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Obamacare
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Which would you prefer obamacare or the affordable healthcare act?
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what? obamacare is aka the affordable care act,
seems to be working just as planned
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Re: Obamacare [Re: B_BOY]
#18925245 - 10/03/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LOL You are correct B_boy Political discussion almost always seems to start hard feelings towards others that's why I threw this one out there(I am involved in politics, but that's not why I'm on here but it never hurts to get into civil discussions about it but they hardly ever turn out to be civil dis.). Can't get much past my fellow shroomerites! Jimmy Kimmel was the one who started that one and you would not believe the amount of people that said oh the ahca by far! Wait a minute yes u would.
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Obama care because obama cares 
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cc1 said: LOL You are correct B_boy Political discussion almost always seems to start hard feelings towards others that's why I threw this one out there(I am involved in politics, but that's not why I'm on here but it never hurts to get into civil discussions about it but they hardly ever turn out to be civil dis.). Can't get much past my fellow shroomerites! Jimmy Kimmel was the one who started that one and you would not believe the amount of people that said oh the ahca by far! Wait a minute yes u would.
OHHH yeah most average people on the street, especially Obama voters are pretty gullible and or ignorant.
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Re: Obamacare [Re: B_BOY]
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Alright now, I am an Obama voter and Democrat middle class white voter, now remember what I wrote this is not why I joined the shroomery political discussions can quickly turn ugly and friends into enemies so be nice. But how in the World can ANYONE trust the republicans hell actually I just think the dems. are the lesser of two evils. IMO Obamacare is a step in the right direction, could use some reform. But something has to be done about the state of healthcare, people are dying so insurance companies can rake in the $$$. Maybe this is not the answer but at least a step forward. This is my opinion and like I said I actually just posted this to see how many I could catch on it, I didn't get to see how quick you answered but by the time I got back there had only been like 20 views! Ohh and if people don't think the government is in there docs office, who do u think oversees scripts written?
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People are not dying so health insurance can rake in millions (their profit margin is not that much) and Obamacare has given them even more power than before. MedicAid already took care of the poor. Sure the quality of care sucked almost as much as Canada's and Britain's but at least it was something. Now we have, thanks to Obamacare an incredible work statistic. 77 % of new hires last year were for jobs less than 30 hours. Gee, I wonder why that is. Don't you? I bet we're going to see a lot of companies with just under 50 full time employees.
Socialism is stupid but socialists are even stupider.
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No,I don't, u can't repair the damage Bush did in 8 years UNLESS the president can get some bipartisan support, not happening obviously!!
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What damage? Your idea of it might differ from mine.
The Republicans were elected to the House specifically to thwart Obamacare, which the People pretty much loathe. It is a complete crap sandwich.
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I agree, Obamacare takes money from the young healthy people by making it mandatory to have insurance at a steep price. That money is used to fund the dying baby boomer population that they will loose money on in the long run.
It has become a mandatory tax to steal the wealth from the middle class. All the premiums will go up and if you do not comply the penalties will keep getting worse. They will ask you on your tax return for proof of insurance and if you don't have it they take the money away on the spot.
There is no checks or balances, they answer to no one. Its complete bullshit. just like the two party system. These fools fight with themselves like children in preschool.
Do you really think they have anyone's best intentions in mind but themselves?
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I just read a post by you that said ps I hate democrats so u hate me because I'm a democrat, if that's what your saying that's pretty shitty man. I do believe u have actually helped me out in other forums so if you read my post on where we are debating that is EXACTLY the reason I posted that!!
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Like I said the lesser of 2 evils
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reality_check said: I agree, Obamacare takes money from the young healthy people by making it mandatory to have insurance at a steep price. That money is used to fund the dying baby boomer population that they will loose money on in the long run.
It has become a mandatory tax to steal the wealth from the middle class. All the premiums will go up and if you do not comply the penalties will keep getting worse. They will ask you on your tax return for proof of insurance and if you don't have it they take the money away on the spot.
There is no checks or balances, they answer to no one. Its complete bullshit. just like the two party system. These fools fight with themselves like children in preschool.
Do you really think they have anyone's best intentions in mind but themselves?
Fucking this.
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cc1 said: Like I said the lesser of 2 evils
Democrats suck ass
I'm not Republican
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Read my second post! I'm just another mushroom lover like you, and I don't suck ass and I am NOT A REPUBLICAN either.
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zappaisgod said: People are not dying so health insurance can rake in millions (their profit margin is not that much)
False, health Insurance companies have profit margins well into the millions, and even billions.
UnitedHealth Group pulled in $5.1 billion net in 2011. Aetna earned $1.99 billion in 2011.
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Obamacare has given them even more power than before
No objections. PPACA funnels more money to them than ever before.
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What percentage was their profit margin?
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Re: Obamacare Meant for this reply for the guy above BoldAsLove [Re: BoldAsLove]
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Finally someone stepped in, NOT MUCH PROFIT, zappaisgod, fuck I'd love to see your bank account then.
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cc1 said: Read my second post! I'm just another mushroom lover like you, and I don't suck ass and I am NOT A REPUBLICAN either.
I despise the democratic party. I share hardly any values with them. They support higher taxes, government handouts to parasitic poor, even though democrats never admit it handouts to the parasitic rich, government bailouts, government interference in health care. Government! Government! Government! Bunch of government cock sucking bastards, government empowering bastards. Not to mention their racist history of the Klu Kluck Klan, opposing the civil right movement, and now supporting racist selection of people through affirmative action
There are only 2 points of the democratic platform that I can get on board with. One being gay rights. The other being abortion, which is not even a real political issue let alone an important one considering the Supreme Court ruled on it 40 years ago
Sure there are things that I disdain about the republican party, but on these issues of contention I have with the republicans democrats are no different. They support drug prohibition, meddling in foreign conflicts, and catering to rich special interests
I am a right wing libertarian, a Constitutionalist. To my way of thinking the Republicans are the lesser of two evils, but they are only slightly better then Democrats.
What a disgusting animal the Democratic Party is. With such a disgusting history
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luvdemshrooms said: What percentage was their profit margin?
About 5%. But those two numbers I posted were net profits.
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luvdemshrooms said: What percentage was their profit margin?
About 5%. But those two numbers I posted were net profits.
5% is not excessive.
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And I never claimed that it was, but insurance companies certainly do "rake in millions."
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So what? Insurance companies are businesses. As long as they run their business in a legal manner they are free to take every dollar people wish to give them for their services.
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Go back and look at what I made my original post in response too. Zappa responded to the OP who claimed that insurance companies "rake in millions." Zappa said that their profit margins "aren't that big." Their profit margins are certainly more than millions, that's the only claim I'm making.
I haven't made any claims about whether or not they should be earning that much, the validity of their business, or what I think about any of it.
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zappa's comment that their profits are not that high is quite accurate. While yours is as well, it doesn't matter whether they profit millions or billions as long as they do so legally.
Profit margins are measured in percentages. If that translates to billions, so be it.
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"That" in the way you just used it, is relative. Because of that, I read zappa's comment with the "that" referring to the millions, and that is what I was responding to.
For the record, I don't care what the insurance companies are earning. They are obviously providing a valuable service that people want and are willing to pay for. And I don't think their profit margin is excessive (at least of the two companies I posted. I don't know about others).
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That's better the Democratic Party not democrats see we can agree to disagree! Yes this country is in terrible shape right now I would say we are not just in a depression, but this is of great importance, I would have to say we are nearing a Great Depression. Oh yeah sure unemployment is getting better because people are having to go to work making poverty wages and this time its not just blue collar but across the board,but this is not all the democratic parties fault, big companies have too much power Wal-Mart for example. Move into small towns of America and because they are so rich and powerful they can sell things below cost, they do this at first and educate there employees on how to enroll in Medicare and welfare, then when mom and pop stores have to shut down because they can't sell things below what they bought them for they dont have the cash to do so, wal mart turns around and jacks the prices up and the money goes into the pockets of the Walton family and there cronies, not the town that gave them government subsidies to move in there in the first place, and this is something that can be seen all over small town America, decimating the town cause where are you going to shop or even work at you no have much of a choice! I do agree SOMETHING has got to give my fellow shroomerites!
