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How does mushroom coloring work? Does it tell us anything and can we change it?
    #18925186 - 10/03/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I know there's a genetic factor of course as it's know the blue bruising, purple vs red spores (maybe other colors have been observed?), and of course the shades of the mushrooms or lack there of in the case of albinos is all genetically related. However I'm wondering what aspect of the color is *not* genetically related and how we can possibly change it based on the growth medium in particular.

What got me thinking this is by noticing that all of our spawn ingredients are primary browns and yellows in nature, and our mushrooms tend to be these same colors. All of the substrate has even less color in it than our grains. If you look at freshly harvested grains they're a good bit more colorful than what you get off the shelf, and I'd assume when picking them they are already at 'field capacity' so the first experiment I'd be interested in is simply growing out some jars from grains harvested right from the field and otherwise untreated, just put them directly into the jars and can strait from harvest. I don't have access to such atm, so I can't try it, but I am attempting some other related things atm and will try to report if anything comes from it.

I'm not just wondering this simply because it'd be novel to have some multicolored mushrooms, but thinking that it might teach us other things about their growth and life cycle as well as perhaps allow us to further alter them to our own desires. My current thinking is simply that they tend to take on the color of whatever is grown around them, for instance if you could get them to grow in something that is green I wouldn't be surprised if you ended up with a green mushroom.


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Re: How does mushroom coloring work? Does it tell us anything and can we change it? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18925207 - 10/03/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Just throw some food coloring in your sub lol.


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Re: How does mushroom coloring work? Does it tell us anything and can we change it? [Re: maddchef]
    #18925229 - 10/03/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

But then I'd have to eat it, and food coloring is fairly expensive too. You could make tie dye mushrooms though. Take 7 jars and make each one a color of the rainbow, mix em all in the substrate and umm... you'd get swirly dyed mushrooms? Maybe?

I was thinking a more natural route would be to start with white grains and make a tea out of flowers to use as the soak water. The flowers are full of sugars and starches that the mushrooms can utilize, I *think* they also have antimicrobial and other properties which could help, could make it worse (do they have antifungals?). This way though you could tell by the way your grain looks how much of the coloring they have absorbed from the flowers and then based on how the mushrooms look and how the grain looks afterward you can tell how much coloring the mushrooms have absorbed and the grains then lost.

I'm actually currently trying a few jars made by a flower extract, and the grains do look more vibrant in color, though not greatly so, simply more closely colored to freshly harvested grains than anything else. We'll see how they do. They smell nicer lol.


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Re: How does mushroom coloring work? Does it tell us anything and can we change it? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18925312 - 10/03/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Mushrooms donot take up any colours from the substrate, because they have the enzymes to decompose almost every organic molecule they can take up. They would just digest the colour. There may be some chemical compound they may not be able to desompose, but I doubt that its easy to find something like that. It´s not as easy as colouring a white roseflower with blue ink.

By the way: All plants contain antifungal and antimicrobial compounds, its part of their immune system. Many flower species and especially kitchen herbs (thyme, rosemary, majoram) are rich in terpenoids, which can be a bit poisonous for your mycelium. On the other hand most of these compounds probably are volatile or wouldn´t survive sterilisation.


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Re: How does mushroom coloring work? Does it tell us anything and can we change it? [Re: Rauhfasertapete]
    #18925416 - 10/03/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What if you overfeed them a dye/color of some sort? Like overfeeding a human protien, eventually the protien will just turn into fat as the body doesn't need it and thus it will be stored in the body, or in the case of a mushroom the fruit (or mycilial structure somewhere?). What about albino mushrooms, might they take on any colors since they have none of their own? For that matter does albinoism have any correlation with the mushrooms ability to process certain things? For instance maybe they can't metabolize whatever gives things colors, or perhaps they're very efficient at processing them and absorbing them, thus why they appear white (as they contain all of the colors, thus reflecting white).


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