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OfflineJames_Newell
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The ninth and tenth amendments
    #18926183 - 10/03/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The ninth amendment to the Constitution of the United States says:

"The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

The tenth amendment to the Constitution of the United States says:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The Founding Fathers were followers of the Enlightenment, created by Voltaire, Rousseau, Diderot, etc. The Enlightenment included a belief that people should be free to do whatever they want to do, unless they harm the person or property of another.

Therefore, that is what was reserved to the people, and people also have the power to protect those rights.

The legislation which made recreational drugs illegal is therefore in violation of the 9th and 10th Amendments.

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Re: The ninth and tenth amendments [Re: James_Newell] * 2
    #18932795 - 10/04/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You clearly haven't studied the constitution very well.  The states have always had the power to make any drug illegal.  At the time that the Constitution was written, the states had far more power than they have today.

Whether the FEDERAL government can ban drugs is another question.  The SCOTUS has held that they can, and that's the final word on the topic unless/until they overrule themselves.


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Re: The ninth and tenth amendments [Re: Enlil]
    #18933066 - 10/04/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

SCOTUS is so easily corruptable.


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Re: The ninth and tenth amendments [Re: Shins] * 1
    #18933085 - 10/04/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Do you have any evidence that they've been corrupted?


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Re: The ninth and tenth amendments [Re: Enlil]
    #18933691 - 10/04/13 10:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Do you have any evidence that you're not a dickhead?


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Re: The ninth and tenth amendments [Re: Shins] * 1
    #18933699 - 10/04/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Of course not.  I'm a total dickhead.

Do you have evidence that the supreme court has been corrupted?  I've seen some bad decisions they've made, but most of their decisions have been pretty good.  What makes you think that they're corrupt?


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Re: The ninth and tenth amendments [Re: Enlil]
    #18933752 - 10/04/13 11:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They are nominated by politicians.

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Re: The ninth and tenth amendments [Re: Shins] * 2
    #18933766 - 10/04/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How does that necessarily mean they're corrupted?  Not all politicians are corrupt.  Every Federal judge is nominated by a politician...are they all corrupt? 

It seems to me that you assume everything a politician does is necessarily evil.  That kind of black and white thinking is just as ignorant as thinking that everything they do is benevolent.


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Re: The ninth and tenth amendments [Re: Enlil]
    #18933806 - 10/04/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I said the SCOTUS is easily corruptable because they are elected by politicians.

that is a reasonable statement.


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Re: The ninth and tenth amendments [Re: Shins] * 1
    #18933831 - 10/04/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They aren't elected, though...They are appointed.

Nonetheless, they are not nearly as easily corruptible because they have lifetime appointments...as a result, they can do their job without regard to how popular their decisions are among politicians or citizens.


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Re: The ninth and tenth amendments [Re: Shins]
    #18935593 - 10/05/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The Bill of Rights does apply to the states. The rights of the citizens override state government just as much as they override the federal government.

Court corruption is limited due to the very basic nature of the law, which is based on logic.

If the public were to become aware of the 9th and 10th Amendments and the logical range of rights of citizens involved, I think that the logic would produce a ruling in favor of those rights. The 9th and 10th Amendments have rarely been used, but they are sitting there waiting.

I do think that the major political force currently keeping recreational drugs illegal is composed of those people who would lose jobs if drugs were made legal. However, the numbers involved are a rather small percentage of the voters.

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Re: The ninth and tenth amendments [Re: James_Newell]
    #18935753 - 10/05/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The major political force keeping drugs illegal are do-gooder fucks who want to tell you how to live a "better" life.  Which is what most of the voters are.


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Re: The ninth and tenth amendments [Re: James_Newell]
    #18936255 - 10/05/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

James_Newell said:
The Bill of Rights does apply to the states.




You need to brush up on your constitutional law.  The bill of rights has never applied to the states.  See Barron v. Baltimore, 32 U.S. (7 Pet.) 243 (1833).

Most of the rights contained within the Bill of Rights, however, have been applied to the states through the 14th amendment in a process known as "selective incorporation."  Still, to this day, not all of the rights of the bill of rights apply...The most notable exception is the right to a grand jury.  Further, only in the last few years has the right to bear arms been held to apply to the states.


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Re: The ninth and tenth amendments [Re: Enlil]
    #18936290 - 10/05/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

People who are too fanatically against recreational drug use are probably trying to promote militant rebellion against the Federal Government.

In Marxist circles the tactic is known as Agitation. Agitation is when a Vanguard Party or their various associates move to harass workers' and make their lives miserable in order create a general atmosphere of rebellion, grievance and hostility.

This is distinct from Propaganda, which is the spreading of ideas to the now Agitated Workers. By such means, discontent can be spread to the masses, in order to turn such against their leadership.

Drugs keep the people happy, and happy people do not turn traitorous or rebellious. This may sound cynical, but as I have said, if the US ever loses its Super-Power status all hell would break lose because India, Pakistan, China or Russia will start making land-grabs, butting heads and inevitably, launching nukes.


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