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cc1 said: That's better the Democratic Party not democrats
Democrats and their supporters are the Democratic party. One in the same, no separation. They have a disgusting past, disgusting present stance, and have seen nothing changing anytime soon
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cc1 said: Yes this country is in terrible shape right now I would say we are not just in a depression, but this is of great importance, I would have to say we are nearing a Great Depression. Oh yeah sure unemployment is getting better because people are having to go to work making poverty wages and this time its not just blue collar but across the board,but this is not all the democratic parties fault, big companies have too much power Wal-Mart for example. Move into small towns of America and because they are so rich and powerful they can sell things below cost, they do this at first and educate there employees on how to enroll in Medicare and welfare, then when mom and pop stores have to shut down because they can't sell things below what they bought them for they dont have the cash to do so, wal mart turns around and jacks the prices up and the money goes into the pockets of the Walton family and there cronies, not the town that gave them government subsidies to move in there in the first place, and this is something that can be seen all over small town America, decimating the town cause where are you going to shop or even work at you no have much of a choice! I do agree SOMETHING has got to give my fellow shroomerites!
I'm neither support or oppose Walmart. You may think Walmart is this countries downfall (something I think is rather rediculous, but you certainly may believe it), but I think government is the problem. I do believe outsourcing of american jobs and industry is a problem for America, but guess who signed NAFTA. The Democrats god Bill Clinton that's who. Again government is the problem
Also if you would elaborate on how Walmart has anything to do with party lines & differences I'm sure it will be most entertaining
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"These Negroes,they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before,the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this,we've got to give them a little something,just enough to quiet them down,not enough to make a difference. For if we don't move at all,then their allies will line up against us and there'll be no way of stopping them,we'll lose the filibuster and there'll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It'll be Reconstruction all over again."
--Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D.,Texas),1957
"I did not lie awake at night worrying about the problems of Negroes."
--Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy,1961
"I do not think it is an exaggeration at all to say to my friend from West Virginia [Sen. Robert C. Byrd,a former Ku KluxKlan recruiter] that he would have been a great senator at any moment. . . . He would have been right during the great conflict of civil war in this nation."
--Sen. Christopher Dodd (D.,Conn.),2004
"I mean,you got the first mainstream African American [Barack Obama] who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice looking guy."
-- Sen. Joseph Biden Jr.,(D.,Del.),2006-07
"I am a former Kleagle [recruiter] of the Ku KluxKlan in Raleigh County. The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia. It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state in the union."
-- Democrat Senator Robert Byrd
"Blacks are inferior to the whites in the endowments of both of body and mind."
-- Father of the Democrat party Thomas Jefferson
"White folks was in caves while we was building empires... We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it."
-- 'The Rev' Al Sharpton
"Jews,that's J-E-W-S"
-- Democratic state representative Bill McKinney on why his daughter Cynthia lost in 2002
"You f*cking Jew b@stard"
-- Democrat Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to political operative Paul Fraymark
"I don't care what people are saying Uptown or wherever they are. This city will be chocolate at the end of the day. This city will be a majority African-American city. It's the way God wants it to be."
-- Democrat Mayor of New Orleans Ray Nagin
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zappaisgod said: People are not dying so health insurance can rake in millions (their profit margin is not that much)
False, health Insurance companies have profit margins well into the millions, and even billions.
UnitedHealth Group pulled in $5.1 billion net in 2011. Aetna earned $1.99 billion in 2011.
What is the profit margin?
http://www.google.com/finance?cid=665575
Aetna 4.6%. That is pissQuote:
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Obamacare has given them even more power than before
No objections. PPACA funnels more money to them than ever before.
Then how come my insurance provider just told me that my policy will no longer exist after 12/31 and they aren't interested in selling people like me insurance at all? This is the third time since Obamacare was passed that my insurance has disappeared and the price has skyrocketed.
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"I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's not a n*gger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a White man from dust,a n*gger from mud,then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I. It is race prejudice,I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa,Yellow men in Asia and White men in Europe and America."
-Harry Truman (1911) in a letter to his future wife Bess
"You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent." -Senator Joe Biden
Mahatma Gandhi "ran a gas station down in Saint Louis."
-Senator Hillary Clinton
"You'd find these potentates from down in Africa,you know,rather than eating each other,they'd just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva." -- Fritz Hollings (D,S.C.)
"Is you their black-haired answer-mammy who be smart? Does they like how you shine their shoes,Condoleezza? Or the way you wash and park the whitey's cars?"
-- Left-wing radio host Neil Rogers
Blacks and Hispanics are "too busy eating watermelons and tacos" to learn how to read and write." -- Mike Wallace, CBS News. Source: Newsmax
Black on Black
"In the days of slavery,there were those slaves who lived on the plantation and [there] were those slaves that lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master ... exactly the way the master intended to have you serve him. Colin Powell's committed to come into the house of the master. When Colin Powell dares to suggest something other than what the master wants to hear,he will be turned back out to pasture." -- Harry Belafonte
"Republicans bring out Colin Powell and J.C. Watts because they have no program,no policy. They have no love and no joy. They'd rather take pictures with black children than feed them." -- Donna Brazile,Al Gore's Campaign Manager for the 2000 election
(On Clarence Thomas) "A handkerchief-head,chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom." -- Spike Lee
"He's married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn't want to be black."
-- California State Senator Diane Watson's on Ward Connerly's interracial marriage
Comments From The Past
"These laws [segregation] are still constitutional and I promise you that until they are removed from the ordinance books of Birmingham and the statute books of Alabama,they will be enforced in Birmingham to the utmost of my ability and by all lawful means."
-- Democrat Bull Connor (1957),Commissioner of Public Safety for Birmingham,Alabama
"I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
-- Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One according Ronald Kessler's Book,"Inside The White House"
(On New York) "K*ketown." -- Harry Truman in a personal letter
"There’s some people who’ve gone over the state and said,‘Well,George Wallace has talked too strong about segregation.’ Now let me ask you this: how in the name of common sense can you be too strong about it? You’re either for it or you’re against it. There’s not any middle ground as I know of." -- Democratic Alabama Governor George Wallace (1959)
On Jews
"The Jews don't like Farrakhan,so they call me Hitler. Well,that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man. He rose Germany up from the ashes." -- Louis Farrakhan (1984) who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002
"Now that nation called Israel,never has had any peace in forty years and she will never have any peace because there can never be any peace structured on injustice,thievery,lying and deceit and using the name of God to shield your dirty religion under his holy and righteous name." -- Louis Farrakhan who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002,1984
'Hymies.' 'Hymietown.' -- Jesse Jackson's description of New York City while on the 1984 presidential campaign trail.
"Jews —that's J-E-W-S." -- Democratic state representative Bill McKinney on why his daughter Cynthia lost in 2002
On Whites
"I want to go up to the closest white person and say: 'You can't understand this,it's a black thing' and then slap him, just for my mental health."
-- Charles Barron,a New York city councilman at a reparations rally,2002
"Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them." -- Mary Frances Berry,Chairwoman,US Commission on Civil Rights
(I) "will not let the white boys win in this election." -- Donna Brazile,Al Gore's Campaign Manager on the 2000 election
"The old white boys got taken fair and square." -- San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown after winning an election
"There are white n*ggers. I've seen a lot of white n*ggers in my time." -- Former Klansman and Current US Senator Robert Byrd,a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate" in March of 2001
"The Medicaid system must have been developed by a white male slave owner. It pays for you to be pregnant and have a baby,but it won't pay for much family planning." -- Jocelyn Elders
The white man is our mortal enemy,and we cannot accept him. I will fight to see that vicious beast go down into the lake of fire prepared for him from the beginning,that he never rise again to give any innocent black man,woman or child the hell that he has delighted in pouring on us for 400 years." -- Louis Farrakhan who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002,City College audience in New York
"There's no great,white bigot; there's just about 200 million little white bigots out there." -- USA Today columnist Julienne Malveaux
"We have lost to the white racist press and to the racist reactionary Jewish misleaders." -- Former Rep. Gus Savage (D-Illinois) after his defeat 1992
"White folks was in caves while we was building empires... We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it." -- Rev. Al Sharpton in a 1994 speech at Kean College, NJ,cited in "Democrats Do the Dumbest Things
"The white race is the cancer of human history." -- Susan Sontag
"Reparations are a really good way for white people to admit they're wrong." -- Zack Webb,University Of Kentucky
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zappaisgod said: What damage? Your idea of it might differ from mine.
How about the TRILLION thats $1,000,000,000 fuck'n hole he put us in with his useless war in Iraq?
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Just how the pubs like'm: dumb, fat, poor, uninsured and RED
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zappaisgod said: People are not dying so health insurance can rake in millions (their profit margin is not that much)
False, health Insurance companies have profit margins well into the millions, and even billions.
