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Re: Obamacare [Re: sweeper54]
    #18940506 - 10/06/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Show me where in history this happened before.

And the people will decide again in 2014 who's right.




http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3031406/posts ; the democratic house gutted funding for 'THE LAW OF THE LAND' border fence in 2007. 

It's just when a Democratic house exercises this constitutional power, it never makes the news.

And yes, the people will decide again in 2014.  I can tell you this, I don't know who will gain power but I can tell you a lot of Incumbents with (D) and (R) in front of their title are going to get a can of pork and beans, have an apple stuck in their mouth, and have their hat handed to them as their ass is shown the door on the way out.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18940510 - 10/06/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

" The requested document does not exist on this server. "

Nice source.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #18940543 - 10/06/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Congress isn't exempt from shit.  Stop picking up on right-wing hate blog talking points Zap.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/10/02/from-politico-to-hannity-the-trajectory-of-congresss-obamacare-exemption-myth/



Yes they are.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/09/obamacare-employer-contribution-exemption-vitter-amendment

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The Affordable Care Act changed this, requiring members of Congress and their staff to obtain coverage via the the health insurance exchanges created by the law.




Mother Jones is not a right wing site.  Obama changed it and gave them an exemption not found in the law.  He is not following the LAW OF THE LAND.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: sweeper54]
    #18940554 - 10/06/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Not getting a screwing.




Are you a healthy young male?  Or any healthy young person?  You are getting fucked.
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Most big businesses already have insurance for there people and I'm am cool with the delay.




So you're OK with favored cronies avoiding the requirements of THE LAW OF THE LAND?  How about Congress and staf  avoiding THE LAW OF THE LAND?  Do you like living under the government thumb of a privileged class?





Zap there are SO many other things I want to change about Congress. How they implement they ACA is one of the least of my concerns. I really couldn't care less about it.



Then why the fuck have you gone on and on and on about it?  I care about it.  My insurance is gone, totally, as of 12/31/13 and it had already skyrocketed because of the parts already in effect.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18940586 - 10/06/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I only said I don't care about congress. I want the ACA for individuals to be in affect.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #18940613 - 10/06/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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" The requested document does not exist on this server. "

Nice source.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3031406/posts

copy and paste it into your browser, it won't go through the proxy.  the point is, in 2007 the democrat house did exactly the same thing, gutted funding for something--a move totally in their power.

So do you have a problem with the way our constitution works?  If so, I've pointed out how to change it.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18940655 - 10/06/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It passed 76-17... It isn't one party, it clearly states "We’ve watched Democrats and Republicans undermine the Secure Fence Act repeatedly since it was passed."

If both sides want to defund something, so be it.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18940670 - 10/06/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It passed 76-17... It isn't one party, it clearly states "We’ve watched Democrats and Republicans undermine the Secure Fence Act repeatedly since it was passed."

If both sides want to defund something, so be it.




Agreed.  And if one side wants to defund something, so be it.  But, in reality, there is only one side.  It is called 'the two party system'


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Re: Obamacare [Re: sweeper54]
    #18940690 - 10/06/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I only said I don't care about congress. I want the ACA for individuals to be in affect.




Why?


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Re: Obamacare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18940735 - 10/06/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Because millions of people want and need it.

If it proves they don't it can die under its weight, but not before it has a chance

I'm in almost the same boat your in Zap. All I have is the VA for insurance.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: sweeper54]
    #18940838 - 10/06/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Because millions of people want and need it.




By millions do you mean 2 million?  Because the polling says this is overwhelmingly unpopular.
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If it proves they don't it can die under its weight, but not before it has a chance




It cannot die under it's own weight because it is not a free market product.  It is a government imposed requirement.  That the government has exempted itself from.
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I'm in almost the same boat your in Zap. All I have is the VA for insurance.




We are not almost in the same boat.  First of all my boat cost me tens of thousands of dollars a year.  Second of all, it didn't suck.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: B_BOY]
    #18940902 - 10/06/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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LOL You are correct B_boy Political discussion almost always seems to start hard feelings towards others that's why I threw this one out there(I am involved in politics, but that's not why I'm on here but it never hurts to get into civil discussions about it but they hardly ever turn out to be civil dis.). Can't get much past my fellow shroomerites! Jimmy Kimmel was the one who started that one and you would not believe the amount of people that said oh the ahca by far! Wait a minute yes u would.



OHHH :lol: yeah most average people on the street, especially Obama voters are pretty gullible and or ignorant.




Wait a minute really?

:flowstone:

I thought they were extremely well educated intelligent people


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Re: Obamacare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18940906 - 10/06/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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By millions do you mean 2 million?  Because the polling says this is overwhelmingly unpopular.




Who's polling?

I don't like it, I want to see Single Payer.

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It cannot die under it's own weight because it is not a free market product.  It is a government imposed requirement.





The policies are with Private Businesses. And yes IF it's a failure in a year or two it will die.


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First of all my boat cost me tens of thousands of dollars a year.




Sound like you could get a pretty good policy with the ACA for that money.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: sweeper54]
    #18941014 - 10/06/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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By millions do you mean 2 million?  Because the polling says this is overwhelmingly unpopular.




Who's polling?

