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OrgoneConclusion
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Faith is not a good thing
#18921658 - 10/02/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Believing in things for which there is no evidence is NOT commendable. It is ignorant and retarded.
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Tmethyl
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I've had this same thought since I was a young lad being forced to attend church. I think faith in yourself is great, but faith in fairy tales, saviours, and so on, is ignorant and likely just fear of death manifesting.
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Re: Faith is not a good thing [Re: Tmethyl] 1
#18922099 - 10/02/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Open question: Would you weigh someone elses repeatable evidence more than your own personal experience?
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Sse
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Faith in, trust in; some relinquishing of attachment?
outcome may not be believed 100%, but faith suggests where one might put their trust... they may eventually be let down, or the situation may not be provable, but in the moment at least, that's where the trust is placed. It could be a way of releasing attachment or further thought. I guess it depends on the individual and where they place their faith or how they view faith.
It seems by most definitions faith is a strong belief... but when I say I have faith in something I don't really feel like I have absolute belief that it is or would be so... but more of a hopeful trust. Maybe I use faith incorrectly...
If I say I have faith a situation will work out, it's more of an optimistic stance than a concrete belief.
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
Edited by Sse (10/02/13 04:04 PM)
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Icelander
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Yes, as stated in the op I would agree.
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Shut up you party pooper! Your just being Negative
I'll believe what i want, when i want
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Re: Faith is not a good thing [Re: Withinity]
#18924676 - 10/03/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Faith doesn't kill people, People kill people.
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Yogi1
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said: Believing in things for which there is no evidence is NOT commendable. It is ignorant and retarded.
Thats not what Christians say, they must be retarded...
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Deviate
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Re: Faith is not a good thing [Re: Yogi1] 1
#18928373 - 10/03/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you don't think faith is a good thing, why come to a forum like this? Is there no place on the internet where atheists and skeptics can gather and enjoy poking fun at people like me? Is it really necessary for them to come to a place specifically intended for people of faith to gather?
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Re: Faith is not a good thing [Re: Yogi1]
#18928396 - 10/03/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yogi1 said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: Believing in things for which there is no evidence is NOT commendable. It is ignorant and retarded.
Thats not what Christians say, they must be retarded...
I am one of those retarded Christians. I am so stupid that it takes me 3 hours to watch 60 minutes.
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The Phleg
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said: Believing in things for which there is no evidence is NOT commendable. It is ignorant and retarded.
I'll take your word on that.
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Re: Faith is not a good thing [Re: The Phleg]
#18929076 - 10/04/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well played.
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Re: Faith is not a good thing [Re: cez]
#18929190 - 10/04/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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to have faith, to be faithful means to be committed. god is a spirit. a spirit is composed of abstract intangible ideas. being faithful in supernatural things for selfish reasons such as what happens to YOU when YOU die is actually pretty hard. but being faithful to truth and love is a righteous undertaking. it means having integrity
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Re: Faith is not a good thing [Re: The Phleg]
#18929195 - 10/04/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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pyrate999 said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: Believing in things for which there is no evidence is NOT commendable. It is ignorant and retarded.
I'll take your word on that. 
Haha there is actually evidence that people of faith live slightly longer and get fewer diseases according to a program i recently watched on the history channel. Of course atheists can find non supernatural reasons for this but it does call it question whether it is really so retarded.
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Re: Faith is not a good thing [Re: Deviate] 1
#18929585 - 10/04/13 03:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Deviate said: If you don't think faith is a good thing, why come to a forum like this? Is there no place on the internet where atheists and skeptics can gather and enjoy poking fun at people like me? Is it really necessary for them to come to a place specifically intended for people of faith to gather?
I don't think he's poking fun at you in particular. At least I hope he's not. Or if he his I hope that's not the sole intent of his post.
If there is only one kind of "spirituality" in this world, (your kind) then I suspect spirituality is not in reality, valid for humanity at large. Spirituality must, imo be an inherent part of the human psyche for it to be valid imo. If that is true then everyone expresses spirituality according to their nature and there is no us and them.
If you find his posts offensive you can put him on ignore, solving your issue immediately.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Believing in things for which there is no evidence is NOT commendable. It is ignorant and retarded.
Its not like there isn't evidence, there is evidence you just have to keep your eyes open. If there's a Satan then there is a God, its automatic proof that God exists and the Bible is true.