UnitedHealth Group pulled in $5.1 billion net in 2011. Aetna earned $1.99 billion in 2011.
What is the profit margin?
http://www.google.com/finance?cid=665575
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Obamacare has given them even more power than before
No objections. PPACA funnels more money to them than ever before.
Then how come my insurance provider just told me that my policy will no longer exist after 12/31 and they aren't interested in selling people like me insurance at all? This is the third time since Obamacare was passed that my insurance has disappeared and the price has skyrocketed.
I addressed the issues of profit margin above in my discussion with LDS. I do not think their profit margins are excessive, but they certainly "rake in millions."
I don't know why your insurance providers have chosen to do that, but I agreed with your point. The insurance companies got a great deal with the PPACA.
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How about the TRILLION thats $1,000,000,000 fuck'n hole he put us in with his useless war in Iraq?
That is over 10 years and is about the same as the means tested largesse given away in one year. Fucking peanuts.
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I addressed the issues of profit margin above in my discussion with LDS. I do not think their profit margins are excessive, but they certainly "rake in millions."
I don't know why your insurance providers have chosen to do that, but I agreed with your point. The insurance companies got a great deal with the PPACA.
If they got such a great deal how come they are abandoning a huge portion of the market?
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cc1 said: But how in the World can ANYONE trust the republicans hell actually I just think the dems. are the lesser of two evils.
How in the world can anyone trust Obama and democrats? he is a complete horse's ass, and then you have fucking complete morons, liars, and scoundrels like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid--jesus christ you trust THEM?
the truth is, with the exception of a few libertarians, the democrats and republicans are for all intents and purposes one and the same as far as almost all important policy goes.
Oh, the republicans raise a stink about morals, the democrats raise a stink about 'rights' etc, but whats more important? Fucking condoms for everyone, abortions, or whether or not you support gay marriage, or whether or not the country is going to be bankrupt in 10 years?
the democrats and republicans pick their sides by social issues, and its a big fucking noise-generating smoke screen so the people don't pay attention to the really important shit--like the value of the currency, whether or not people are working, etc.
Both sides are blowing smoke up our asses because they both gain their power from having a great big credit card that they can use to buy votes from various blocks of constituents.
The only difference is who they are spending the money on.
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social issues, and its a big fucking noise-generating smoke screen so the people don't pay attention to the really important shit--like the value of the currency, whether or not people are working, etc.
Finally something we can agree on. But it's the big pub money machines that are drive that train.
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For context, I might note that most of the poor work very hard. In fact, many of them work so hard that they have ruined their joints by age fifty or sixty. In terms of welfare, I have always thought that we should have a guaranteed jobs program. There are many jobs such as restoring damaged environments, captive breeding programs for endangered animals and plants, helping the elderly with mental simulation in nursing homes, tutoring students, etc. which private business cannot afford to do, but which are nevertheless needed. I think the reason we don't have a universal jobs program is that corporations don't want everyone able to do so to be employed. They would lose some of their control over their workers if their workers had somewhere else to go if they were abused, etc. The corporations us threats of unemployment and extreme poverty to have better control over their employees.
Now as to Obamacare. Remember that Republicans refused to pass the real cost control measure the Democrats proposed, the public healh insurance option. Prices could have been brought down by government giving cheaer nsurance, if Republican had allowed the public option to stay in the bill. In fact, it was the Republicans to force the Obamacare legislation in the first place. If the Democrats had had their druthers, they would have voted in a simple single payer univefssal health care system.
Other developed nations with universal health card (all in the world but the United States) pay anything from just less than half the cost of the private business American healh care system to slightly more than half of what we spend. America is spendiing about 17% of Gross Demestic Product for our system and rising. Germany, the most expensive universl health care3 nation spends about 11 percent of GDP, while most spend 8 or 9 percent. So you can see how much more we spend, and we don't cover everyone like those foreign nations do.
In addition, medical care is better in the universal health care developed nations. They have a longer average life expectancy. In addition, if you go to the United Nations website and look at the statistic, the universal health care systems are better than the American system on many other measures.
This inforation is being kept from American voters as much as possible, but the statistics which show the real situation are available.
So if thd Democrats had had their druthers, we would have ended up with a universal health care system which would have been much less expensive and provided better medical care.
With the current legislatiln, Democrats of course hope to reform it step by stem until it bcomes a universal health care system.
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In fact, many of them work so hard that they have ruined their joints by age fifty or sixty. In terms of welfare, I have always thought that we should have a guaranteed jobs program. There are many jobs such as restoring damaged environments, captive breeding programs for endangered animals and plants, helping the elderly with mental simulation in nursing homes, tutoring students, etc. which private business cannot afford to do, but which are nevertheless needed. I think the reason we don't have a universal jobs program is that corporations don't want everyone able to do so to be employed. They would lose some of their control over their workers if their workers had somewhere else to go if they were abused, etc. The corporations us threats of unemployment and extreme poverty to have better control over their employees.
What do corporations have to do with welfare? Do you know why we don't have real work for benefits programs? Public sector unions.Quote:
Now as to Obamacare. Remember that Republicans refused to pass the real cost control measure the Democrats proposed, the public healh insurance option. Prices could have been brought down by government giving cheaer nsurance, if Republican had allowed the public option to stay in the bill. In fact, it was the Republicans to force the Obamacare legislation in the first place. If the Democrats had had their druthers, they would have voted in a simple single payer univefssal health care system.
Yes, the commie cunts did want to completely ruin our health system by turning it into Canada. If they did that where would Canadians go for operations? Cheaper how? In what way does it make it cheaper for, say, me, a mondo taxpayer? It doesn't. It completely fucks me and degrades the industryQuote:
Other developed nations with universal health card (all in the world but the United States) pay anything from just less than half the cost of the private business American healh care system to slightly more than half of what we spend. America is spendiing about 17% of Gross Demestic Product for our system and rising. Germany, the most expensive universl health care3 nation spends about 11 percent of GDP, while most spend 8 or 9 percent. So you can see how much more we spend, and we don't cover everyone like those foreign nations do.
So? You're all over the place here. What do you mean by we? Sometimes its the government and sometimes it's private citizens. I got an idea. Except for completely indigent assholes, for whom we already had a program, let's get the government out of it entirely. There is absolutely no reason to believe that government health insurance will lower costs of care. It is just going to restrict choice and shift the cost. Do you know who gets fucked the most? Young healthy males are getting completely fucked.Quote:
In addition, medical care is better in the universal health care developed nations. They have a longer average life expectancy. In addition, if you go to the United Nations website and look at the statistic, the universal health care systems are better than the American system on many other measures.
The fuck it is. The United Nations is a joke and I have had two potentially fatal cancers that I would have had just slightly better than even chance of surviving in the UK. Ib the US? Well over 90%Quote:
This inforation is being kept from American voters as much as possible, but the statistics which show the real situation are available.
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So if thd Democrats had had their druthers, we would have ended up with a universal health care system which would have been much less expensive and provided better medical care.
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With the current legislatiln, Democrats of course hope to reform it step by stem until it bcomes a universal health care system.
Jim
Yes we know that. First they give a taste and then they hook you forever. See the Ponzi scheme known as social security.
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The problem here is ACA IS THE LAW OF THE LAND and until you become a national party again and not a party of contrived districts of old white guys, you're going to have to live with it.
And because you're not a national party anymore, all you have left is to hold the country hostage. Which isn't helping your imagine any.
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Lol all this started with a post to see how many people I could fool and B_boy figured it out right off the bat I figured wow that's the end of that one but when I posted now be nice political discussion almost always turns out to be arguments and can turn friends into enemies turned out to be absolutely correct and just for the record before it's said I don't want to hear I was never your friend! Hahahaha
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And that's not aimed at you sweeper54 I liked your points of view!
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cc1 that line only works on the street, not in a Political Discussion Forum.
The average American on the street can barely tell you what day of the week let alone the date. In here, if you can't tell the difference between OC and ACA Zap will eat you alive and you'll be gone in a couple of posts.
ACA law of the land
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Yeah I know he is heavy duty into this shit, fuck I would much rather chat mushrooms but each there own
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sweeper54 said: The problem here is ACA IS THE LAW OF THE LAND and until you become a national party again and not a party of contrived districts of old white guys, you're going to have to live with it.
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And because you're not a national party anymore, all you have left is to hold the country hostage. Which isn't helping your imagine any.
