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Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet?
    #18925851 - 10/03/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you do a search you can find tons of people that have tried it and we know the mycilium will colonize and eat the beans and yet most threads simply end with no response from the OP or they simply gave up. I can't even find a thread of someone saying they actually got a contamination, most just drop off into nothingness. There's a lot of potential problems that could come from beans, perhaps they're not a good spawn even, but it'd still be cool to see a grow from them.


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Re: Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18925870 - 10/03/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have never used beans as spawn, but a potential problem with using beans as spawn is that once they get pressure cooked they will probably make a mess when shaken. Beans are commonly cooked using a pressure cooker and most beans I have had the pleasure to eat would probably not shake very well inside a quart jar once the beans have been pressure cooked for 90-120 minutes.


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Re: Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet? [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #18925889 - 10/03/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That is a potential problem, but I know you can prep them and get them colonized, there's plenty of reports indicating such. One of the last posts I read before making this thread even said something along the lines of 'I was afraid they'd turn to mush, but upon canning them they came out fine.' It should be just like prepping grain spawn, they're both seeds after all and if you actually google 'pressure canning beans' they are prepared *exactly* like we prepare grain. Humans don't like burst beans either.. unless we're refrying them :tongue:.

edit: To give a bit more information there's a quote from RR saying he's never seen someone successfully fruit from beans and that they're more prone to bacterial contamination however there are plenty of people who have at the very least gotten growth within the jar and that due to the surface area they tend to colonize much faster than grains (though as a whole, unless you let it consolidate, there's going to be less total mycilia for spawning). I would think the bacterial issues were most likely from simply having too much water present which can easily be adjusted. The less water the less likely the beans are to burst as well.


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Re: Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18925923 - 10/03/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I like the phrasing of your post. I wonder which holds water better though, conventional grains like wild bird seed or beans?

Edit: conventional grains also being rye berries and rgs


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Re: Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18925932 - 10/03/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Rye and WBS have more surface area than most beans would in a jar so you'll get more mycellium.


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Re: Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18925963 - 10/03/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

There's quite a bit of Nitrogen in beans when they are dry. It would be interesting to see how beans compare to wild bird seed or other grains in the nitrogen department as well as other things like phosphorus.


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Re: Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet? [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #18926019 - 10/03/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If there is more surface area to grains then wouldn't that mean there is more space for water within the beans themselves (and also more nutrients assuming they're the same density as the grains)? If they're less dense than grains then that also means there's more area for water to occupy within the grains. All in all things should essentially equalize.

edit: What exactly does 'surface area' mean anyway? As far as I'm concerned the surface area of a sphere is infinite since you can divide it into as many sections as you possibly want. It's spherical in nature, at least that's how it appears, and the further you zoom in you'll find there are no sharp edges, as such it's truly impossible to measure with any accuracy without first settling on an arbitrary degree of detail. It's kind of complicated to explain what I mean if that doesn't make sense, but basically I don't believe surface area is as important as it's chalked up to be.


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Re: Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18926028 - 10/03/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Mushrooms don't need a whole bunch of nutrition. The spawn is to colonize the substrate so more myc would be better. You might find you need to use 1.5q of bean to get where 1q of rye would. It's not like beans are way more inexpensive.


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Re: Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18926051 - 10/03/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

But if you just waited for the mycilium to further consolidate the beans then wouldn't you have more mycilium anyhow? Theoretically if you didn't spawn and just let your mycilium eat up all the grains they would and thus you'd have a block of pure mycilium would you not? In practice they typically fruit before that has happened, so I'm not sure, but... Eh.. I just don't see why it matters particularly much about how much total mycilium is within the spawn, I thought it was all about mycilial distribution and growth rate, if they fully colonize the substrate they fully colonize the substrate. Once that happens it will fruit until it's consumed as many of the nutrients from the spawn + sub that it can so it really shouldn't matter how much of the bean spawn has been consumed *before* spawning, all that matters is that it is capable of fully colonizing the substrate from that point right?


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Re: Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18926059 - 10/03/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If the beans are let to consolidate then they are pretty useless as spawn. You want the myc to actively be looking for new food so it goes quickly when spawned.

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all that matters is that it is capable of fully colonizing the substrate from that point right?




It probably would still but your contam risk would be higher since you would now have to wait for consolidated mycellium to go back into the growing phase when it's trying to go towards the fruiting stage.


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Re: Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18926076 - 10/03/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What if the quality of the food the mycelium is consuming actually matters? The reason I thought it would be interesting to see a comparison between beans and grains regarding nitrogen and phosphorus (among other things) is because these elements make up the bulk of a psilocybin molecule. I don't know whether the presence of extra N and P makes a noticeable or significant difference but coffee makes a difference and it's got a lot of nitrogen and is also very nutritional.


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Re: Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet? [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #18926091 - 10/03/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The genetics is all that matters. Regardless of the availiable P and N the fruit is going to make however much psilocybin it was going to. Just like humans we make as much bones and blood as we make and a different diet won't change that. Mushrooms are not plants.

Isolating good genetics would be pointless if we could gut load psilocybin precursors into mycellium using some sort of fertilizer to make the fruit bodies more potent.


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Re: Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18926119 - 10/03/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How do you know what you just wrote is true? Why are you mentioning fertilizer? I'm getting the impression that you thought of violets tek when you wrote that.

btw, depending on a persons diet they will have more or less red blood cells. Depending on a persons diet, the density of their bones will be different. Depending on a persons diet, their skin and nails can all be different. Depending on a persons diet, they can smell in general and have odor coming from their mouth. One of the reasons diet can affect red blood cell production is due to varying amounts of iron in a persons diet.


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Re: Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet? [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #18926171 - 10/03/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I feel like he's just saying that because that's what he's been told before. A human can eat growth hormones and they will grow *more*, period, what you said about humans is not true at all. There's a lot of factors that affect human growth. A human can have a bacterial imbalance which will cause us to get fatter, our stomachs will grow. Take a bunch of estrogen and your boobs and hips will grow, whether you're a male or female. These days people are taller on average than they were 1000 years ago and it has little to nothing to do with genetics. This is like say FAE does not matter, mushies will grow as tall and fat as they would regardless. Humans diet doesn't matter either, here, just drink this water and be sure to tuck your sheets in at night, it's all about moisture content, oh and shower if your skin ever flushes, that's a sign you need to rehydrate.


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Re: Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18926234 - 10/03/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Can people stop assuming/stating things they have ABSOLUTELY no proof of. Please.


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Re: Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet? [Re: dark3st]
    #18926243 - 10/03/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Can people stop assuming/stating things they have ABSOLUTELY no proof of. Please.




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Re: Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet? [Re: budmanman]
    #18926257 - 10/03/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Actually, they can.


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Re: Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet? [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #18926271 - 10/03/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If we did that we'd never learn anything, it's just important to state whether it's a fact or an assumption. There's nothing wrong with making assumptions though, this is what leads us to testable theories which is where facts come from. You have to start somewhere.


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Re: Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18926282 - 10/03/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ok how about stating things as fact without proof.

Sure you can have valid hypothesis but people really need to stop stating things as fact in the absence of proof


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Re: Has anyone done a successful bean grow yet? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18926295 - 10/03/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Saying things on this form and not backing them up can end up doing a disservice to new members and lurkers using the search function. Just saying "it's this way" without giving any reason why you think that is not doing anyone any good. Bodhissata could have given evidence to suggest that genetics is "all that matters." Instead he gave a faulty example to illustrate his point.


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