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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18924153 - 10/03/13 01:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm drinking a beer right now, and enjoying it, too.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18924157 - 10/03/13 01:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, when you act like an arrogant shit head (Why do you WANT to be an arrogant shithead? you obviously want to act this childish) you are never going to get converts, that is for sure.
You clearly put the chemical on the pedestal, and not intent of consumption which is more important than the chemical itself. I'd rather hang out with an alcohol drinking artist than some new age spiritual tripper that accomplishes nothing but personal experiences which is ultimately a bore to anyone but themselves.
I don't know your intent with psychedelic use, but from what I garnered it seems to be quite common and almost generic. I've seen more creative intent with alcohol than I have with your psychedelic usage.
Why do you think what a person consumes is more important than the intent behind consumption?
You write very well, however but what the point of writing well if you just use it to take a shit on beliefs that differ from yours? You have provided nothing convincing and your argument consists of extreme generalizations for both of the drugs.
You also seem like a classist and racist asshole. Tell me again, if you put psychedelics so high on a pedestal, what is your motive when you act like a condescending jackass? It doesn't make sense because you clearly think people should use psychedelics, however you want to get them to do it by calling them niggers. I know, I know you called Alcohol a nigger, technically, but you might as well call alcohol drinkers niggers. You are in my top ten posters for being a poor example of a tripper. You are very embarrassing.
What direction other than being a condescending chimp did psychedelics point you in? You are a really poor advertisement for psychedelics.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Apollyphelion]
#18924174 - 10/03/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Apollyphelion said: Poland is beautiful, somewhat poor, pretty damn cheap and extremely friendly people. I loved Poland although seeing the language constantly gave me language fatigue. Polish has so many consonants it makes German look Hawaiian
Governments should aspire to be like that. A place of peace and happiness, they are the ones with the real power! Violence is just for the thickheaded.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18924201 - 10/03/13 01:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Apollyphelion said: Terrence McKenna absolutely disgusts me when it comes to psychedelic theory. It's close to garbage philosophy but he does manage to create nice romantic and picturesque ideas. Great sci-fi author, which is basically what he writes.
Sure he does. It's just that his symbiosis idea I find rather plausible. Whenever I was in groups actually following this lifestyle, things were going far, far better than in regular urban groups who don't take anything. Well beer, whatever Useless.
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You are one of the most arrogant sons of bitches I ever seen here on the Shroomery.
You just called Alcohol a nigger molecule? Only an idiot with no respect for life would say something like that in an attempt to prove a point.
Did I read that right?
Seriously?
You read it right. I think it's a complete piece of shit substance, and it's in fact quite destructive. Look for families and relationships destroyed by it, look for destroyed livers that come from its long term use, go check an AA meeting perhaps, you'll hear some shit. But most of all I think it leads to monotonous boring unimaginative thinking. So many people settle for just drinking alcohol, and they don't pursue other more interesting state changes. Sad thing to behold I think. Weddings with alcohol, sugar cakes and more grilled red meat on the table. Wow what rich amazing culture and experience 
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You probably don't know the first fucking thing about alcohol.
This part of my country is mainly known for two things. A certain kind of intricate traditional wood carving, and making super strong, quality, traditional booze out of pears and plums. Wherever you go in my country and even outside, if you bring them a bottle of the local traditional stuff here, they're generally quite happy, appreciating the taste and flavor and who knows what else, because they don't make it like that in other regions.
I've been in the middle of it all my life, and have seen all the holidays featuring it, both my grandparents and my dad were grape growers and making their own wine every year, as well as making the stronger stuff out of pears and plums, as is the custom here for centuries. What do your people do, meet and drink beer from the bar? Wow, amazing. Tell me more.
I've been here, seen the people, customs, what they do and how they think after drinking it. Definitely not impressed. My first shroom trip blew this crap wide open, for me at least. My first Aya trip, first acid at a psy festival, my salvia trips, they all pointed me in this same direction. Alcohol is a boring, unimaginative molecule for the masses.
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At least, alcohol is a more humble drug, something you could use a lot of.
Me? Alcohol? Okay, let's test this theory, shall we?
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Some of my best trips were on weed and alcohol.
Comparing this to what exactly?
Anyway I don't mix much with drinkers here, I won't mix much with drinkers in Poland either. Of course I can't go shooting my mouth off about it, just quietly avoid and go about my business. Same for tobacco smokers, I'm sure they'll be just fine without my input.