Have a nice day
I'm not a party but the Republicans are very much a national party. You act as if they don't control the House of Representatives and most of the statehouses. As to the stupid THE LAW OF THE LAND whine, THE LAW OF THE LAND can be changed and even a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT can be repealed. Further, if it is THE LAW OF THE LAND how come Obama can decide that several parts of it do not have to be enforced? Congress has the power of the purse, which is also THE LAW OF THE LAND and they can repeal or defund this crap sandwich any time they want to.
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There's about 50 different forums here. I've repeatedly requested that mods move obviously political threads posted in the Pub but for some reason they refuse. I don't get it. The Pub is supposed to be laid back. Politics is never laid back.
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I agree with you on this WTF
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And because you're not a national party anymore, all you have left is to hold the country hostage. Which isn't helping your imagine any.
Have a nice day
Do you mean when you say, 'holding hostage' that the House of Representatives does NOT have the 'right' to control what is paid for and what is not?
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They don't if they are unwilling to put that clean CR to a vote.
What is Bonehner afraid of?
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That's racist.
Correct, it is racist that the pubs have chopped up their states to maximize the disgruntled old white man vote.
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I'm not a party but the Republicans are very much a national party. You act as if they don't control the House of Representatives and most of the statehouses.
Correct again, the HOUSE is all you'll ever have a chance of controlling, (see contrived districts above). Statehouses are not national, they are STATES, national affects all.
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As to the stupid THE LAW OF THE LAND whine, THE LAW OF THE LAND can be changed and even a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT can be repealed.
Correct once again, but when you control only the HOUSE, the Senate and the POTUS can tell you to go fuck yourself.
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Congress has the power of the purse, which is also THE LAW OF THE LAND and they can repeal or defund this crap sandwich any time they want to.
You are good at most this, correct again, but each house congress has but 1/3 or as much as 1/2 that power if they are united, which it is not, (See Senate and POTUS above)
What you got wrong is, they DON'T have the right to hold the country hostage. IF you want a law changed it requires a vote and your party does not have the votes.
ACA LAW OF THE LAND.
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sweeper54 said: They don't if they are unwilling to put that clean CR to a vote.
What is Bonehner afraid of?
You are wrong. They absolutely have the right to fund or not fund whatever program they decide to fund. It's spelled out clearly in the constitution.
It was done this ways so one group of people or political party couldn't ram their agenda down the throats of the minority.
There is a concept called the Tyranny of the Majority--
"The phrase "tyranny of the majority" (or "tyranny of the masses"), used in discussing systems of democracy and majority rule, envisions a scenario in which decisions made by a majority place its interests so far above those of an individual or minority group as to constitute active oppression, comparable to that of tyrants and despots. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority
The US is specifically NOT a democracy for that very reason. that is why there are separate branches of the government--to give checking power to the minority so an overbearing Federal Government can't ram their fucking bullshit agenda down our throats.
By the way, when the democrats controlled the house they also used their power to defund programs they didn't like or want.
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reality_check said: I agree, Obamacare takes money from the young healthy people by making it mandatory to have insurance at a steep price. That money is used to fund the dying baby boomer population that they will loose money on in the long run.
It has become a mandatory tax to steal the wealth from the middle class. All the premiums will go up and if you do not comply the penalties will keep getting worse. They will ask you on your tax return for proof of insurance and if you don't have it they take the money away on the spot.
There is no checks or balances, they answer to no one. Its complete bullshit. just like the two party system. These fools fight with themselves like children in preschool.
Do you really think they have anyone's best intentions in mind but themselves?
I have to bump this post again because it is the best response ive heard out of anyone ive talked to or any talking head on tv. Spot on.
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They absolutely have the right to fund or not fund whatever program they decide to fund. It's spelled out clearly in the constitution.
But the house has to vote for it, then the Senate has to vote for it and the pres sign it. That's how a law is passed/changed.
The House does not have the Constitutional right to say if you don't change some law we are not going to fund the gov. That is NOT what the forefathers had in mind for 'Checks and Balances'.
And furthermore you don't want the House to take those kind of powers. Look where the NSA wiretaps went.
WHERE is the "tyranny of the majority"? A law was passed and your conservative Supreme Court cleared it where's the "tyranny of the majority" ?
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That's racist.
Correct, it is racist that the pubs have chopped up their states to maximize the disgruntled old white man vote.
How is it that someone who thinks they are as smart as you seem to think you are is unaware that both sides gerrymander and have done so for decades?
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They absolutely have the right to fund or not fund whatever program they decide to fund. It's spelled out clearly in the constitution.
But the house has to vote for it, then the Senate has to vote for it and the pres sign it. That's how a law is passed/changed.
The House does not have the Constitutional right to say if you don't change some law we are not going to fund the gov.
Except they do.
You may wish they didn't, yet they do. The same as when Democrats shut-down the government multiple times.
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For what reason should the House be forbidden from amending legislation and the Senate not? The House passed 3 CRs. The first one defunded ACA and got sent back with ACA funding back in. The House accepted that then passed another CR with a delay for the ACA, SOMETHING OBAMA HAS IMPLEMENTED NUMEROUS TIMES HIMSELF IN DEFIANCE OF THE LAW. That didn't get through the Sewnate either. Then the House passed a CR saying that if anybody has to abide by the ACA then everybody does. This is a concept known as "equal protection under the law". I know this is not palatable to liberal fascists who maintain power by granting favors to select cronies.
Reality_check is completely right about who gets screwed the most.
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I don't care how many amendments they add they just have to pass the senate and the pres.
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OBAMA HAS IMPLEMENTED NUMEROUS TIMES HIMSELF IN DEFIANCE OF THE LAW.
Its good to be the King
Be sides what is the role of the POTUS? Implement the laws passed by congress?
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Be sides what is the role of the POTUS? Implement the laws passed by congress?
Domestically that is supposed to be it. He has much more leeway with foreign policy.
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sweeper54 said: I don't care how many amendments they add they just have to pass the senate and the pres.
That's right. And any changes the Senate makes have to be reconciled (i.e. 'passed' as you say) by the House. THEN the President can himself decide whether it becomes law or not. If he doesn't like it he vetoes it.
Even then, a supermajority can overturn the president's veto. It takes a 2/3 supermajority of the House and The Senate to overturn the veto.
You might ask why? " parliamentary procedure requires that any action that may alter the rights of a minority has a supermajority requirement" Again, it is this way in order to prevent 'the tyranny of the majority'
This is the fundamental safeguard for our freedom--the ability of each of the houses and the president to prevent each other from dictitorial type law and rule. And THIS is what it seems like 99% of Americans don't understand about our government.
There is one more check. A law that is passed--let's use a very clear, unambiguous example--for example, if the congress and the president passed a law that said, say, 'All People Caught With Drugs May Be Jailed and Executed Without Trial' Then the courts would come back and check the power of the president and congress by voiding the law.
You see, checks and balances. Rule of Law. Rule of Law doesn't mean that the House can't block funding--but it does mean that the President CANNOT unilaterally take a law and implement the parts of it he wants, and set aside the parts he doesn't want.
Now, if The Left doesn't like the way the constitution works, there is a way they can overrturn it and make new rules, i.e. amend the constitution.
And that is for either a 2/3 super-majority of state legislatures to propose and amend the constitution or 2/3 of the house and senate propose the ammendment, then have 2/3 of the state legislatures ratify the proposed ammendment so it becomes law.
So you see, states have significant power to keep the Federal government in check also.
So what is your problem with this system? You would rather have a dictatorship?
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I don't care how many amendments the House puts on a bill THEY STILL HAVE TO PASS THRU THE DEM SENATE AND THE DEM POTUS.
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I don't care how many amendments the House puts on a bill THEY STILL HAVE TO PASS THRU THE DEM SENATE AND THE DEM POTUS.
KEEP TRYING.
Let me make it a bit clearer for you boy.
I don't care how many times the Senate rejects the House's bill and puts their own language in, THEY STILL HAVE TO SATISFY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
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DUDE the ACA is law and the Senate and POTUS are not going to change it no matter how you play it.
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I don't care how many amendments the House puts on a bill THEY STILL HAVE TO PASS THRU THE DEM SENATE AND THE DEM POTUS.
KEEP TRYING.
I don't care how many amendments the Senate or the POTUS wants it still has to pass through the house. Surrender, Dorothy.
