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why does everyone use widemouth jars?
    #18928845 - 10/03/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

im just curious because i cant find anymore widemouth plastic lids but theres like millions of regular mouth plastic lids lol so is there any reason most people prefer widemouth jars?


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: vaneazy]
    #18928852 - 10/03/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

im sorry, i should elaborate a bit... I completely understand doing the PF tek since you have to take out the cake whole but when spawning to bulk i dont see how it could make a difference?


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: vaneazy]
    #18928864 - 10/03/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well it depends on the tek you're using, if you're doing a brf tek then you need the wide mouth jars so that you can take out the cakes once there ready to be birthed, but if you're using grains then it dosnt matter since you can just pour them out


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: geazerpleaser]
    #18928883 - 10/03/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

thats what i thought lol just making sure before i buy a bunch :smile: thanks


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: geazerpleaser]
    #18928886 - 10/03/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not sure what area you live in, but here every decent grocery store and pretty much every hardware store has plastic widemouth lids for jars. They are cheap to.

I'm pretty sure that you could easily order them online as well.


Google "plastic widemouth lids"


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: InTheBiggun]
    #18928906 - 10/03/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

its honestly really weird, i bought a pack ( of 8 ) from walmart of the widemouth lids like a while ago. they had a ton so i figured id try out a few to see if i can get them to work before buying a bunch then as soon as i made the lids and did a tub i went everywhere to look for more widemouth ones but all ANYONE had/has is the regular mouth ones now (and ive been looking everytime i go to walmart)... i know it doesnt make sense lol but idk whatever


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: vaneazy]
    #18928914 - 10/03/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:confused: que


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: geazerpleaser]
    #18928920 - 10/03/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

^ huh? lol


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: vaneazy]
    #18928933 - 10/03/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

lol never mind I didn't understand your post at first but after much deep concentration and analytical skill I understood it!

and you could of jsut bought a pack of 12 on amazon for 10 dollars


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: vaneazy]
    #18928936 - 10/03/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Que means "what?" lol


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: InTheBiggun]
    #18928939 - 10/03/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

For G2g masters I prefer regular mouth because it's easier to pour into receiving jars. But for everything besides masters, I prefer wide mouth

It really doesn't matter though. Wide or regular mouth are both fine for grains


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: mushmagic]
    #18928946 - 10/03/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)


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Que means "what?" lol



oooooh tu eres muy inteligente, me gusta :flaming:


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: geazerpleaser]
    #18928959 - 10/03/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Oh I know I'm a straight genius lol jk


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: mushmagic]
    #18928969 - 10/03/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

lol calm down I'm straight too


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: geazerpleaser]
    #18929461 - 10/04/13 02:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So, just to clarify, do you not need the widemouth for PF TEK? Is it just better but not required? Do the cakes break up upon birthing with regular mouth?


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: hihihi1717]
    #18929523 - 10/04/13 03:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You will not be able to get the cakes out in one piece unless the lids are wide mouth without shoulders.



You want to use half pint short wide mouth jars for cakes.

Like the one on the very right....so they just slide right out in one piece.


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: vaneazy]
    #18929577 - 10/04/13 03:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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im sorry, i should elaborate a bit... I completely understand doing the PF tek since you have to take out the cake whole but when spawning to bulk i dont see how it could make a difference?




For grains, small mouth jars are better.  Metal lids are also better.  Avoid plastic ones.
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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18929596 - 10/04/13 03:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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For grains, small mouth jars are better.



Can you elaborate please?

The only way I can see a small mouth jar being better than a regular mouth jar is if the small mouth jars are your masters, and the receiving jars are wide mouth.

This would make G2G transfers slightly easier, but other than that, if spawning to a tub or pan, does it really make a difference?


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #18929740 - 10/04/13 05:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

vaneazy said:
im sorry, i should elaborate a bit... I completely understand doing the PF tek since you have to take out the cake whole but when spawning to bulk i dont see how it could make a difference?




For grains, small mouth jars are better.  Metal lids are also better.  Avoid plastic ones.
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Why avoid plastic lids?


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18929951 - 10/04/13 07:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Small month jars are better for grains because they have a smaller opening. The smaller opening gives less of an opening for contaminates to invade.


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18929985 - 10/04/13 07:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You will not be able to get the cakes out in one piece unless the lids are wide mouth without shoulders.



You want to use half pint short wide mouth jars for cakes.

Like the one on the very right....so they just slide right out in one piece.




These are the jars I'm using... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18918111#18918111 You're saying it's impossible to get them out in one piece every time?


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: hamloaf]
    #18930039 - 10/04/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Small month jars are better for grains because they have a smaller opening. The smaller opening gives less of an opening for contaminates to invade.




ding ding. Surface area of a circle in relation to diameter. You get significant drops in surface area between a wide mouth and regular.