Your a faggot stop talking shit on a very real culture. Sure there are just bastard alcoholics, but those who drink a couple brews at the bar with some buddies sharing some thoughts and experiences. Sounds like a good time to me. everything in moderation
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: mutantmushroom]
#18924298 - 10/03/13 02:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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@Apollyphelion like I said, I'm done with this topic, as it clearly isn't the place for it. Probably shouldn't have started bashing alcohol in the first place, simply because this is not the appropriate context to do so. It's even called the Pub. I came here to talk about Polish stuff and simply got carried away.
You keep doing what fulfills you. If it's beer and choking on tobacco smoke, fine. Your world. I've made my testing and comparisons and I have no patience left for placebo, shit replacements and commercial crap shoved down our throats.
I've compared bullshit singing in a church on nothing, with singing in a similar church when everybody's on Ayahuasca. I have no patience left for the clearheaded version. As far as I'm concerned it's wasted time.
I've taken shrooms with people, and I've tried a few beers with people. I have no patience left for the beer. None. It failed the comparison so badly, it might as well be piss as far as I'm concerned. If we have time to gather and share an experience, why would we do so on a weak flimsy molecule that leaves us all hung over the next day? What possible good could come of it? I can't even believe we're having this conversation on a shroom forum. If it's a wedding, New Year's or any occasion we'd want to make memorable, on what planet is alcohol better than an actual shared psy trip? I just don't get the alcohol approach here.
You haven't answered my question, what are you comparing your alcohol "trips" to? Burning Man? Well organized Peyote sweat lodge? Aya ceremony?
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I am comparing alcohol and weed trips to the 300 or so times I have done acid, 50 or so times I have done mushrooms and other various RCs, as well as the 30 or so times I have done salvia. I can't say I cherish a good trip with a good fiend any more than I have gotten drunk with a good friend. Both are different but equally memorable bonding experiences.
If this isn't the place for the discussion, then where is? If you have any conviction you'll start a new thread or continue this discussion here.
The only rituals I find important are those that are your own. I have no interest in a peyote sweat lodge or an Aya ceremony, led by someone with an already set in stone view in tripping. My personal view on psychedelics is more important to uphold than any tradition regarding ayahuasca or mushrooms. I consider an Aya or mushroom ceremony something entirely as commercial as the Disney Channel. It is a culture that was sold to you. Being in a room full of people I do not know, who are all on a psychedelic does not sound like a place where I want to be at all. In fact, each of our arguements are an advertisement in themselves, however my commercial is not trying to sell a very constricted drug view such as yourself.
If your argument was a restaurant, you would have a sign up that says 'Niggers need not Apply' I, on the other hand welcome everybody, as long as they are not violent or an asshole. You are not violent, but you are an asshole.
I think you have a very narrow view on psychedelics, and drugs and general--You are simply saying since alcohol does not work for you, it must be for tools or idiots. That really is the nugget of your argument. Like I said before, you come across as condescending, naive, and on a very tall horse. Your purism towards the subject is very limiting, socially and philosophically.
You also assume all alcohol drinkers are irresponsible and stupid. As if your drug of choice makes you smarter or somehow more accomplished.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Apollyphelion]
#18924712 - 10/03/13 06:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Apollyphelion said: I am comparing alcohol and weed trips to the 300 or so times I have done acid, 50 or so times I have done mushrooms and other various RCs, as well as the 30 or so times I have done salvia. I can't say I cherish a good trip with a good fiend any more than I have gotten drunk with a good friend. Both are different but equally memorable bonding experiences.
If this isn't the place for the discussion, then where is? If you have any conviction you'll start a new thread or continue this discussion here.
The only rituals I find important are those that are your own. I have no interest in a peyote sweat lodge or an Aya ceremony, led by someone with an already set in stone view in tripping. My personal view on psychedelics is more important to uphold than any tradition regarding ayahuasca or mushrooms. I consider an Aya or mushroom ceremony something entirely as commercial as the Disney Channel. It is a culture that was sold to you. Being in a room full of people I do not know, who are all on a psychedelic does not sound like a place where I want to be at all. In fact, each of our arguements are an advertisement in themselves, however my commercial is not trying to sell a very constricted drug view such as yourself.
If your argument was a restaurant, you would have a sign up that says 'Niggers need not Apply' I, on the other hand welcome everybody, as long as they are not violent or an asshole. You are not violent, but you are an asshole.
I think you have a very narrow view on psychedelics, and drugs and general--You are simply saying since alcohol does not work for you, it must be for tools or idiots. That really is the nugget of your argument. Like I said before, you come across as condescending, naive, and on a very tall horse. Your purism towards the subject is very limiting, socially and philosophically.