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How come Obama gets to change any part of it he wants? Which he has done repeatedly. How come Reid and Obama don't have to negotiate on the budget. How come when the House sends a bill that says "OK, the ACA gets fully implemented without any of Obama's waivers" it gets shot down by the Senate? They're phonies and so are you.
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Because he's the implementer-in-chief
lil'bush used his signing statements to change the course of laws passed.
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lil'bush used his signing statements to change the course of laws passed.
Deal with it.
Nothing like this. Not even close.
Are you cool with Congress and their staff being exempt from the screwing you're getting? How about being cool with big business being exempt? Where are you on that?
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...and the House is using their constitutionaly derived power to block the ACA no matter how you play it.....
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Not getting a screwing.
Most big businesses already have insurance for there people and I'm am cool with the delay.
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...and the House is using their constitutionaly derived power to block the ACA no matter how you play it.....
Show me where in history this happened before.
And the people will decide again in 2014 who's right.
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Dude a PUB put that amendment in the bill
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Most big businesses already have insurance for there people and I'm am cool with the delay.
So you're OK with favored cronies avoiding the requirements of THE LAW OF THE LAND? How about Congress and staf avoiding THE LAW OF THE LAND? Do you like living under the government thumb of a privileged class?
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Most big businesses already have insurance for there people and I'm am cool with the delay.
I can see, like the government itself, there is gridlock in this discussion. So let's change the metric a bit.
Instead of a 'CR'--a temporary 'fix' for the whores and compulsive spenders who go into withdrawals when a dime is cut in spending--how about the whores and compulsive spenders calculate the estimated revenue for the year, calculate the costs of the programs and prioritize them, then pass a budget that meets these requirements and doesn't require obscene borrowing or printing of money?
It's called a 'budget' or 'living within your means' this is how the Normal Peons who aren't one of the entitled classes and WORKS for their money have to budget their household or business expenses so they can survive. 
Else if you know how to turn common metal into gold, or how to grow money on trees, let me know. I'm listening...
(Now, there is a way to turn a natural resource into gold, but the left doesn't want to hear it)
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Dude a PUB put that amendment in the bill
Who?
The last CR the House passed required Congress and staffers to have to comply the same as everyone else. I don't know what you're talking about but I asked you a direct question. Are you cool with that?
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Most big businesses already have insurance for there people and I'm am cool with the delay.
So you're OK with favored cronies avoiding the requirements of THE LAW OF THE LAND? How about Congress and staf avoiding THE LAW OF THE LAND? Do you like living under the government thumb of a privileged class?
Zap there are SO many other things I want to change about Congress. How they implement they ACA is one of the least of my concerns. I really couldn't care less about it.
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Show me where in history this happened before.
And the people will decide again in 2014 who's right.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3031406/posts the democratic house gutted funding for 'THE LAW OF THE LAND' border fence in 2007.
It's just when a Democratic house exercises this constitutional power, it never makes the news.
And yes, the people will decide again in 2014. I can tell you this, I don't know who will gain power but I can tell you a lot of Incumbents with (D) and (R) in front of their title are going to get a can of pork and beans, have an apple stuck in their mouth, and have their hat handed to them as their ass is shown the door on the way out.
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" The requested document does not exist on this server. "
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/10/02/from-politico-to-hannity-the-trajectory-of-congresss-obamacare-exemption-myth/
Yes they are.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/09/obamacare-employer-contribution-exemption-vitter-amendment
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The Affordable Care Act changed this, requiring members of Congress and their staff to obtain coverage via the the health insurance exchanges created by the law.
Mother Jones is not a right wing site. Obama changed it and gave them an exemption not found in the law. He is not following the LAW OF THE LAND.
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Most big businesses already have insurance for there people and I'm am cool with the delay.
So you're OK with favored cronies avoiding the requirements of THE LAW OF THE LAND? How about Congress and staf avoiding THE LAW OF THE LAND? Do you like living under the government thumb of a privileged class?
Zap there are SO many other things I want to change about Congress. How they implement they ACA is one of the least of my concerns. I really couldn't care less about it.
Then why the fuck have you gone on and on and on about it? I care about it. My insurance is gone, totally, as of 12/31/13 and it had already skyrocketed because of the parts already in effect.
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Nice source.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3031406/posts
copy and paste it into your browser, it won't go through the proxy. the point is, in 2007 the democrat house did exactly the same thing, gutted funding for something--a move totally in their power.
So do you have a problem with the way our constitution works? If so, I've pointed out how to change it.
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It passed 76-17... It isn't one party, it clearly states "We’ve watched Democrats and Republicans undermine the Secure Fence Act repeatedly since it was passed."
If both sides want to defund something, so be it.
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If both sides want to defund something, so be it.
Agreed. And if one side wants to defund something, so be it. But, in reality, there is only one side. It is called 'the two party system'
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Because millions of people want and need it.
If it proves they don't it can die under its weight, but not before it has a chance
I'm in almost the same boat your in Zap. All I have is the VA for insurance.
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If it proves they don't it can die under its weight, but not before it has a chance
It cannot die under it's own weight because it is not a free market product. It is a government imposed requirement. That the government has exempted itself from.Quote:
I'm in almost the same boat your in Zap. All I have is the VA for insurance.
We are not almost in the same boat. First of all my boat cost me tens of thousands of dollars a year. Second of all, it didn't suck.
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OHHH yeah most average people on the street, especially Obama voters are pretty gullible and or ignorant.
Wait a minute really?

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By millions do you mean 2 million? Because the polling says this is overwhelmingly unpopular.
Who's polling?
I don't like it, I want to see Single Payer.
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The policies are with Private Businesses. And yes IF it's a failure in a year or two it will die.
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First of all my boat cost me tens of thousands of dollars a year.
Sound like you could get a pretty good policy with the ACA for that money.
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I don't like it, I want to see Single Payer.
So? You couldn't get that crap sandwich passed. Go for it. That is irrelevant to the ACA, which is widely loathed.Quote:
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Sound like you could get a pretty good policy with the ACA for that money.
I doubt it will be anywhere near as good. Keep in my mind that I get no subsidy. I pay for losers' subsidies. I don't get any. Never did.
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If it proves they don't it can die under its weight, but not before it has a chance
I almost agree with you here. hte law should die under its own weight....and it will falter but......
Consider that lots of people turn on the law and it 'dies' under its own weight.....people say 'Fuck this shit, I'm not paying $xxxx a month for this.....so they don't buy it...and it collapses from a lack of funding. Here are the consequences..
1) there will be an outcry from the left about 'We need money for it......the republicans obstructed it......and there will be a fierce push to butt fuck the public even more with new taxes and fees....
2) What do you think 15,000 new IRS agents are for? To help you file your medical claims? Why are TAX ENFORCERS even involved one single bit with my healthcare?????
3) I read the other day about the delays...one of the delays was 'The Department of Homeland Security hasn't got its computers synched with the healthcare system yet......
OK...the DHS.....what the FUCK do they have to do with it? Are you comfortable with the fucking Jackboot Brownshirt DHS having access to everything about you????
So you see, this is what will happen if it 'dies' under its own weight.
Because, in my opinion--and the opinion of several political scientists--Obamacare isn't about healthcare. It's about a major way for a tryannical, controlling, central authoritarian Federal Government to invade your life and put a studded dog collar around your neck.
The goal is control and subservience of The People--that's the big Federal Cock--and Obamacare is the lubricant to help them ease it in so you don't notice what their real intentions are.
People supporting this socialist takeover of the US government would be well advised to read history. When the big communist revolutions took over China and Russia, i.e. when the communists 'fundamentally changed' the governments of those countries what happened?
Take heed, you who bow at the altar of socialism--the first thing that happened was that the inner party, the controlling authority--purged the unreliable from the system. That is, the Anarchists, dissidents, journalists, teachers, academics, labor union leaders--the ones who put the communists in power--were rounded up and shipped off to labor camps.
So, Sweeper and Mush, I hope you two don't end up on cattle cars someday heading into the countryside..... 
read the Gulag Archipalego to really understand this point.
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"By millions do you mean 2 million? Because the polling says this is overwhelmingly unpopular."

"It cannot die under it's own weight because it is not a free market product. It is a government imposed requirement. That the government has exempted itself from."
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"It cannot die under it's own weight because it is not a free market product. It is a government imposed requirement. That the government has exempted itself from."

