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luvdemshrooms said: What percentage was their profit margin?
About 5%. But those two numbers I posted were net profits.
5% is not excessive.
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And I never claimed that it was, but insurance companies certainly do "rake in millions."
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So what? Insurance companies are businesses. As long as they run their business in a legal manner they are free to take every dollar people wish to give them for their services.
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Go back and look at what I made my original post in response too. Zappa responded to the OP who claimed that insurance companies "rake in millions." Zappa said that their profit margins "aren't that big." Their profit margins are certainly more than millions, that's the only claim I'm making.
I haven't made any claims about whether or not they should be earning that much, the validity of their business, or what I think about any of it.
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zappa's comment that their profits are not that high is quite accurate. While yours is as well, it doesn't matter whether they profit millions or billions as long as they do so legally.
Profit margins are measured in percentages. If that translates to billions, so be it.
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"That" in the way you just used it, is relative. Because of that, I read zappa's comment with the "that" referring to the millions, and that is what I was responding to.
For the record, I don't care what the insurance companies are earning. They are obviously providing a valuable service that people want and are willing to pay for. And I don't think their profit margin is excessive (at least of the two companies I posted. I don't know about others).
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That's better the Democratic Party not democrats see we can agree to disagree! Yes this country is in terrible shape right now I would say we are not just in a depression, but this is of great importance, I would have to say we are nearing a Great Depression. Oh yeah sure unemployment is getting better because people are having to go to work making poverty wages and this time its not just blue collar but across the board,but this is not all the democratic parties fault, big companies have too much power Wal-Mart for example. Move into small towns of America and because they are so rich and powerful they can sell things below cost, they do this at first and educate there employees on how to enroll in Medicare and welfare, then when mom and pop stores have to shut down because they can't sell things below what they bought them for they dont have the cash to do so, wal mart turns around and jacks the prices up and the money goes into the pockets of the Walton family and there cronies, not the town that gave them government subsidies to move in there in the first place, and this is something that can be seen all over small town America, decimating the town cause where are you going to shop or even work at you no have much of a choice! I do agree SOMETHING has got to give my fellow shroomerites!
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cc1 said: That's better the Democratic Party not democrats
Democrats and their supporters are the Democratic party. One in the same, no separation. They have a disgusting past, disgusting present stance, and have seen nothing changing anytime soon
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Democratic Senator Robert Byrd said: "Rather I should die a thousand times,and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again,than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels,a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."
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cc1 said: Yes this country is in terrible shape right now I would say we are not just in a depression, but this is of great importance, I would have to say we are nearing a Great Depression. Oh yeah sure unemployment is getting better because people are having to go to work making poverty wages and this time its not just blue collar but across the board,but this is not all the democratic parties fault, big companies have too much power Wal-Mart for example. Move into small towns of America and because they are so rich and powerful they can sell things below cost, they do this at first and educate there employees on how to enroll in Medicare and welfare, then when mom and pop stores have to shut down because they can't sell things below what they bought them for they dont have the cash to do so, wal mart turns around and jacks the prices up and the money goes into the pockets of the Walton family and there cronies, not the town that gave them government subsidies to move in there in the first place, and this is something that can be seen all over small town America, decimating the town cause where are you going to shop or even work at you no have much of a choice! I do agree SOMETHING has got to give my fellow shroomerites!
I'm neither support or oppose Walmart. You may think Walmart is this countries downfall (something I think is rather rediculous, but you certainly may believe it), but I think government is the problem. I do believe outsourcing of american jobs and industry is a problem for America, but guess who signed NAFTA. The Democrats god Bill Clinton that's who. Again government is the problem
Also if you would elaborate on how Walmart has anything to do with party lines & differences I'm sure it will be most entertaining
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"These Negroes,they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before,the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this,we've got to give them a little something,just enough to quiet them down,not enough to make a difference. For if we don't move at all,then their allies will line up against us and there'll be no way of stopping them,we'll lose the filibuster and there'll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It'll be Reconstruction all over again."
--Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D.,Texas),1957
"I did not lie awake at night worrying about the problems of Negroes."
--Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy,1961
"I do not think it is an exaggeration at all to say to my friend from West Virginia [Sen. Robert C. Byrd,a former Ku KluxKlan recruiter] that he would have been a great senator at any moment. . . . He would have been right during the great conflict of civil war in this nation."
--Sen. Christopher Dodd (D.,Conn.),2004
"I mean,you got the first mainstream African American [Barack Obama] who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice looking guy."
-- Sen. Joseph Biden Jr.,(D.,Del.),2006-07
"I am a former Kleagle [recruiter] of the Ku KluxKlan in Raleigh County. The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia. It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state in the union."