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: hihihi1717]
    #18930048 - 10/04/13 08:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You should be fine, since you used wide-mouth. I think most use the half pint jars for faster colonization and easier removal. Just :2cents:


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: hamloaf]
    #18930161 - 10/04/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Small month jars are better for grains because they have a smaller opening. The smaller opening gives less of an opening for contaminates to invade.



Yes, and this is extremely important because we leave our grain jars open and exposed....  :rolleyes:


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18930204 - 10/04/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

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Small month jars are better for grains because they have a smaller opening. The smaller opening gives less of an opening for contaminates to invade.



Yes, and this is extremely important because we leave our grain jars open and exposed....  :rolleyes:




No one leaves them open. It's while they're being g2ged. Do I use the small ones?, No. But can I still see the obvious reasoning, Yes.


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18930257 - 10/04/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I can't....we do G2G transfers under sterile conditions....the size of the opening should not matter...


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18930268 - 10/04/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There's risk with a glove box or SAB. Even laminar flows are only 99.997 at 3 microns. Nothings perfect so limiting a risk is still possible.

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Yes, and this is extremely important because we leave our grain jars open and exposed....  :rolleyes:



Couldn't you though? It's sterile in there right.. Try it next time.


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18930315 - 10/04/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That guy don't get it lol. It's for when the jars are opened for transfers.


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: hamloaf]
    #18930340 - 10/04/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

wow, lol i did not expect this thread to get this much discussion! the only thing i have to ask now is why does RR suggest not using plastic lids? I see a lot of lid teks that suggest plastic ones since they wont rust and wear down as much as the metal ones


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: hamloaf]
    #18930341 - 10/04/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I found an old quote from RR here:

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Regular mouth jars are better for grain spawn than wide mouth because the smaller opening gives less room for contaminants to enter during inoculation and grain to grain transfers.  In addition, during grain to grain transfers, the grains pour from a regular mouth jar better than a wide mouth with less chance of spilling.
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Now, I don't know if the probability of contamination using standard-mouthed vs wide-mouthed jars is statistically significant, but I guess caution is usually the better part of valor. With good procedure, though, the difference might not be noticeable.

The pouring benefit sounds intriguing. Going to buy some extra jars today, and will have to try some standard.

Standard to Wide for transfers may be a good alternative if you're confident in your environment/procedure.


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: hamloaf]
    #18930357 - 10/04/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Lol....still don't get it..... If the air is clean enough to do transfers with regular mouth jars.... Then the air is clean enough for wide mouth jars...

Each jar is open for about a second... Does that half inch really make that bigof a difference?


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18930395 - 10/04/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Lol....still don't get it..... If the air is clean enough to do transfers with regular mouth jars.... Then the air is clean enough for wide mouth jars...

Each jar is open for about a second... Does that half inch really make that bigof a difference?




I tend to agree with you, but I'm a noob. And the math to find the statistical significance of contamination rates is beyond me. (Well, since I haven't used it in 30 years and forgotten most of it, it's now beyond me.)

We are a paranoid people, though....  :paranoid:


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: vaneazy]
    #18930448 - 10/04/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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wow, lol i did not expect this thread to get this much discussion! the only thing i have to ask now is why does RR suggest not using plastic lids? I see a lot of lid teks that suggest plastic ones since they wont rust and wear down as much as the metal ones



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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: Dark76]
    #18930449 - 10/04/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know the size difference between the two but.
diameter to surface area
3"= ~9
4"= ~12

~33% bigger opening is a whole lot more.

With such little suspended particles is it negligible? Maybe


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: hamloaf]
    #18930541 - 10/04/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The search function does reveal the following regarding plastic lids from some trusted cultivators:

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I don't like them because they don't seal well.  I've also had several plastic lids that flew off during shaking, which dumps my colonizing grain all over the carpet.  A bit of rust hurts nothing.
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FooMan said:
The regular mouth PP5 lids some of the sponsors sell are great, but only come in regular mouth :frown: The regular and wide mouth plastic lids Ball sells at stores (in 8 packs) for their canning jars are prone to cracking, warping and as was already mentioned, require a gasket for an air/water tight seal, but they'll do the job.





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I like metal better.
Plastic are a PITA, IME. You have to get the rubber gasket for the lid to actually seal to the jar.
They're harder to drill, slip more & don't tighten as snug as I like my  jars.




Your mileage may vary...


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: Dark76]
    #18930627 - 10/04/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

ty dark!


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Re: why does everyone use widemouth jars? [Re: vaneazy]
    #18930654 - 10/04/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

For any one who's wondering why metal is better then plastic. read this thread


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