Both of those statements are completely correct, Mush4Brains.
http://www.gallup.com/video/163328/americans-disapprove-affordable-care-act.aspx
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Gallup Editor-in-Chief Frank Newport shares that 52% of Americans disapprove of the Affordable Care Act, up slightly from 45% in November 2012.
Social Security is a perfect example of a mess that didn't die under its own weight because it was a government imposed requirement. And it fucking should have. It is a disaster. I can't wait until you start paying for my benefits.
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How many of those Americans would rather there be single-payer coverage instead? You would be surprised how much it skews the results.
Typical anti-government Ayn Rand philosphy.
SOCIAL SECURITY IS THE DEVIL.
I CAN'T WAIT TIL I CAN COLLECT SOCIAL SECURITY

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ACA is based on the HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL "Mittens care" in MASS, people and businesses like it and it works.
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It doesn't matter. What matters is that people do not like this mess. If you can't get single payer passed then you can't get single payer passed. It just goes to show what a piece of shit this bill is. THIS BILL, which is the bill we are talking about.Quote:
Typical anti-government Ayn Rand philosphy.
SOCIAL SECURITY IS THE DEVIL.
I CAN'T WAIT TIL I CAN COLLECT SOCIAL SECURITY.

Why don't you stand up for your beliefs and not collect, Zap?
Because I was not allowed to stand up for my beliefs and not pay. I still got fucked. Ten years ago I would have been willing to eschew all benefits if they would just stop making me pay. They didn't. You're gonna get fucked.
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ACA is based on the HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL "Mittens care" in MASS, people and businesses like it and it works.
No they don't and Massachusetts is a commie state. Why should Kansas have to have this if they don't want it. That is why we have states. So that they can govern themselves regarding shit like this. This is a massive intrusion on states' rights. And you know what? Some states are saying, "fuck you we aren't cooperating". What now, bitches?
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What don't you fucking get about this?
From your link
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Provide coverage that is at least as comprehensive as the coverage offered through Exchanges – a new competitive, private health insurance marketplace. Make coverage at least as affordable as it would have been through the Exchanges. Provide coverage to at least as many residents as the Affordable Care Act would have provided. Do not increase the Federal deficit.
Point of a gun.
Really, it is time for you to slink off in disgrace. You are not just embarrassing yourself but at this point you are embarrassing the entire forum.
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What the fuck are you talking about?
If states can do it cheaper and better, then they will be allowed to. What seems to be the problem?
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As long as they exceed the requirements of BumCare they can do what they want. What if they want to do less than BumCare? Point of a gun.
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I fail to see the issue here. It sounds like you want poor people to be bankrupt by healthcare costs to me. What the fuck is your problem?
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We had a perfectly adequate program for poor people that this does not improve. I paid almost 5% of my income to fund it every year.
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The working poor don't necessarily qualify for Medicaid, and are the most vulnerable to going bankrupt due to medical costs.
If you don't like government and social services, I hear Somalia is a pretty nice place.
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If you don't like government and social services, I hear Somalia is a pretty nice place.
Another ridiculous distraction. Whenever these commies get caught with their Kollectivist pants down they accuse us of being anarchists. There are legitimate functions of government. Usurping the health insurance choices of the entire population is not a legitimate function of the federal government.
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We had a perfectly adequate program for poor people that this does not improve. I paid almost 5% of my income to fund it every year.
That's why we have so many people w/o insurance, people are denied coverage, dropped policies, people who lost everything because they got sick.
And on top of that I bet you call yourself a fuck'n Christian.
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We had a perfectly adequate program for poor people that this does not improve. I paid almost 5% of my income to fund it every year.
That's why we have so many people w/o insurance, people are denied coverage, dropped policies, people who lost everything because they got sick.
I lost my policy because of Bumcare. They didn't drop me through three cancers but now it's gone because of government. Gone as of 12/31/13.Quote:
And on top of that I bet you call yourself a fuck'n Christian.
I'm an atheist but you got a beef with Christians? Bigot?Quote:
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Mush4Brains said: The working poor don't necessarily qualify for Medicaid, and are the most vulnerable to going bankrupt due to medical costs.
Your argument is specious, to say the least, you realize that? Think of this: If the work poor don't qualify, and they don't have the money to pay for medical care, they can't go bankrupt because they DON'T OWN or HAVE ANY ASSETS.
Who goes bankrupt from medical expaneses is middle.upper/middle class who have assets and money, if they don't have adequate coverage. NOT the poor.
The reason is, if a person has little or no money or assets, it costs more money to sue them in court than they will get back from the poor person.
Now, come on Mush, join the team, line up for the big win. I know you are well intentioned, and want to help the poor but listen, and listen very carefully:
THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. Don't buy their fucking bullshit that they can do it better and stick a golden tit in your mouth and you don't have to worry about anything.
The Golden Teat the government sticks in your mouth turns out in the end to be a rusty dog chain to keep you under control.
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Obamacare is a scam to benefit the insurance industry plain and simple. Even if your for universal healthcare it's a very corrupt way of approaching it.
Government programs never fail and are removed. They continue regardless of how horrible they are. I don't entirely agree with the republicans approach at removing it and think it will likely backfire but I don't understand how anyone can support the ACA unless they've been reading way to many articles on huffingtonpost.
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The PPACA was the comprimise to the Right over universal coverage. We wanted single-payer. We got Obamacare instead.
Why is now the defunding of Obamacare step one in negotiations again? How far does the Left have to bend in order to appease the right-wing radical Tea party?
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Yup universal health care is what we wanted but the dems compromised for the want of bipartisan support look where that got us.
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I'm an atheist but you got a beef with Christians? Bigot?
Sure, I hate right wing Christians that profess and quote the teachings of Jesus yet could care less about the poor in this country.
And I think its fitting that the people of the 'Religious Red South' are the poorest, fattiest, stupidest, and have worst healthcare in this country which makes them almost a third world country.
Keep'm Dumb, Fat, and Poor, but feed the religion.
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cc1 said: Yup universal health care is what we wanted but the dems compromised for the want of bipartisan support look where that got us.
The Dems never wanted universal health care, who do you think wrote Obama Care? The health care lobbyists!!
Obama Care is the corporate takeover of health care, both parties are in on it, universal care would have been the solution, but that means non-profit.
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Yes universal health care would be great but the pubs will never let it happen. Both Parties are corrupt but if we had a pub in there I do beleive we would be in a way worse situation then we are now! That being said though things are pretty shitty everywhere right now. I really don't beleive we live in a FREE country but then again I wouldn't want to be anywhere else except maybe Canada but its to fucking cold up there!
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qman and cc1 where do you think universal HC came from?
The healthcare lobbyists!!
Yes but it was written for the PUBS in the '90s
It was the pubs answer to Hillary Care.
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The healthcare lobbyists!!
Yes but it was written for the PUBS in the '90s
It was the pubs answer to Hillary Care.
What "universal HC"?
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Well yins (lol) def. know more bout this than I do if that is truly the case I was in high school in the 90s and coluld have gave a fuck about much more than where my next batch of pot, mushrooms, or LSD was coming from! Man I wish that's all I had to worry bout these days!
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In any case, it is the law, and it's going to stay the law for the foreseeable future. It has the support of the people, and it's not going to be repealed.
We might as well see how well it works/fails before we start with the "I told you so"
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According to Zap it doesn't have the support of the people . That is until you start asking people whether they would rather have the PPACA or the system we had before, then the polls start showing more support.
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Mush4Brains said: The PPACA was the comprimise to the Right over universal coverage. We wanted single-payer. We got Obamacare instead.
Complete bullshit lie. Not one Republican voted for it. There was no compromise. The Dem Party knew they would get slaughtered at the next election if they voted for single payer. You and your radical fellow travelers want even more BumCare but the American people, as a whole, do not support your titty sucking crap.
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The bill then passed by a vote of 60–39 on December 24, 2009, with all Democrats and two independents voting for, and all Republicans voting against ...........................
The House passed the Senate bill with a 219–212 vote on March 21, 2010, with 34 Democrats and all 178 Republicans voting against it.
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Why is now the defunding of Obamacare step one in negotiations again?
At what point will you actually follow the news of the world? The House has since passed two bills that do not defund the shit sandwich. They passed one to delay it, as Obama has done several times for his cronies but not for shmucks, and another one that says to follow the law as written with no imperial waivers.Quote:
How far does the Left have to bend in order to appease the right-wing radical Tea party?
What bend?
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cc1 said: Yup universal health care is what we wanted but the dems compromised for the want of bipartisan support look where that got us.