-- Democrat Senator Robert Byrd
"Blacks are inferior to the whites in the endowments of both of body and mind."
-- Father of the Democrat party Thomas Jefferson
"White folks was in caves while we was building empires... We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it."
-- 'The Rev' Al Sharpton
"Jews,that's J-E-W-S"
-- Democratic state representative Bill McKinney on why his daughter Cynthia lost in 2002
"You f*cking Jew b@stard"
-- Democrat Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to political operative Paul Fraymark
"I don't care what people are saying Uptown or wherever they are. This city will be chocolate at the end of the day. This city will be a majority African-American city. It's the way God wants it to be."
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zappaisgod said: People are not dying so health insurance can rake in millions (their profit margin is not that much)
False, health Insurance companies have profit margins well into the millions, and even billions.
UnitedHealth Group pulled in $5.1 billion net in 2011. Aetna earned $1.99 billion in 2011.
What is the profit margin?
http://www.google.com/finance?cid=665575
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Obamacare has given them even more power than before
No objections. PPACA funnels more money to them than ever before.
Then how come my insurance provider just told me that my policy will no longer exist after 12/31 and they aren't interested in selling people like me insurance at all? This is the third time since Obamacare was passed that my insurance has disappeared and the price has skyrocketed.
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"I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's not a n*gger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a White man from dust,a n*gger from mud,then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I. It is race prejudice,I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa,Yellow men in Asia and White men in Europe and America."
-Harry Truman (1911) in a letter to his future wife Bess
"You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent." -Senator Joe Biden
Mahatma Gandhi "ran a gas station down in Saint Louis."
-Senator Hillary Clinton
"You'd find these potentates from down in Africa,you know,rather than eating each other,they'd just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva." -- Fritz Hollings (D,S.C.)
"Is you their black-haired answer-mammy who be smart? Does they like how you shine their shoes,Condoleezza? Or the way you wash and park the whitey's cars?"
-- Left-wing radio host Neil Rogers
Blacks and Hispanics are "too busy eating watermelons and tacos" to learn how to read and write." -- Mike Wallace, CBS News. Source: Newsmax
Black on Black
"In the days of slavery,there were those slaves who lived on the plantation and [there] were those slaves that lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master ... exactly the way the master intended to have you serve him. Colin Powell's committed to come into the house of the master. When Colin Powell dares to suggest something other than what the master wants to hear,he will be turned back out to pasture." -- Harry Belafonte
"Republicans bring out Colin Powell and J.C. Watts because they have no program,no policy. They have no love and no joy. They'd rather take pictures with black children than feed them." -- Donna Brazile,Al Gore's Campaign Manager for the 2000 election
(On Clarence Thomas) "A handkerchief-head,chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom." -- Spike Lee
"He's married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn't want to be black."
-- California State Senator Diane Watson's on Ward Connerly's interracial marriage
Comments From The Past
"These laws [segregation] are still constitutional and I promise you that until they are removed from the ordinance books of Birmingham and the statute books of Alabama,they will be enforced in Birmingham to the utmost of my ability and by all lawful means."
-- Democrat Bull Connor (1957),Commissioner of Public Safety for Birmingham,Alabama
"I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
-- Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One according Ronald Kessler's Book,"Inside The White House"
(On New York) "K*ketown." -- Harry Truman in a personal letter
"There’s some people who’ve gone over the state and said,‘Well,George Wallace has talked too strong about segregation.’ Now let me ask you this: how in the name of common sense can you be too strong about it? You’re either for it or you’re against it. There’s not any middle ground as I know of." -- Democratic Alabama Governor George Wallace (1959)
On Jews
"The Jews don't like Farrakhan,so they call me Hitler. Well,that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man. He rose Germany up from the ashes." -- Louis Farrakhan (1984) who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002
"Now that nation called Israel,never has had any peace in forty years and she will never have any peace because there can never be any peace structured on injustice,thievery,lying and deceit and using the name of God to shield your dirty religion under his holy and righteous name." -- Louis Farrakhan who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002,1984
'Hymies.' 'Hymietown.' -- Jesse Jackson's description of New York City while on the 1984 presidential campaign trail.
"Jews —that's J-E-W-S." -- Democratic state representative Bill McKinney on why his daughter Cynthia lost in 2002
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"I want to go up to the closest white person and say: 'You can't understand this,it's a black thing' and then slap him, just for my mental health."
