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    #18926204 - 10/03/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: ? [Re: LordSenate]
    #18926391 - 10/03/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

To say that it's common sense it absurd. Common sense has little to no bearing in the world of chemicals. In that world it's about technical data. There are examples of substances that are physiologically safe to take in doses far greater than usual, such as marijuana and LSD. Drug propagandists make statements similar to yours all the time -- and they'd be very surprised if they actually researched the astounding safety profiles of certain drugs.


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Not to mention that if you have ever taken niacin even 1,000 mg or so, you should be able to tell that it would not be a bright idea to take the amount you were suggesting..




I have. It's the niacin flush and it's harmless and it has a ceiling. The fact that see this as a strong indication that the subject in question is dangerous is an indication of your presumptuousness.


The only indication that such a thing is harmful of the surface (without doing research) is that one would never get such a dose of niacin from diet, however we do know that just because something isn't natural, doesn't mean it's bad, right?

Very arrogant and hard headed of you to insist that a person should just know that such a thing is bad because it's "common sense."

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Have you ever taken 1,000+ mg of niacin? Doses around that or a little higher cause a lot of flushing and burning.




Once again, this is not an indication of danger at all. I've done it multiple times. It's certainly not painful. I've read it's harmless.

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You go ahead but I would be careful about putting that idea into someones head other then your own.




I linked to an article written by somebody who practices such therapy. It's a person's responsibility to evaluate information them self. I'm presenting information. You can't say I'm forcing anything down anyone's throat. They have to evaluate the information and decide whether the safety of the recommendation has been established or not.


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Liver Damage

One of the most serious side effects involving high doses of niacin is liver damage. Since this vitamin affects the way the liver creates LDL cholesterol, prolonged use, especially in higher doses, can cause liver damage, according to the National Institutes of Health. This may lead to inflammation of the liver, resulting in lowered function. When this occurs you'll often experience abdominal pain, headaches, abnormal fatigue and jaundice.

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/31427-side-effects-high-doses-plain/#ixzz2gh5ouXtS





Here's the author's response to this (both paragraphs):





Orthomolecular Medicine for Everyone By Abram Hoffer, Andrew W. Saul
http://books.google.com/books?id=mUIrfIcsX1IC&pg=PA81


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    #18926561 - 10/03/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yes you can use common sense with drugs quite often. Honestly if you can't use your own experience to determine what side effects or otherwise harmful effects you experienced then you may as well try not to learn anything. Life is all about experiencing things and determining how they impacted your life however it is not in and of itself a be all and end all thing. As you mentioned you also need to take into account research and other things as well.

Yes the flushing from niacin is relatively benign however it is extremely uncomfortable even at doses around 1,500mg.. As stated earlier you were suggesting someone take 60,000. That's wonderful you read that it's harmless. Go take 60,000 and report back on how it made you feel.

What was the point of posting that explaining that 3,000 mg didn't cause liver damage? How is that the same thing as 60,000?

Honestly if you are going to try and prove a point then at least try. I could be completely wrong, however all the resources I have looked at didn't show it.

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if 3,000 mg may not effect your liver, however I am very skeptical that 60,000 would not only be hell while it is in your body but also damage your body in some way.

I have no problem saying I am wrong if you can show me something that shows that much niacin won't hurt you. But honestly I really don't think you will find anything.


P.S. If you think I am talking drug propaganda you obviously haven't been to any other forum or looked at any of my points. It's hard to sound intelligent when you assume something about someone you don't know.

Read the technical data all you want. If the technical data says it's safe and then it kills you then a lot of good that did you. It was making you feel sick but because the technical data said it's alright you went ahead and kept doing it anyway.

EXPERIENCE. It is very helpful in the drug world.


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Re: ? [Re: LordSenate]
    #18927270 - 10/03/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Don't go off your meds circastes, you aren't ready yet.


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Re: ? [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18927728 - 10/03/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hey man I'm not trying to be rude or anything but you should probably watch who the reply is set to in your posts. Honestly I thought you were trying to insult me with a word I've never heard before LOL. Then I decided to go to the first page to see if it was the OP.


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Re: ? [Re: s240779]
    #18927764 - 10/03/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I read your post again and honestly I am dumb founded.

Anyone who reads someones advice especially given the circumstance should take time to research that information.

HOWEVER. It is not just the person who is being provided advices responsibility to verify and understand information.

If you really think that it is okay for you to post something that could very well be extremely dangerous and then say "well its not my fault, all I did was make a bunch of posts after someone called me out on it saying it wasn't dangerous".

Maybe you can, but I personally wouldn't be able to live with myself if someones liver failed because I posted some ridiculous statement saying 60,000mg of niacin isn't harmful..

You must be trolling me.


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