There was not one Republican who supported this supposed compromise. Not one. Is that what you think compromise means? There was no bipartisan support. You lie as much as the Sweeper.
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cc1 said: Yup universal health care is what we wanted but the dems compromised for the want of bipartisan support look where that got us.
The Dems never wanted universal health care, who do you think wrote Obama Care? The health care lobbyists!!
Obama Care is the corporate takeover of health care, both parties are in on it, universal care would have been the solution, but that means non-profit.
Didn't corporations already control it?
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zappaisgod said: Complete bullshit lie. Not one Republican voted for it.
False, Anh Cao voted for it in the house.
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There was no compromise

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The House has since passed two bills that do not defund the shit sandwich.
No, only impede its implementation. Why is chipping away at (or complete defunding of) the PPACA the starting point? It's done. It's law. Let it go.
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There was not one Republican who supported this supposed compromise.
If McCain/"Russia from her house" Palin were elected, this was going to be their proposal. The "free market" solution to Universal coverage.
The conservatives are just mad that Obama ran (and won) as a Democrat but is a center-right corporatist, and enacted the policies they wanted.
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zappaisgod said: Didn't corporations already control it?
Unfettered control where they could take half your premium money for administrative costs and then drop you once you got sick.
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Enlil said: Zappaisgod's judgment is clouded by his own irrational loyalty to his party.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/30/new-poll-only-one-third-of-americans-support-repealing-defunding-or-delaying-obamacare/
That article is a week old.
I don't have a party. From your link
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Among employed adults, 55 percent say they would consider looking for another job if their employer shifted their health coverage to the health insurance exchange
Oh yeah, they fucking love it.
So I went looking around because I have seen quite a few polls that contradict that and found another one from the Morning Consult
http://www.scribd.com/doc/156907327/TMC-Tracking-Poll-July-2013-Topline-Results-Final
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Democrats n=885. Independents n=546. Republicans n=549
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zappaisgod said: Complete bullshit lie. Not one Republican voted for it.
False, Anh Cao voted for it in the house.
You calling wikipedia a liar? Those quotes were from the wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act
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No, I think Wikipedia is the be-all, end-all of accuracy:
"After President Obama called him the day of the vote, Cao was the sole Republican to vote for the Democrats' health-care reform bill in November 2009"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahn_Cao
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There was no compromise

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The House has since passed two bills that do not defund the shit sandwich.
No, only impede its implementation. Why is chipping away at (or complete defunding of) the PPACA the starting point? It's done. It's law. Let it go.
Which Obama himself has done by fiat numerous times. By the way, is that your stance on drug prohibition? It is the law so it will always be the law? Let it go? Quote:
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There was not one Republican who supported this supposed compromise.
If McCain/"Russia from her house" Palin were elected, this was going to be their proposal. The "free market" solution to Universal coverage.
Palin didn't say that. Tina Fey did. Universal coverage is bullshit. Do you not realize that unless you are a useless titty sucking bum the people who are going to get fucked the most by this are young healthy males? Which are you?Quote:
The conservatives are just mad that Obama ran (and won) as a Democrat but is a center-right corporatist, and enacted the policies they wanted.
Obama ran to the middle and made an immediate sharp turn leftward. He was against gay marriage before he was for it. He had no interest in gun control until he did.Quote:
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zappaisgod said: Didn't corporations already control it?
Unfettered control where they could take half your premium money for administrative costs and then drop you once you got sick.

Another lie. Would you please provide a link to support your assertion that half of premiums paid went to administration costs and also show how that will change under BumCare? Thanks in advance. Nothing says unfettered control like government control
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"After President Obama called him the day of the vote, Cao was the sole Republican to vote for the Democrats' health-care reform bill in November 2009"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahn_Cao
I believe you. Wiki shit the bed on that one. Which, like I said, is irrelevant to the idiotic assertion that there was ever anything in BumCare that was either a compromise or a sop to the right. One term bitch.
This is interesting:
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the first and thus far only Republican from his New Orleans-based district since
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Which Obama himself has done by fiat numerous times. By the way, is that your stance on drug prohibition? It is the law so it will always be the law? Let it go?
No, my opinion is to change the laws via the democratic process. Non-sequitur.
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Palin didn't say that.
Yeah, and the bullshit you spew that people didn't say/don't believe doesn't stop you.
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Which are you?
Yep, covered by my government worker parents' insurance for another two years 
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Obama ran to the middle and made an immediate sharp turn leftward.
No, he ran left of Hilary, and then went to the middle.
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half of premiums paid
Hyperbole. You seem to use it all the time, why can't I?
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how that will change under BumCare
http://obamacarewatcher.org/topic/medical-loss-ratios
If the insurance companies weren't taking your premium money for administrative costs, people wouldn't have recieved rebate checks.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamacare-health-insurance-rebates-check/story?id=19701785
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Which Obama himself has done by fiat numerous times. By the way, is that your stance on drug prohibition? It is the law so it will always be the law? Let it go?
No, my opinion is to change the laws via the democratic process. Non-sequitur.
I do believe the House is following the proper democratic process.Quote:
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Palin didn't say that.
Yeah, and the bullshit you spew that people didn't say/don't believe doesn't stop you.
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Yep, covered by my government worker parents' insurance for another two years 
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No, he ran left of Hilary, and then went to the middle.
He ran to the middle in the general election and then took a hard turn left. Him vs Hillary? So what?Quote:
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half of premiums paid
Hyperbole. You seem to use it all the time, why can't I?
Example?Quote:
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how that will change under BumCare
http://obamacarewatcher.org/topic/medical-loss-ratios
If the insurance companies weren't taking your premium money for administrative costs, people wouldn't have recieved rebate checks.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamacare-health-insurance-rebates-check/story?id=19701785
Yeah, so? Do you not realize that there is now an entirely new level of administrative expense? It probably cost more tax dollars to determine who was undercontributing than the amount that will be disbursed in reparations.
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So you will not be covered by obamacare?
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He HAS to get coverage under the ACA or pay a fine.
Sorry forgot the
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If I said anything I want to about Zap, I would get banned, but he can say anything he wants and say "I deliberately misspelled that 'cause I think you both swallow dick taters" and Phred doesn't mind because Phred aligns with Zap's shitty political view. I got banned for calling someone a clown, but Zap can get away with saying somebody swallows "dick taters." Yeah, Phred is a fucking stooge of a mod who should be relieved of his power.
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Yeah that's what I thought so what is his problem with it
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cc1 said: Yup universal health care is what we wanted but the dems compromised for the want of bipartisan support look where that got us.
The Dems never wanted universal health care, who do you think wrote Obama Care? The health care lobbyists!!
Obama Care is the corporate takeover of health care, both parties are in on it, universal care would have been the solution, but that means non-profit.
Didn't corporations already control it?
Not enough apparently, there are over 50-60 million citizens not paying into the system, that is going to change.
Check out the action in most of the health care stocks, they have been soaring since the beginning of the year, investors anticipate huge profit growth from the "socialist/non-profit" Obama Care program, much more than they have had in the past.
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I doubt most of those people are going to be paying into the system. They are going to get the taxpayer to pay into the system for them. Either you pay a government to do it or you pay an insurance company. I'd prefer the insurance company. You can sue them.
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Me? Not unless there is no alternative left at all, although I believe that is Obama's goal. I did just get a letter from Nippon Life, my health insurance carrier.
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Please be advised (that long company name) intends not to market, issue or renew small group major medical insurance in New York after December 31, 2013
My health insurance is gone as of the end of the year. This is the third time in the last 3 years that I have had to find a new insurer because they dropped an entire class, not me specifically. Now I'm going to have ask my doctor, ONCE AGAIN, what policies he accepts and then shop among them. Obama lied. (Why do I even bother typing that? Everything out of the cocksucking piece of shit's mouth is bullshit)
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You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Here are some undeniable facts about Obama and the Affordable Care Act:
1. Obama is a genius. 2. The Affordable Care Act is a flawless piece of legislation that will forever rid the nation of illness. 3. Anyone who doesn't support Obama or the Affordable Care Act is a racist.
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Enlil said: You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Here are some undeniable facts about Obama and the Affordable Care Act:
1. Obama is a genius. 2. The Affordable Care Act is a flawless piece of legislation that will forever rid the nation of illness. 3. Anyone who doesn't support Obama or the Affordable Care Act is a racist.
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A personalism is directed towards specific persons, not generalizations.
Example of personalism:
X is an idiot.