You also assume all alcohol drinkers are irresponsible and stupid. As if your drug of choice makes you smarter or somehow more accomplished.
Just got back from a nice Salvia trip, which hit all teh right spots 
Now let's see if we can shed some light on this.
I think I might have been a bit too acid in the way I express my views. They are sincere, this is the way I feel about things at this time. If that makes me a retard, so be it.
I do feel alcohol is a waste of time and money and personal health. I see people putting time into it, using it as a lubricant for their gatherings, and I'm quite sure those gatherings pale in comparison to what they could have been.
Take this for instance:
To me, these kids are doing an awesome thing. If they did this every month for the next 10 years, I think they'd be better off because of it, our whole world would be better. Stuff was learned, emotions were studied, understood, exchanged and played with, in the best manner possible. By comparison if these kids gather and get shitfaced drunk with the same frequency, during the same period, I think their lives will end up far worse because of it. Not just liver damage-wise, I mean personality-wise. Thoughts they'll never think, ideas they'll never have, and a lot more vomit stains and shitty Mondays. I think I've said my peace on alcohol. It's not for me, I don't see the wisdom in using it, I don't like the long term results I've seen in other people. Same for tobacco. I wish my society / family / peer group would have had something better to offer than alcohol as a rite of passage. Right now it doesn't, unfortunately. That's why I consider it poor and primitive as far as state changes are concerned. Sweat lodge and Aya ceremonies - Initially I thought the same thing as you. Screw the ceremony. Just gimme the Aya, I'll put on my mp3 player and chill on my own couch or hang with friends, just gimme the molecule. After the ceremony however, I had to admit I didn't know what the hell I was talking about. IMO the value in doing it their way at least once or twice, is that they do things you wouldn't think of doing, or would simply be to lazy to bother with. In the same way you might want to go to a dojo to learn martial arts at first. Then once trained, if you have other ideas, you can certainly develop your own different style. But you don't develop a good martial arts style with no training whatsoever. It doesn't happen. There's a world of difference between tripping solo or with a few mates, and taking part in a well organized ceremony. I suspect it's the same with Peyote sweat lodges, tripping with people that have made a lifestyle of that, for generations. They just took the time to study every aspect in much more depth than your casual tripper would. It's not about accepting the content of their beliefs, I mean the Santo Daime for instance sing about Jesus and Mary and such Christian crap. I dismissed their beliefs the second I laid eyes on them. The practices however, the way they organize the ceremony, that comes with astonishing effects. Primo tripping music, I have yet to hear that kind of vibe coming out of any speakers. If you and 20-50 friends actually gather with a bunch of drums and instruments and have a 7+ hour drum circle when tripping, then yeah, no need to see what a ceremony is all about. But most people don't think to do that, or even if they do, there's no 50 other people to agree and show up at the same time, and actually keep it going for 7, 10 or 12 hours straight. I don't see how you could replicate that experience with alcohol+weed, or how you wouldn't straight up destroy your head and liver in a few years if you tried. Anyway I'm done with this, I really don't care what drinkers are doing, as long as I'm not a part of it. Booze up, ruin livers, drive into trees, I couldn't care less. Once someone knows about tripping and shrooming and they still carry on drinking like it's a good idea, as far as I'm concerned we're done.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18924806 - 10/03/13 07:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Poland:
Don't say Polak KURWA Shitty beer Best speed ever Cheap labourers
And thus ends my knowledge of my fellow Polish
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Insanely knowledgeable psychologists, way ahead of the bullshit Freud spouted.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Beanhead]
#18924830 - 10/03/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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good speed you say?
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Legend]
#18924853 - 10/03/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Polish pink or bikers or Dutch
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Beanhead]
#18924857 - 10/03/13 08:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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haha oh shit! looks like i need to reconnect with my heritage.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18924880 - 10/03/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your supreme ignorance amazes me.
Some of the best and most influential literature ever wrote was by drunks.
Most famous painters were drunks, not all but most.
Composers were drunks.
Drunk people creating a lack of creativity?? Bahahhahah you are fucked sideways in the head.
Drunks are the most creative people in the world. reasons being, the manipulate the actual reality around us and create shit based on whats actually there and make magnificent things from it.
