use it the easier it becomes for them to track people. Apparently they do not have enough nodes to control the network, so what we need to be doing to fight them is using tor and setting up more nodes on our side.


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Re: Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #18931635 - 10/04/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Lord_McLovin said:
If you read the SR shutdown thread you will see that the shutdown of SR had nothing to do with the security of the onion network itself but rather human error on the side of DPR.

What is happening right now is that they want to scare off people using tor, because the less people use it the easier it becomes for them to track people. Apparently they do not have enough nodes to control the network, so what we need to be doing to fight them is using tor and setting up more nodes on our side.



This. Strength in numbers. Screw those NSA swine.


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Re: Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #18931752 - 10/04/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So basically you can defeat their best efforts by running an uncommon linux distro, running tor in a browser other than fire fox, and turning java and other scripts off.


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Re: Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal [Re: NotTheDevil] * 2
    #18931814 - 10/04/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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NotTheDevil said:
So basically you can defeat their best efforts by running an uncommon linux distro, running tor in a browser other than fire fox, and turning java and other scripts off.




I just bought a new, super fast computer.  After reading this, I'm thinking about dropping a brand-new hard drive in my old computer (which is still a pretty decent machine) to remove ALL prior programs and data (they're so cheap nowadays) and setting it up as suggested above as a TOR node just as a "fuck you" to the NSA.

If I remove every unnecessary board and install ONLY the barest of necessary software on it to make it into a TOR node, does anyone see a problem with this idea??  Beats dumping it in a landfill, right?

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Re: Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal [Re: Nature Boy]
    #18932013 - 10/04/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I read the indictment and that is logical as to why they released that now


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Re: Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal [Re: Nature Boy]
    #18932067 - 10/04/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Nature Boy said:
Quote:

NotTheDevil said:
So basically you can defeat their best efforts by running an uncommon linux distro, running tor in a browser other than fire fox, and turning java and other scripts off.




I just bought a new, super fast computer.  After reading this, I'm thinking about dropping a brand-new hard drive in my old computer (which is still a pretty decent machine) to remove ALL prior programs and data (they're so cheap nowadays) and setting it up as suggested above as a TOR node just as a "fuck you" to the NSA.

If I remove every unnecessary board and install ONLY the barest of necessary software on it to make it into a TOR node, does anyone see a problem with this idea??  Beats dumping it in a landfill, right?

N.B.



Yes

I made my mobile phone a tor router a while ago :wink:  , galaxy s3

setup free tor routing and share your wifi with your neighbors to prevent surveillance


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Re: Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal [Re: lessismore]
    #18932113 - 10/04/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Its best to be up to date on Tor software correct?  There's no reason that getting the newest one is a bad idea..?


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Re: Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal [Re: Sandoz]
    #18932148 - 10/04/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There are valid known attacks to the tor network. It's not completely secure, but it is secure enough. If you can monitor enough nodes in the network, you can figure out who is sending traffic to who. That information is more damaging than it at first might seem.

And guess who has the ability to monitor all the nodes in the network?


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Re: Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal [Re: lessismore]
    #18932707 - 10/04/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

mio said:

Yes

setup free tor routing and share your wifi with your neighbors to prevent surveillance




Cool.  Gonna do it then.  Fuck the NSA!  Feels good to once again be counter-cultural and rebellious.

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Re: Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal [Re: Nature Boy]
    #18934116 - 10/05/13 12:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry, I feel the question I asked in here was poorly worded but I feel there are people monitoring this thread that know more than I and I wouldn't mind some feedback.

What I meant to ask is:  After all of the SR, bitcoin "attacking", and alleged Tor takedown efforts, is it safe to assume that staying up to date on Tor software is smart, or might it be likely that newer versions might in some way be compromised by federal anti-Tor efforts.  I'm not sure how secure the actual Tor download sites are.  Might be easy for federal computer geeks to hack the site and have their own software or hacked version of Tor download to your computer unbeknownst to you or the people behind the Tor website.

I'm sure if I thought of this, this is something that has crossed the minds of people far more intelligent than I.  Is this paranoia?  Is there any benefit to getting the newest Tor bundle?  Or is there no harm in sticking with the version I already have? (truthfully, haven't updated it in...months.)

Thanks.


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- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.