That's the negative view of it, the scary one. There are other, positive and scientific proofs of God. Watch this documentary for scientific proofs of God:
Edited by SpiritualWarrior (10/04/13 04:29 AM)
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Icelander
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I've never ever seen a shred of real evidence of a Satan. And I don't see how it follows that if there were one there would have to be a god.
And posting a two hour video as evidence is over the top imo. Can you link to specific places/times in the video where it addresses this issue?
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Re: Faith is not a good thing [Re: Icelander]
#18929997 - 10/04/13 07:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
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Deviate said: If you don't think faith is a good thing, why come to a forum like this? Is there no place on the internet where atheists and skeptics can gather and enjoy poking fun at people like me? Is it really necessary for them to come to a place specifically intended for people of faith to gather?
I don't think he's poking fun at you in particular. At least I hope he's not. Or if he his I hope that's not the sole intent of his post.
If there is only one kind of "spirituality" in this world, (your kind) then I suspect spirituality is not in reality, valid for humanity at large. Spirituality must, imo be an inherent part of the human psyche for it to be valid imo. If that is true then everyone expresses spirituality according to their nature and there is no us and them.
If you find his posts offensive you can put him on ignore, solving your issue immediately. 
Yes everyone expresses spirituality according to their nature, but putting one's faith in logic and reasoning is not spirituality, it is logic and reason. Don't get me wrong, logic and reason are good things. They are gifts from the Lord. Faith is another gift from the Lord, but it is a different gift from logic and reasoning ability.
It's not a question of me being offended, it's a question of the topic of the forum. There is a reason I don't post mushroom growing questions in the psychedelic experience forum. That reason is that the purpose of the psychedelic experience forum is to discuss psychedelic experiences. In a similar way, the philosophy forum is the place to discuss what can be known through logic and reasoning. This is the spirituality and mysticism forum, which was created for the discussion of things that fall outside the realm of that which can be understood purely through logic and reason. Hence, posting threads elevating logic and reasoning here is no different from me posting mushroom growing questions in the psychedelic experience forum. Off topic threads may not bother you but I still have every right to point out that these kinds of threads are off topic. Of course he's not poking fun at me personally, but at religious and spiritual people clearly, of which I fall under the umbrella. That's not what bothers me though, I don't mind being made fun of. I just don't want this forum to turn into another atheist vs theist/materialist vs spiritualist battleground. That debate is so old and boring and never gets anywhere because of the very fact that so called mystics cannot communicate to skeptics the content of their experiences. Words simply are not adequate means to convey spiritual truth to non believers because words function at the level of the mind and God/your absolute being is beyond the mind.
So when i describe a mystical experience in words, you form a mental image from what I say and then try to decide whether that image is true or false by comparing it to other mental images. Can't you see how futile that is? You're never going to get beyond the mind that way. You have to turn your attention inward and find out where the "I" comes from. WHat put's the "I" in "I AM"? THat is the question. You can't have your mind wandering constantly, because then it colors your reality and you live in the mind instead of in Christ. Christ is the eternal consciounses ever present but currently being obstructed by your wandering mind.
Logic can actually help us here. Just think, can you think of a time when it was any time other than now? No. It's always now. Heaven, hell, earth, the shroomery, none of them appear by themselves. They are all dependent on you. You are the constant. You are the one who goes to these various places. The places change, your mind and body change, but you, your true essence, the one who is aware of all the changes, does not change.
And thats all spirituality is about. Just be fully aware of the present moment. Atheists are always looking for God somewhere else, by using logic they invoking the past and future. No wonder they can't find God. He is always right there, in the one place you never thought to look. The present moment. Thats why a book was written called the power of now. But I digress.
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Re: Faith is not a good thing [Re: Icelander]
#18930007 - 10/04/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I've never ever seen a shred of real evidence of a Satan. And I don't see how it follows that if there were one there would have to be a god.
And posting a two hour video as evidence is over the top imo. Can you link to specific places/times in the video where it addresses this issue?
Well, because Satan was a fallen angel created by God then I would assume that finding out he really existed would be a pretty good indicator God exists. Otherwise I don't see where you're getting a fallen angel from, angels don't grow on trees.
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Re: Faith is not a good thing [Re: Deviate]
#18930096 - 10/04/13 08:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Deviate said:
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Yogi1 said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: Believing in things for which there is no evidence is NOT commendable. It is ignorant and retarded.
Thats not what Christians say, they must be retarded...
I am one of those retarded Christians.
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