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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Smushroom]
    #18928340 - 10/03/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Smushroom said:

I will say that you are wrong in saying that the PC was found after the fact. From reading the 2 documents its pretty clear that the agency in Maryland and the agency in New York were running 2 separate investigations. The NY agency tracked him down via the forum posting using his own email and the fake IDs and the Md agency was behind the cocaine/hitman thing that flipped his employee.

The NY FBI office issued the arrest warrant and busted him, that was the first indictment posted online and goes into a lot more detail. That is also what most of the news outlets ran with. The MD document was posted later in the day which is why I never noticed it until now.




I believe that they only checked accounts and posts corresponding to the Ross Ulbricht gmail account after they had him as a suspect for the hit, and the false IDs only intercepted when he was being watched for suspicion. I could be wrong on this, though.

I assume that one (or all) of the Maryland agents had been in communication with the NY FBI cybersecurity team. The NY complaint is federal, and they have the funds to bring in the forensic analysts to compare the code, do all of the backtracking, and have the balls to force some subpoenas fast.

Again, I'm only speculating. I'm glad that we are discussing this.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: mylfgur]
    #18928446 - 10/03/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

To me it sounds like the Maryland guys were DEA. The FBI doesn't usually set up drug stings.

A lot of the heads of government agencies have big egos and want to have the headline take down. I could easily see them keeping information away from each other hoping to nab them on their own.

I'm pretty sure that since it was across state lines the MD charge will be federal. If it goes federal he is looking at the death penalty. If it happens to stay in MD courts he is only looking at life since MD repealed the death penalty this year. Could make a huge difference for DPR. If he is looking at the death penalty I am almost positive he will give up every bit of info he has and give them access to his BTC wallet.

Edit: Actually nvm. The MD indictment is US vs DPR so it is federal. Murdering a witness is a capital offense on the federal level. Not sure if that implies for conspiracy or not as well.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: SuperD]
    #18928474 - 10/03/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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SuperD said:
I'm not even sure what you mean by anyone who has taken enough LSD will know his personality.  LSD has nothing to do with knowing someones personality.  How'd that work out for Charles Manson and his crew?

I could post dozens of photos here of regular joes with a few serial killers or rapists mixed in and you wouldn't be able to accurately tell me who's who without Googling or getting extremely lucky with guesses.  Sorry :shrug:  I'll let you return to your magical view of the world though.  I'm not here to shit on anyones parade.




That is why I said his speech about personal freedom too, his biography etc. , you removed that part when quoting me

but you can certainly know a person by their looks too sometimes

people who find themselves/their spiritual side often get a more feminine look :wink:  (eckhart tolle anyone?:wink:

and they rarely use it for evil, god doesn't work that way... you have to earn from god
by doing good first, then that good will come back to you

michael jackson would be the extreme case
"Consciousness expresses itself through creation. This world we live in is the dance of the creator. Dancers come and go in the twinkling of an eye but the dance lives on. On many an occasion when I am dancing, I have felt touched by something sacred.In those moments, I felt my spirit soar and become one with everything that exists. "
-Michael Jackson

“Look beyond yourself..”
- Michael Jackson

“We have to heal our wounded world. The chaos, despair, and senseless destruction we see today are a result of the alienation that people feel from each other and their environment.”
- Michael Jackson

I don't doubt spirituality is real, but now we're getting a bit offtopic
the point is , people who are in touch with themselves often feel like they have to spread the love
and I think the SR author did too, from his biography/SR posts/freedom posts/picture, he also mentioned he had taken LSD on several occasions, he even was busted with (10mg?) LSD in the paper


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: lessismore]
    #18928595 - 10/03/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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mio said:
but you can certainly know a person by their looks too sometimes

people who find themselves/their spiritual side often get a more feminine look :wink:  (eckhart tolle anyone?:wink:

and they rarely use it for evil, god doesn't work that way... you have to earn from god
by doing good first, then that good will come back to you

michael jackson would be the extreme case
"Consciousness expresses itself through creation. This world we live in is the dance of the creator. Dancers come and go in the twinkling of an eye but the dance lives on. On many an occasion when I am dancing, I have felt touched by something sacred.In those moments, I felt my spirit soar and become one with everything that exists. "
-Michael Jackson