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Re: Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal [Re: Shpongle1]
    #18934512 - 10/05/13 02:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you are hesitant, run a network sniffer/packet analyzer. If virginia dc or md ip subnets are contacted, be VERY CAREFUL. Really just pay attention maybe run some grep and cut commands on sniffer logs to further sort it. ALSO: Spoof ur mac address at all times while using tor especially. Ideally you would have a device used for nothing but tor and outside your neighborhood, stick to short times on public network for best privacy.

I am a firm believer in our individual right to privacy. I have more ideas on the subject but I'm not gonna post them on public thread. I never used silk road or any of the sort but I care about everyone on shroomery. If they compromised the tor network we may never know. Tread softly for now is my thought.


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Re: Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal [Re: Shpongle1]
    #18934642 - 10/05/13 03:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

NotTheDevil said:
So basically you can defeat their best efforts by running an uncommon linux distro, running tor in a browser other than fire fox, and turning java and other scripts off.




Not sure whether that's a good idea. Not many people use linux, even less run tor in a browser other than firefox: That makes you quite unique, which is bad if you want to hide in the masses...
NoScript will be your helper for the latter, which is a good idea. :thumbup:

Quote:

Shpongle1 said:
What I meant to ask is:  After all of the SR, bitcoin "attacking", and alleged Tor takedown efforts, is it safe to assume that staying up to date on Tor software is smart, or might it be likely that newer versions might in some way be compromised by federal anti-Tor efforts.  I'm not sure how secure the actual Tor download sites are.  Might be easy for federal computer geeks to hack the site and have their own software or hacked version of Tor download to your computer unbeknownst to you or the people behind the Tor website.




You should always have the latest browser bundle as there is security issues being fixed with each new release. Not doing so makes you vulnerable.
I don't know whether there's any way to redirect you to a fake website after typing in the correct name, but this one should be safe:
https://www.torproject.org/

Always watch out for the https (instead of http) when using websites.


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Re: Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #18934664 - 10/05/13 04:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They have been after the Tor Network for years, there really doesn't seem to be much they can do about it, other than set up their own nodes to monitor traffic through their server.

Pretty much anyone can be a node.

I think they probably had an exit node in the network which they were monitoring and busted the silk road. Maybe tor could work better on verifying the exit nodes aren't cops somehow.


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Re: Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal [Re: teknix]
    #18934898 - 10/05/13 06:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Voluntarily using your hardware to act as a node is in no way a criminal act, right?  You have no idea what comes in and what goes out, who is benefiting from your support of the traffic, or what the purpose of their data stream is.

So if I set up a machine whose only purpose is to serve as a TOR node, no one will come a knockin'.  I am correct on this, no?

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Re: Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal [Re: Nature Boy]
    #18934928 - 10/05/13 06:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think it is . . . maybe ask enlil.


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Re: Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal [Re: Nature Boy]
    #18935134 - 10/05/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Nature Boy said:
Voluntarily using your hardware to act as a node is in no way a criminal act, right?  You have no idea what comes in and what goes out, who is benefiting from your support of the traffic, or what the purpose of their data stream is.

So if I set up a machine whose only purpose is to serve as a TOR node, no one will come a knockin'.  I am correct on this, no?

N.B.




I wouldn't do it. There's been reports of people in Germany who set up tor nodes and whose homes got searched because of it (childporn, I think, but they did not know any of it). Considering the fact that the US is a lot more fascist than Germany nowadays, I seriously wouldn't risk it if there's any illegal stuff going on there.


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Re: Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal [Re: Nature Boy]
    #18935692 - 10/05/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:wink:

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Re: Tor anonymizer network among NSA’s targets, Snowden leaks reveal [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #18938521 - 10/06/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Lord_McLovin said:
Quote:

Nature Boy said:
Voluntarily using your hardware to act as a node is in no way a criminal act, right?  You have no idea what comes in and what goes out, who is benefiting from your support of the traffic, or what the purpose of their data stream is.

So if I set up a machine whose only purpose is to serve as a TOR node, no one will come a knockin'.  I am correct on this, no?

N.B.




I wouldn't do it. There's been reports of people in Germany who set up tor nodes and whose homes got searched because of it (childporn, I think, but they did not know any of it). Considering the fact that the US is a lot more fascist than Germany nowadays, I seriously wouldn't risk it if there's any illegal stuff going on there.




It's generally fine in the us, if your afraid then don't be an exit node. Also in most cases you can get off ban lists and out of legal trouble by explaining that you run a tor node and that traffic coming through it is not yours.


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