Example of generalization:
Whoever find X smart is an idiot.
Maybe you should understand words and definitions before using them?
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You're both wrong, of course. Here is the definition of personalism:
1. a modern philosophical movement locating ultimate value and reality in persons, human or divine. 2. Psychology . an approach stressing individual personality as the central concern of psychology.
I don't know where the shroomery definition came from, but I've never heard it used that way other than on this site.
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Enlil said: You're both wrong, of course. Here is the definition of personalism:
1. a modern philosophical movement locating ultimate value and reality in persons, human or divine. 2. Psychology . an approach stressing individual personality as the central concern of psychology.
I don't know where the shroomery definition came from, but I've never heard it used that way other than on this site.
It has its own Shroomery etymology. For a complete explanation PM Icelander
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liquid lounge made a far better case than you did. At least he put in the effort to do more than cite the common 'tard dictionaries.
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Making up definitions isn't making a case...except a case that one is not very bright.
Any dictionary you consult will have the same or similar definitions. NONE will have one that resembles liquid lounge's or would support your use of the word.
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Here it goes, the ACA will live untouched in the budget talks and the debt limit will be increased.
How? you ask, the fuck'n piece of shit Koch bros want it that way, and have sent out a letter saying so.
So Zap, are you now going to sign up for the ACA Gold plan?
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Gold? Hell no. Platinum at least. If my doctor takes it.
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Participation is mandatory, but he criticizes his detractors for being coercive.
He says he wants to put non essential employees back to work. This should speak for itself, but I will repeat it for the sake of emphasis. Non essential.
They could have no job, under a free market, in which case, all "essential" goods and services would be provided according to the rules of supply and demand, rather than being subsidized by wealth, expropriated and redistributed at gunpoint.
Had enough tea? Who is forcing you to buy it, when and where?
If I cannot afford a treatment, I never especially expected to be covered at public expense. I do not assume that I am under a Marxist, equal liability of all to labor.
What do I owe anyone, and what am I demanding from other people.
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I would expect most people here to be in favor of drug legalization, I mean, for everything -- no mater how hard.
How is this supposed to be possible, when they put restrictions on a silly soda pop?
You'll be lucky if they don't ration food and leisure time, both of which have a bearing on health, so will technically be a public liability.
You go to jail if you don't participate, but you think participation will only mean a nudge.
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I don't understand why you have such a big prob. With this after you have been dropped from so many insurers? I don't agree with you at all on this topic but wtf I also don't want you to die of a possibly treatable cancer that you will be covered under obamacare? What is the deal fellow shroomerite? And telling people they swallow dick taters wtf?
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I think I am almost the only one
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cc1 said: I don't understand why you have such a big prob. With this after you have been dropped from so many insurers? I don't agree with you at all on this topic but wtf I also don't want you to die of a possibly treatable cancer that you will be covered under obamacare? What is the deal fellow shroomerite? And telling people they swallow dick taters wtf?
Obama is a dick tater and some people swallow everything Obama whole.
I was dropped because of Obamacare. They didn't drop me. They dropped the entire class of coverage. Until it passed I had the same insurance through three cancers, two expensive, potentially fatal ones. I also don't want the government anywhere near my medical records or making medical decisions about me.
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I've walked to some pretty out-of-the-way places, in desert and tundra and in caves. I've been covered with water, so deep, that I didn't know which end is up. I have learned to dig wells and protected myself, when the odds were against me.
I have tried some unusual things and commented at the Shroomery.
It had occurred to me that, if I was in any way incapacitated, noone would be there to help. Noone particularly cared, and I made peace with that.
I respect voluntary charity, and encourage people to give to a worthwhile cause. But, involuntary charity is in the same category as a mugging.
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I've walked to some pretty out-of-the-way places, in desert and tundra and in caves. I've been covered with water, so deep, that I didn't know which end is up. I have learned to dig wells and protected myself, when the odds were against me.
I have tried some unusual things and commented at the Shroomery.
It had occurred to me that, if I was in any way incapacitated, noone would be there to help. Noone particularly cared, and I made peace with that.
I respect voluntary charity, and encourage people to give to a worthwhile cause. But, involuntary charity is in the same category as a mugging.
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You guys need to look at the bright side of the ACA. If you 1) Do not qualify for a government subsidy 2) Are a working person in the middle class 3) and you make sufficient income to live from paycheck to paycheck 4) are not a member of a protected class--a union, group, organization, or government employee who is exempt from the ACA,
You have the honor of paying for the insurance yourself, and your taxes pay the insurance for the Elite classes and the poor.
In that case, under the ACA, your insurance provider that you pick must supply you with a gallon jar of KY-jelly.
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Ironically, the blue collars and dependents are taught to say that they are the middle class, which is not the classical definition.
White collar execs, entrepreneurs, and the independently-wealthy are middle class.
You are not upper class, unless you are royalty or can afford to peddle influence.
The class warfare narrative says the self-sufficient are aggressors and deserve to be expropriated -- by force, if necessary.
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The class warfare narrative says the self-sufficient are aggressors and deserve to be expropriated -- by force, if necessary.
That's because the people that wrote the class warfare narrative are commie assholes.
I think you must be familiar with the environment to survive....I have lived for sometime in the desert of new mexico. I know what to eat, where to get water, and what the plants can be used for. I'm pretty cozy in the mountains there too, except its tough in winter when its really cold.
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I don't agree with you on a lot on this topic but I do agree with you about having to know about the environment to survive, if what the two of you have said is true about living in caves and shit I respect that shit you 2 must be some bad mofos! I have never done anything like that but if it came down to it I could survive better than most being a nature lover and reading books on survival, most city dwellers, which I am, would shit there pants in the woods for 1 night. I rather enjoyed the one night I got lost on a 4wheel ride, but then again I knew just to play it cool stay put and move in the morning which I did and came out better from the experience!
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durian_2008 said: Ironically, the blue collars and dependents are taught to say that they are the middle class, which is not the classical definition.
White collar execs, entrepreneurs, and the independently-wealthy are middle class.
You are not upper class, unless you are royalty or can afford to peddle influence.
The class warfare narrative says the self-sufficient are aggressors and deserve to be expropriated -- by force, if necessary.
I have to disagree. In the current economy where trades are looked down upon to some extent compared to jobs requiring college there are many blue collar workers that are middle class. I have friends making 50k+ a year as blue collar workers. The idea that you have to go to college to be successful has caused some increased demand for young people interested in trades. Working with your hands is somehow less important even though many of those jobs extremely highly paid, look at lineman, underwater welders which is one of the highest paying jobs and many more.
A good friend of mine makes 100K+ a year as a lineman which is a blue collar job. That's upper middle class. The thing is when it comes to making money in labor jobs is you have to be willing to do some of the harder jobs. Blue collar is a very wide spectrum.
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Class differences are not strictly a matter of income, but also result from the amount of responsibility a person is given.
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Of which I am aware, ACA would fine charitable hospitals $50,000, which treat people for free.
This administration shut down soup kitchens, for not posting the RDA's -- a possible, medical concern.
Balls and games, which put school children on their feet, were forbidden from entire school districts, because people could get hurt.
In this thought experiment, collegians say they are willing to wear walking helmets, to get a reduction on their premium: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8cBn7ok8pCw (Not an endorsement. For consideration, only.)
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I think you must be familiar with the environment to survive....I have lived for sometime in the desert of new mexico. I know what to eat, where to get water, and what the plants can be used for. I'm pretty cozy in the mountains there too, except its tough in winter when its really cold.
But, I was also referring to the financially self sufficient.
These gullible people are going to think you're the thief and all-around bad guy, while they imprison you and take your things.
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"After President Obama called him the day of the vote, Cao was the sole Republican to vote for the Democrats' health-care reform bill in November 2009"
That was a draft version. The final version - the one that is the "law of the land" was voted on in March of 2010. Cao voted against it then, as did all other congressional Republicans.
The Patient Affordable Care Act became law without a single Republican vote.
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He was for it before he was against it.
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Which only goes to show how useless the republicans in Congress were in 2010.
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Which only goes to show how useless the republicans in Congress were in 2010.
Useless? More like powerless.
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The two are indistinguishable in the context of Congress.
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Enlil said: The two are indistinguishable in the context of Congress.
I disagree. They can raise a mighty wind and rouse the rabble to vote out the scum. There are elections every two years. Shit changes all the time
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That's true. I'm not holding my breath waiting for this mighty wind, though.
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