“Look beyond yourself..”
- Michael Jackson

“We have to heal our wounded world. The chaos, despair, and senseless destruction we see today are a result of the alienation that people feel from each other and their environment.”
- Michael Jackson




WTF is even happening right now...  :lol:  Go on thinking you can judge people just by looking at them and basing your decisions around that.  Come back in 2 years and tell us how well that worked out for you and if you still have the same opinion.  I 100% guarantee you will not.  You're idealizing some guy and a large piece of your reasoning is his "energy" he gives off in his facebook profile picture or that you think he did LSD before?

This "feminine look because you found spirituality" shit though.. Haha dude, come the fuck on... :facepalm3:


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- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Shpongle1] * 1
    #18928612 - 10/03/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

the power of now that the SR author had on his facebook is written by eckhart tolle :wink:

great book btw... much truth , eckhart tolle is a guide for spiritual development

when you look at a person you see them from their inside, but usually the outside reflects the inside with people who are in touch with their spirituality


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: lessismore] * 1
    #18928658 - 10/03/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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mio said:
when you look at a person you see them from their inside, but usually the outside reflects the inside with people who are in touch with their spirituality




I think when YOU truly find spirituality you will stop putting so much value on people's appearances as any type of determining factor on who they are as people.  That's what I think.  Anyway, off topic... My bad.  Just really silly defending someone and idealizing them based on their appearances or acting like you know someone based off of a facebook page.  To each their own.


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There are more people imprisoned for the commission of drug offenses in the United States - close to 500,000 - than are incarcerated in England, France, Germany, and Japan for all crimes combined.  Examined in another way, the United States has 100,000 more people incarcerated for nonviolent drug offenses than all the countries of the European Union combined, despite the fact that the European Union has 100 million more citizens. :crankey: 

- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Shpongle1] * 1
    #18928681 - 10/03/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



That looks like a nice spiritual guy, maybe even a bit feminine too. Must be super cool to hang out with.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Shpongle1]
    #18928719 - 10/03/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Something just dont seem right. The dread pirate roberts name was picked for a reason. I think we are looking at the dread pirate cumberbun, the real dpr has been living like a king in Patagonia for years. I bet the dread pirate Wesley is out there and probably going to be behind the next place that takes sr place. This seems like a very calculated fall guy plan to tie up lose ends. Sr had got to big and well known so they left a crumb trail to someone and gave it away. Nothing is being said about the 80mil he supposedly had. That would cover startup on another and it would be better since the piggies hand was just shown. U now know thier tricks and how they were working it. If I was doing this it would be well worth a paltry 5% to get a clean slate and see the other players cards. Dread pirate Wesley is out there somewhere smiling.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: magicbroncoride]
    #18928998 - 10/03/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

>.> I dont think he anticipated the SR getting as big as it did... thats why he made those amateur mistakes in the beginning.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Run]
    #18929275 - 10/04/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Crazy times.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: 0xi]
    #18929684 - 10/04/13 04:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That's too bad, I never got around to looking at the site before this happened. Well back to old fashioned black market for some. I'll be sad if The Pirate Bay goes down.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: AEL1911]
    #18930051 - 10/04/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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AEL1911 said:
That's too bad, I never got around to looking at the site before this happened. Well back to old fashioned black market for some. I'll be sad if The Pirate Bay goes down.



There are other sites that have been around since the Road started, but no one every used because of the Road. Now everyone is migrating. The Road will live on through other sites.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: PsYcHoDoUgHbOy]
    #18930403 - 10/04/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone else noticing all the major media outlets are doing stories on what silk road alternatives are out there?  Its like bitcoin is so dependent on illict drug sales that these news organizations are trying to fill the hole SR has left.  Its pretty fucked up if you ask me.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: fapjack]
    #18931112 - 10/04/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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fapjack said:
Anyone else noticing all the major media outlets are doing stories on what silk road alternatives are out there?  Its like bitcoin is so dependent on illict drug sales that these news organizations are trying to fill the hole SR has left.  Its pretty fucked up if you ask me.




