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Supplementing black poplar blocks
    #18925484 - 10/03/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have some black poplar spawn ready and am not finding the most info on this species.  Anyone have experience who can elaborate on how much spawn should be used per block and how much supplementation works well?


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Re: Supplementing black poplar blocks [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18925981 - 10/03/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

you should really get a copy of GGMM, mon!  FWIW i use 0.25lb generally for wood lovers on 80/20 sawdust/wheat bran.  50% moisture, 1tbsp gypsum and limestone.


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Re: Supplementing black poplar blocks [Re: drake89]
    #18926279 - 10/03/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I own a copy :P You often seeing varying info on different species on what really works best.  They seem to tell you what works.  Just not always in descending order of flushes.  Twenty percent it will likely be, i was just wondering if they were anythig at all like shiitake which prefer a lower supplement.  Thanks for the insight though friend!


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Re: Supplementing black poplar blocks [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18926468 - 10/03/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I supplement my black poplar blocks around 10-15% bran, dry weight.
Any more doesn't seem to help.



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Re: Supplementing black poplar blocks [Re: Versicolor]
    #18929962 - 10/04/13 07:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I went with 3 parts sawdust, 2 parts coconut coir, 1 part bran with 2% gypsum added. Had good results. One thing that makes a huge difference with this species is casing. Without you get fat short stubby stems, with you get longer thinner stems.


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Re: Supplementing black poplar blocks [Re: TaoShroom]
    #18930564 - 10/04/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

When did you apply the casing?  And how long did it take from application til harvest?


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Re: Supplementing black poplar blocks [Re: Aleon]
    #18930618 - 10/04/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Casing was applied as soon as 100% colonization was complete, as for how long it took to colonize the casing and then fruit and harvest, I can't remember for the life of me. Couple weeks anyway.


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Re: Supplementing black poplar blocks [Re: TaoShroom]
    #18933660 - 10/04/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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One thing that makes a huge difference with this species is casing. Without you get fat short stubby stems, with you get longer thinner stems.




I'm not so sure about this...  The opposite has been the case for me.  I haven't been casing at all.  I get longer thinner stems.  I WANT the fat, shorter stems and was thinking about casing to get them. :smile:







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Re: Supplementing black poplar blocks [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18934916 - 10/05/13 06:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hm... this is very interesting indeed. Maybe it was a CO2 reaction then? Are yours getting plenty of FAE? My first attempt was in a SGFC with a large block much like in your pictures. That was where I had done uncased and got the short fat stems.
My later attempt was in my Oyster grow room in trays which I had cased and thats where I got fruits similar to the one sin your pictures. But as you know Oysters need a LOT of FAE to reach any cap size.
If you want to try something interesting, try growing Poplars in a Monotub. I wish I had pictures... and I am thinking even more that stem size is affected by CO2 as well. Mono's don't have the greatest amount of FAE going on, so the fruits I got were VERY fat stems, so fat actually, they were equal in diameter to the caps.
I may have a LC syringe laying around, if I do I will get some spawn started to do a grow log on this subject.


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Re: Supplementing black poplar blocks [Re: TaoShroom]
    #18934944 - 10/05/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That is interesting indeed Tao.  I might give that a try.  I'm about to GTG a few jars up this weekend.  I may try a monotub just for fun.  I actually LIKE the short fat ones.  Kind of like little mini-boletes.  :smile:

I also think a lot is dependent on the particular variety or isolate.  I've seen different 'habits' from different varieties of a. aegerita. 

One thing's for sure:  It's a really delicious mushroom.


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Re: Supplementing black poplar blocks [Re: Queen of Kings]
    #18934999 - 10/05/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think stems get thicker with more air. That picture I posted was grown inside.
That same block, fruited outside, produced thinner stems.



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Re: Supplementing black poplar blocks [Re: Versicolor]
    #18935515 - 10/05/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Exactly, so higher O2 levels increase stem length/thickness, while higher CO2 levels shorten stem and make it thicker.

Just my hypothesis, I will conduct tests to confirm. Unfortunately results will take me about 2 months because I am starting from LC to spawn.


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Re: Supplementing black poplar blocks [Re: TaoShroom]
    #18935599 - 10/05/13 10:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Edit- double post :crazy:


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Re: Supplementing black poplar blocks [Re: TaoShroom]
    #18935600 - 10/05/13 10:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, that would be an interesting experiment. Especially since higher co2 usually makes for thinner stems in other species.


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Re: Supplementing black poplar blocks [Re: Versicolor]
    #18936324 - 10/05/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It mostly genetics.  I have a strain that with low or high co2 has huge fat stems and a different strain that always does thinner stems.  The other main factor is pin set.  If you have less pins you get bigger mushrooms.  I don't have any input about casing as I have never cased before, though I'd like to try soon,  We are actually switching most of our production over to piopinnos and kings since I have been getting good results, but there is still tons of experimentation left to increase efficiency.  Also I have been using %20bran for now with good results but I'd like to try less, since it may not be needed.

Anyone fruited these out with the x's in the bag method like oyster or lions mane? Just starting trials with that now.


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Re: Supplementing black poplar blocks [Re: Aleon]
    #18944960 - 10/07/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The strain from sporeworks makes fat stems.

I'm too lazy to upload a picture, very sorry about it lol


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Re: Supplementing black poplar blocks [Re: BlackPeace]
    #18944980 - 10/07/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Alright, I felt bad about being lazy.

Sterilized hardwood sawdust, a bit of gypsum and supplement. 300ml of rye spawn per kilo of dry wood.




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Re: Supplementing black poplar blocks [Re: TaoShroom]
    #18945364 - 10/07/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I went with 3 parts sawdust, 2 parts coconut coir, 1 part bran with 2% gypsum added. Had good results. One thing that makes a huge difference with this species is casing. Without you get fat short stubby stems, with you get longer thinner stems.




Not exactly.

Casing swordbelts will almost always increase size and quality of fruits.  Whether the stems are short or long, fat or skinny, etc., is strain related.  Obviously a lack of fresh air will screw things up, but if environmental conditions are right, presentation is a factor of strain.
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Re: Supplementing black poplar blocks [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18945676 - 10/07/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What 'quality' increases RR?  I'm guessing swordbelt is a common name for A. Aegerita? 

I have moss and verm the only thing keeping me from casing is that I don't want to have to clean the shrooms if they have residual casing on them.  I guess I'll compare since I've already got it...


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Re: Supplementing black poplar blocks [Re: drake89]
    #18945998 - 10/07/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nice Chicken of the wood on your facebook page :smile:

Swordbelt means A.Aegerita


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