-- Charles Barron,a New York city councilman at a reparations rally,2002
"Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them." -- Mary Frances Berry,Chairwoman,US Commission on Civil Rights
(I) "will not let the white boys win in this election." -- Donna Brazile,Al Gore's Campaign Manager on the 2000 election
"The old white boys got taken fair and square." -- San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown after winning an election
"There are white n*ggers. I've seen a lot of white n*ggers in my time." -- Former Klansman and Current US Senator Robert Byrd,a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate" in March of 2001
"The Medicaid system must have been developed by a white male slave owner. It pays for you to be pregnant and have a baby,but it won't pay for much family planning." -- Jocelyn Elders
The white man is our mortal enemy,and we cannot accept him. I will fight to see that vicious beast go down into the lake of fire prepared for him from the beginning,that he never rise again to give any innocent black man,woman or child the hell that he has delighted in pouring on us for 400 years." -- Louis Farrakhan who campaigned for congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2002,City College audience in New York
"There's no great,white bigot; there's just about 200 million little white bigots out there." -- USA Today columnist Julienne Malveaux
"We have lost to the white racist press and to the racist reactionary Jewish misleaders." -- Former Rep. Gus Savage (D-Illinois) after his defeat 1992
"White folks was in caves while we was building empires... We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it." -- Rev. Al Sharpton in a 1994 speech at Kean College, NJ,cited in "Democrats Do the Dumbest Things
"The white race is the cancer of human history." -- Susan Sontag
"Reparations are a really good way for white people to admit they're wrong." -- Zack Webb,University Of Kentucky
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zappaisgod said: What damage? Your idea of it might differ from mine.
How about the TRILLION thats $1,000,000,000 fuck'n hole he put us in with his useless war in Iraq?
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Just how the pubs like'm: dumb, fat, poor, uninsured and RED
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zappaisgod said: People are not dying so health insurance can rake in millions (their profit margin is not that much)
False, health Insurance companies have profit margins well into the millions, and even billions.
UnitedHealth Group pulled in $5.1 billion net in 2011. Aetna earned $1.99 billion in 2011.
What is the profit margin?
http://www.google.com/finance?cid=665575
Aetna 4.6%. That is pissQuote:
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Obamacare has given them even more power than before
No objections. PPACA funnels more money to them than ever before.
Then how come my insurance provider just told me that my policy will no longer exist after 12/31 and they aren't interested in selling people like me insurance at all? This is the third time since Obamacare was passed that my insurance has disappeared and the price has skyrocketed.
I addressed the issues of profit margin above in my discussion with LDS. I do not think their profit margins are excessive, but they certainly "rake in millions."
I don't know why your insurance providers have chosen to do that, but I agreed with your point. The insurance companies got a great deal with the PPACA.
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zappaisgod said: What damage? Your idea of it might differ from mine.
How about the TRILLION thats $1,000,000,000 fuck'n hole he put us in with his useless war in Iraq?
That is over 10 years and is about the same as the means tested largesse given away in one year. Fucking peanuts.
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I addressed the issues of profit margin above in my discussion with LDS. I do not think their profit margins are excessive, but they certainly "rake in millions."
I don't know why your insurance providers have chosen to do that, but I agreed with your point. The insurance companies got a great deal with the PPACA.
If they got such a great deal how come they are abandoning a huge portion of the market?
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cc1 said: But how in the World can ANYONE trust the republicans hell actually I just think the dems. are the lesser of two evils.
How in the world can anyone trust Obama and democrats? he is a complete horse's ass, and then you have fucking complete morons, liars, and scoundrels like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid--jesus christ you trust THEM?
the truth is, with the exception of a few libertarians, the democrats and republicans are for all intents and purposes one and the same as far as almost all important policy goes.
Oh, the republicans raise a stink about morals, the democrats raise a stink about 'rights' etc, but whats more important? Fucking condoms for everyone, abortions, or whether or not you support gay marriage, or whether or not the country is going to be bankrupt in 10 years?
the democrats and republicans pick their sides by social issues, and its a big fucking noise-generating smoke screen so the people don't pay attention to the really important shit--like the value of the currency, whether or not people are working, etc.
Both sides are blowing smoke up our asses because they both gain their power from having a great big credit card that they can use to buy votes from various blocks of constituents.
The only difference is who they are spending the money on.
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social issues, and its a big fucking noise-generating smoke screen so the people don't pay attention to the really important shit--like the value of the currency, whether or not people are working, etc.
Finally something we can agree on. But it's the big pub money machines that are drive that train.
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For context, I might note that most of the poor work very hard. In fact, many of them work so hard that they have ruined their joints by age fifty or sixty. In terms of welfare, I have always thought that we should have a guaranteed jobs program. There are many jobs such as restoring damaged environments, captive breeding programs for endangered animals and plants, helping the elderly with mental simulation in nursing homes, tutoring students, etc. which private business cannot afford to do, but which are nevertheless needed. I think the reason we don't have a universal jobs program is that corporations don't want everyone able to do so to be employed. They would lose some of their control over their workers if their workers had somewhere else to go if they were abused, etc. The corporations us threats of unemployment and extreme poverty to have better control over their employees.