What better publicity is there for a Cryptocurrency whose sole intention is to facilitate anonymous transactions, than to be used in illicit affairs?

It's not fucked up, it's good business. So far the only seizures and theft of bitcoins has been due to user error. There is no flaw in the currency's model itself.

You might not have been around to remember e-gold but it was much the same thing, digital currency used primarily for illicit means. I would claim that for all of these alternative digital currencies, only about 25% of the market are speculators. The rest are drug dealers, tax evaders/money launderers and otherwise criminal enterprises.

edit: and is that box wine in your avatar? lol


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD *DELETED* [Re: Shpongle1]
    #18931154 - 10/04/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #18931184 - 10/04/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

CIA science projects?

How bout nature does crazy shit (humans included since people tend to forget that aspect)


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: Sillyputty67]
    #18932647 - 10/04/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

malicom said:
Quote:

Shpongle1 said:
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mio said:
when you look at a person you see them from their inside, but usually the outside reflects the inside with people who are in touch with their spirituality




I think when YOU truly find spirituality you will stop putting so much value on people's appearances as any type of determining factor on who they are as people.  That's what I think.  Anyway, off topic... My bad.  Just really silly defending someone and idealizing them based on their appearances or acting like you know someone based off of a facebook page.  To each their own.





Ill clarify something for the both of you.

Lets make a couple of differentiating factors.
Intuition, Spirituality, Microexpressions, and Psychic Vibes are all separate sciences.

No you cannot see if someone is good or bad by their appeaance, but you can pick up whether someone is good/bad/in the know just by their vibes and microexpressions. If you think im full of shit, just look at how animals react around people with verying energies. Its for real.

This is part science, part pseudoscience, and part just general observation.


The conclusion is yours alone to draw.


Another strange coincidence concerning animal intuition is if you look in news papers in california before large earthquakes, pet dissappearances spiked upwards days preceding the natural events. Animals have been known to start journeys a week before a natural disaster to avoid it.

How can we explain this phenomenon??





Xd


I am going to make this simple for you all; the feds love an online drug marketplace, period.

"but that is crazy, drugs are ileagle?!?!?!"

Exactly. Their prohibition keeps endless supplies of funds rolling into state enforcement agencies / ect, get great deals of money from corporate interests who do not want to see more "legal" drugs to compete with (booze, big pharma), and further more, the more drugs there are, the more busts can be made.

Do you think the federal  government wants a country without drugs? If you do you are a fool. Why pick silk road. EASY; assholes talked about everywhere online (coughcough shroomery cough), to the point that the owner drops his guard enough to allow this to happen. What happens exactly? Lots of money for the feds in this case, through legal fee's, confiscation of property, ect ect.

And the real kicker; the feds are aware, unlike many of you, that thousands of sites operate right now, as we speak, in the same business, using USPS to deliver drugs to your doorstep. This phenomena will never go away until drugs are legalized, the feds ONLY "fear" when it comes to prohibition. If that happens, state-sanctioned governmental organizations will be running sites like hese and making a profit from them.

:peace::gd_icon:


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: QT3BFLEE]
    #18932681 - 10/04/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

QT3BFLEE said:
Quote:

fapjack said:
Anyone else noticing all the major media outlets are doing stories on what silk road alternatives are out there?  Its like bitcoin is so dependent on illict drug sales that these news organizations are trying to fill the hole SR has left.  Its pretty fucked up if you ask me.




What better publicity is there for a Cryptocurrency whose sole intention is to facilitate anonymous transactions, than to be used in illicit affairs?

It's not fucked up, it's good business. So far the only seizures and theft of bitcoins has been due to user error. There is no flaw in the currency's model itself.

You might not have been around to remember e-gold but it was much the same thing, digital currency used primarily for illicit means. I would claim that for all of these alternative digital currencies, only about 25% of the market are speculators. The rest are drug dealers, tax evaders/money launderers and otherwise criminal enterprises.

edit: and is that box wine in your avatar? lol




Very untrue.