I don't like it, I want to see Single Payer.




So?  You couldn't get that crap sandwich passed.  Go for it.  That is irrelevant to the ACA, which is widely loathed.
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It cannot die under it's own weight because it is not a free market product.  It is a government imposed requirement.





The policies are with Private Businesses. And yes IF it's a failure in a year or two it will die.




It won't die.  It will have to be actively killed
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First of all my boat cost me tens of thousands of dollars a year.




Sound like you could get a pretty good policy with the ACA for that money.




I doubt it will be anywhere near as good.  Keep in my mind that I get no subsidy.  I pay for losers' subsidies.  I don't get any.  Never did.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: sweeper54] * 1
    #18942065 - 10/06/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Because millions of people want and need it.

If it proves they don't it can die under its weight, but not before it has a chance







I almost agree with you here.  hte law should die under its own weight....and it will falter but......


Consider that lots of people turn on the law and it 'dies' under its own weight.....people say 'Fuck this shit, I'm not paying $xxxx a month for this.....so they don't buy it...and it collapses from a lack of funding.  Here are the consequences..

1) there will be an outcry from the left about 'We need money for it......the republicans obstructed it......and there will be a fierce push to butt fuck the public even more with new taxes and fees....

2) What do you think 15,000 new IRS agents are for?  To help you file your medical claims?  Why are TAX ENFORCERS even involved one single bit with my healthcare?????

3) I read the other day about the delays...one of the delays was 'The Department of Homeland Security hasn't got its computers synched with the healthcare system yet......

OK...the DHS.....what the FUCK do they have to do with it?  Are you comfortable with the fucking Jackboot Brownshirt DHS having access to everything about you????

So you see, this is what will happen if it 'dies' under its own weight.

Because, in my opinion--and the opinion of several political scientists--Obamacare isn't about healthcare.  It's about a major way for a tryannical, controlling, central authoritarian Federal Government to invade your life and put a studded dog collar around your neck. 

The goal is control and subservience of The People--that's the big Federal Cock--and Obamacare is the lubricant to help them ease it in so you don't notice what their real intentions are. 

People supporting this socialist takeover of the US government would be well advised to read history.  When the big communist revolutions took over China and Russia, i.e. when the communists 'fundamentally changed' the governments of those countries what happened?

Take heed, you who bow at the altar of socialism--the first thing that happened was that the inner party, the controlling authority--purged the unreliable from the system.  That is, the Anarchists, dissidents, journalists, teachers, academics, labor union leaders--the ones who put the communists in power--were rounded up and shipped off to labor camps. 

So, Sweeper and Mush, I hope you two don't end up on cattle cars someday heading into the countryside..... :smirk:

read the Gulag Archipalego to really understand this point.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18942456 - 10/06/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"By millions do you mean 2 million?  Because the polling says this is overwhelmingly unpopular."

:lolsy:

"It cannot die under it's own weight because it is not a free market product.  It is a government imposed requirement.  That the government has exempted itself from."

:lolsy:


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18945427 - 10/07/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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"By millions do you mean 2 million?  Because the polling says this is overwhelmingly unpopular."

:lolsy:

"It cannot die under it's own weight because it is not a free market product.  It is a government imposed requirement.  That the government has exempted itself from."

:lolsy:



Both of those statements are completely correct, Mush4Brains.

http://www.gallup.com/video/163328/americans-disapprove-affordable-care-act.aspx

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Gallup Editor-in-Chief Frank Newport shares that 52% of Americans disapprove of the Affordable Care Act, up slightly from 45% in November 2012.



Social Security is a perfect example of a mess that didn't die under its own weight because it was a government imposed requirement.  And it fucking should have.  It is a disaster.  I can't wait until you start paying for my benefits. 
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Re: Obamacare [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18945463 - 10/07/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How many of those Americans would rather there be single-payer coverage instead?  You would be surprised how much it skews the results.

Typical anti-government Ayn Rand philosphy. 

SOCIAL SECURITY IS THE DEVIL.

I CAN'T WAIT TIL I CAN COLLECT SOCIAL SECURITY

:lolsy:

Why don't you stand up for your beliefs and not collect, Zap? 



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Re: Obamacare [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18945487 - 10/07/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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How many of those Americans would rather there be single-payer coverage instead?  You would be surprised how much it skews the results.





ACA is based on the HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL "Mittens care" in MASS, people and businesses like it and it works.


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Re: Obamacare [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18945567 - 10/07/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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How many of those Americans would rather there be single-payer coverage instead?  You would be surprised how much it skews the results.




It doesn't matter.  What matters is that people do not like this mess.  If you can't get single payer passed then you can't get single payer passed.  It just goes to show what a piece of shit this bill is.  THIS BILL, which is the bill we are talking about.
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Typical anti-government Ayn Rand philosphy. 

SOCIAL SECURITY IS THE DEVIL.

I CAN'T WAIT TIL I CAN COLLECT SOCIAL SECURITY.

:lolsy:

Why don't you stand up for your beliefs and not collect, Zap? 







Because I was not allowed to stand up for my beliefs and not pay.  I still got fucked.  Ten years ago I would have been willing to eschew all benefits if they would just stop making me pay.  They didn't.  You're gonna get fucked.


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