Trippers, think they are on some high pedestal above everyone else because they needed a chemical to alter their original thinking pattern, which is where the crutch you use to support them being more creative comes from. Because you can not be that creative in your sober self, doesn't mean everyone can't. You are just like the below average intellectual who tripped some and think they have gained a higher knowledge. When in reality, if a person of higher intellect had the same experiences, they would just reflect and know it was just them tripping and not try to apply it to everyday life...
Sounds like you just blacked out too many times, made a fool of yourself, and have been alienated by those who you used to hang around with because of it. So now you bash alcohol.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: unknown1123]
#18925768 - 10/03/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh so Alcohol doesn't effect your thinking pattern? Alcoholics don't need their alcohol to behave/feel as they wish? What does being creative in your sober self have to do with comparing alcoholics and trippers? I bet you've never met a tripper in your life that doses as much as your average alcoholic
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: twighead]
#18925774 - 10/03/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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man, people are fucking stupid. 
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Sounds like you just blacked out too many times, made a fool of yourself, and have been alienated by those who you used to hang around with because of it.
this is my favorite line of reasoning right here. Fear of the unknown, gee, so predictable.
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: Spacerific]
#18925912 - 10/03/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I lived in Poland for about a year where I was getting my degree in nursing, which my mum first suggested I get because she needed my grandma to be cared forwhile she was away. It must be known that my mum will usually leave her house unattended, and she won't be there for atleast a week so I have to come over there and care for my nanny for her. Living in Poland I adopted their manner of speaking, I could go into a shop and purchase some charming object and have little to no holdups since I spoke the language superbly. My brother had a problem when he first moved to Poland because he, unlike myself, couldn't speak the language as well as I could. He ended up having to move to France which to him was alot easier to speak, and he took some French lessons by a language specialist whom coincidentally also gave my mum lessons last year. I remember he would come to our house and show my mum the basics to articulating a foreign language, and the lessons usually only lasted about an hour before he would have someone else he had to teach. He was so impressive that she decided to schedule lessons for my sister when she grew up a little more, since she was too young to speak she couldn't start right away, a slight delay was obviously going to be the case with her.
I've been living in Poland for a decade now and I can say without any traces of insincerity that it is one of the best places to live. The view outside of my house is beautiful, one of the greatest landscapes for tourists to travel to to get a look at elegant lands. Though my neighbor doesn't have a view as impressive as I do, his window has been blinded by the curtains, and these curtains won't budge from their original location so he, unlike I, cannot look outside of his window to see the landscape in front of him. Sometimes I will invite him over to take a look at what I'm seeing outside of my window, which I find so elegant that I naturally can't not allow someone to see it..
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Re: Any Polish people in the house? If so, what's Poland like? [Re: unknown1123]
#18926067 - 10/03/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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unknown1123 said: Your supreme ignorance amazes me.
Some of the best and most influential literature ever wrote was by drunks.
Most famous painters were drunks, not all but most.
Composers were drunks.
Drunk people creating a lack of creativity?? Bahahhahah you are fucked sideways in the head.
Drunks are the most creative people in the world. reasons being, the manipulate the actual reality around us and create shit based on whats actually there and make magnificent things from it.

I get what you're saying, that some people made nice works of art when all they had to change their states was booze.
What I'm saying, is that the same people with the same training would have made even more awesome stuff, if they had access to shrooms, mescaline, ayahuasca or acid. I think the world is much poorer compared to what it could have been, if these things were used properly, throughout society.
Here have a look at this. Show me anything similar done with lowly booze.
There are plenty of stories of people going from struggling with alcoholism, to cured and happy with the help of one of those psychedelics named above. I have yet to see the opposite happening. Someone starting with psychedelics, then from there moving to intense use of alcohol, and say that wow, their life is so much better now. Show me some stuff like that, I'd really like to see it.
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Sounds like you just blacked out too many times, made a fool of yourself, and have been alienated by those who you used to hang around with because of it. So now you bash alcohol.
I was never a heavy drinker dude, never blacked out. You're way off on this one. I've always had a poor opinion of drinkers and smokers, and I don't expect it to change any time soon.
As far as I'm concerned, people instinctively long for shroom-like states if anything, and are resorting to booze out of laziness, ignorance of alternatives, or because it's more socially acceptable. Basically settling.
Just out of curiosity, for me a mild mushroom trip seemed to include all the effects of alcohol, with none of the drawbacks and no hangover. What exactly do you claim alcohol has over a low dose of shrooms? I'm not talking legality-wise, I mean effects-wise.
I still can't believe this is not obvious, on a shroom forum.
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: This has turned into a name calling, shit stain of a thread.
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