Now as to Obamacare. Remember that Republicans refused to pass the real cost control measure the Democrats proposed, the public healh insurance option. Prices could have been brought down by government giving cheaer nsurance, if Republican had allowed the public option to stay in the bill. In fact, it was the Republicans to force the Obamacare legislation in the first place. If the Democrats had had their druthers, they would have voted in a simple single payer univefssal health care system.
Other developed nations with universal health card (all in the world but the United States) pay anything from just less than half the cost of the private business American healh care system to slightly more than half of what we spend. America is spendiing about 17% of Gross Demestic Product for our system and rising. Germany, the most expensive universl health care3 nation spends about 11 percent of GDP, while most spend 8 or 9 percent. So you can see how much more we spend, and we don't cover everyone like those foreign nations do.
In addition, medical care is better in the universal health care developed nations. They have a longer average life expectancy. In addition, if you go to the United Nations website and look at the statistic, the universal health care systems are better than the American system on many other measures.
This inforation is being kept from American voters as much as possible, but the statistics which show the real situation are available.
So if thd Democrats had had their druthers, we would have ended up with a universal health care system which would have been much less expensive and provided better medical care.
With the current legislatiln, Democrats of course hope to reform it step by stem until it bcomes a universal health care system.
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In fact, many of them work so hard that they have ruined their joints by age fifty or sixty. In terms of welfare, I have always thought that we should have a guaranteed jobs program. There are many jobs such as restoring damaged environments, captive breeding programs for endangered animals and plants, helping the elderly with mental simulation in nursing homes, tutoring students, etc. which private business cannot afford to do, but which are nevertheless needed. I think the reason we don't have a universal jobs program is that corporations don't want everyone able to do so to be employed. They would lose some of their control over their workers if their workers had somewhere else to go if they were abused, etc. The corporations us threats of unemployment and extreme poverty to have better control over their employees.
What do corporations have to do with welfare? Do you know why we don't have real work for benefits programs? Public sector unions.Quote:
Now as to Obamacare. Remember that Republicans refused to pass the real cost control measure the Democrats proposed, the public healh insurance option. Prices could have been brought down by government giving cheaer nsurance, if Republican had allowed the public option to stay in the bill. In fact, it was the Republicans to force the Obamacare legislation in the first place. If the Democrats had had their druthers, they would have voted in a simple single payer univefssal health care system.
Yes, the commie cunts did want to completely ruin our health system by turning it into Canada. If they did that where would Canadians go for operations? Cheaper how? In what way does it make it cheaper for, say, me, a mondo taxpayer? It doesn't. It completely fucks me and degrades the industryQuote:
Other developed nations with universal health card (all in the world but the United States) pay anything from just less than half the cost of the private business American healh care system to slightly more than half of what we spend. America is spendiing about 17% of Gross Demestic Product for our system and rising. Germany, the most expensive universl health care3 nation spends about 11 percent of GDP, while most spend 8 or 9 percent. So you can see how much more we spend, and we don't cover everyone like those foreign nations do.
So? You're all over the place here. What do you mean by we? Sometimes its the government and sometimes it's private citizens. I got an idea. Except for completely indigent assholes, for whom we already had a program, let's get the government out of it entirely. There is absolutely no reason to believe that government health insurance will lower costs of care. It is just going to restrict choice and shift the cost. Do you know who gets fucked the most? Young healthy males are getting completely fucked.Quote:
In addition, medical care is better in the universal health care developed nations. They have a longer average life expectancy. In addition, if you go to the United Nations website and look at the statistic, the universal health care systems are better than the American system on many other measures.
The fuck it is. The United Nations is a joke and I have had two potentially fatal cancers that I would have had just slightly better than even chance of surviving in the UK. Ib the US? Well over 90%Quote:
This inforation is being kept from American voters as much as possible, but the statistics which show the real situation are available.
The NY Times and many others have been shouting this nonsense for years. What the fuck are you talking about that the information is being kept from voters? The "information" has been all over the place for years and yearsQuote:
So if thd Democrats had had their druthers, we would have ended up with a universal health care system which would have been much less expensive and provided better medical care.
Another thing the people do not want, there is no evidence that it will be cheaper and certainly no evidence that it will be better.Quote:
With the current legislatiln, Democrats of course hope to reform it step by stem until it bcomes a universal health care system.
Jim
Yes we know that. First they give a taste and then they hook you forever. See the Ponzi scheme known as social security.
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