Its an extremely respectable and globally embraced currency.

It is not used just to buy "drugs"; in new york there are now even stores that take PHYSICAL "bitcoins", and banks transferring BTC into these money tendered coins. You can use BTC to buy a car, a bike, clothes, ANYTHING ON THIS PLANET. Even stock shares in the global NASDAQ. You are completely ignorant if you think BTC is just for buying drugs

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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #18932709 - 10/04/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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LongStrangeTrip said:
Quote:

malicom said:
Quote:

Shpongle1 said:
Quote:

mio said:
when you look at a person you see them from their inside, but usually the outside reflects the inside with people who are in touch with their spirituality




I think when YOU truly find spirituality you will stop putting so much value on people's appearances as any type of determining factor on who they are as people.  That's what I think.  Anyway, off topic... My bad.  Just really silly defending someone and idealizing them based on their appearances or acting like you know someone based off of a facebook page.  To each their own.





Ill clarify something for the both of you.

Lets make a couple of differentiating factors.
Intuition, Spirituality, Microexpressions, and Psychic Vibes are all separate sciences.

No you cannot see if someone is good or bad by their appeaance, but you can pick up whether someone is good/bad/in the know just by their vibes and microexpressions. If you think im full of shit, just look at how animals react around people with verying energies. Its for real.

This is part science, part pseudoscience, and part just general observation.


The conclusion is yours alone to draw.


Another strange coincidence concerning animal intuition is if you look in news papers in california before large earthquakes, pet dissappearances spiked upwards days preceding the natural events. Animals have been known to start journeys a week before a natural disaster to avoid it.

How can we explain this phenomenon??





Xd


I am going to make this simple for you all; the feds love an online drug marketplace, period.

"but that is crazy, drugs are ileagle?!?!?!"

Exactly. Their prohibition keeps endless supplies of funds rolling into state enforcement agencies / ect, get great deals of money from corporate interests who do not want to see more "legal" drugs to compete with (booze, big pharma), and further more, the more drugs there are, the more busts can be made.

Do you think the federal  government wants a country without drugs? If you do you are a fool. Why pick silk road. EASY; assholes talked about everywhere online (coughcough shroomery cough), to the point that the owner drops his guard enough to allow this to happen. What happens exactly? Lots of money for the feds in this case, through legal fee's, confiscation of property, ect ect.

And the real kicker; the feds are aware, unlike many of you, that thousands of sites operate right now, as we speak, in the same business, using USPS to deliver drugs to your doorstep. This phenomena will never go away until drugs are legalized, the feds ONLY "fear" when it comes to prohibition. If that happens, state-sanctioned governmental organizations will be running sites like hese and making a profit from them.

:peace::gd_icon:



Your last paragraph is interesting, and that thought has never crossed my mind. This whole situation stinks though, just something isnt sitting right. But like you said business continues as usual. Im waiting for the day i get to take a class and get a "substance" license and just purchase what i need at the pharmacy.


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Re: FEDS SEIZE SILK ROAD [Re: QT3BFLEE]
    #18932896 - 10/04/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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QT3BFLEE said:
Quote:

fapjack said:
Anyone else noticing all the major media outlets are doing stories on what silk road alternatives are out there?  Its like bitcoin is so dependent on illict drug sales that these news organizations are trying to fill the hole SR has left.  Its pretty fucked up if you ask me.




What better publicity is there for a Cryptocurrency whose sole intention is to facilitate anonymous transactions, than to be used in illicit affairs?

It's not fucked up, it's good business. So far the only seizures and theft of bitcoins has been due to user error. There is no flaw in the currency's model itself.

You might not have been around to remember e-gold but it was much the same thing, digital currency used primarily for illicit means. I would claim that for all of these alternative digital currencies, only about 25% of the market are speculators. The rest are drug dealers, tax evaders/money launderers and otherwise criminal enterprises.

edit: and is that box wine in your avatar? lol



Yeah its franzia.  I totally remember when those e-bullion/e-gold sites were around.  Back when source boards were either that, WU/MG, some people took moneypaks, and a few did cash in the mail.  Good times...


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