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OfflineNetDiver
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Psychedelics and Latent Schizophrenia
    #18925428 - 10/03/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hey, I'm posting this in here instead of TPE because it's psychology related and this is the best forum on the Shroomery. :yesnod:

Anyway, I've often heard it said that psychedelics do not cause schizophrenia, but have the ability to aggravate latent schizophrenia. I'm just wondering -- how can psychiatrists tell if schizophrenia was latent or if it was caused by the psychedelics, if were are no symptoms before the patient dosed? How can you tell if someone has latent schizophrenia? Are these judgments made based on family history and genetic predisposition?

I'm also wondering a little about what it means to have a latent mental disorder? Does it just indicate strong potential to develop one? Or is it like a virus that lies dormant in your system until some factor causes symptoms to reappear?


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Re: Psychedelics and Latent Schizophrenia [Re: NetDiver]
    #18925439 - 10/03/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Good questions. I have a feeling there aren't good answers though.


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Re: Psychedelics and Latent Schizophrenia [Re: Memories]
    #18925448 - 10/03/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

We lack the technology to view and record the schizophrenic experience and its causes.


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Re: Psychedelics and Latent Schizophrenia [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18925490 - 10/03/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD_and_schizophrenia pretty interesting. Doesn't answer questions but gives some insight into what we know about it.


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Re: Psychedelics and Latent Schizophrenia [Re: Grapefruit]
    #18926696 - 10/03/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There is no test for schizophrenia, it is like you say based on relatives diagnoses and reported / observed behaviour.

They are quite good at figuring out if you're faking it though, because for instance someone could kill someone then fake they're insane.

I think schizophrenia is dormant in the brain until 18-25 usually. It may emerge without drugs, it may not emerge at all. It may in some cases emerge in the 40s.

But cannabis and MDMA, made it emerge for me around 17...

Mushrooms don't work on dopamine D2 receptor sites, unlike LSD, weed and amphetamines, making it less likely to bring up latent illness, if the dopamine hypothesis of schizophrenia is right or partially right.

LSD and mushrooms, or hallucinogens in general, aren't actually related to psychosis in the sense that they are not a model psychosis or that is the belief today. (Wikipedia)

Unfortunately we'd know exactly what we're talking about if research wasn't banned all these years (until recently).


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