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LoveLightPeace



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Question about fanning n misting
#18924002 - 10/02/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dsnt it make more sense to fan the FC first and THEN mist so as to get all the CO2 out first, by fanning instead of "trapping" the CO2 by misting first! ?
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No it's the other way around
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PussyFart
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LoveLightPeace said: Dsnt it make more sense to fan the FC first and THEN mist so as to get all the CO2 out first, by fanning instead of "trapping" the CO2 by misting first! ?
We do not fan to remove co2, and the co2 does not get "trapped" when we mist.
The co2 flows naturally out of the top of the chamber riding the heat and humidity currents generated by the cakes/substrates.
It does not sink, or drain out the bottom...so if you are thinking it does, well you are wrong.
Co2 does not settle out of air, and it does not sink...
We fan after misting to make room for evaporation of the water we just applied.
The water cannot evaporate if the humidity is constantly at 100%, it would have no place to go.
So we fan out the chamber to remove some of the old humid air, and replace it with less humid air so evaporation can occur.
The chamber should already be getting constant FAE, which also helps dissipate the co2.
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LoveLightPeace



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Re: Question about fanning n misting [Re: PussyFart]
#18924041 - 10/03/13 12:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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LoveLightPeace said: Dsnt it make more sense to fan the FC first and THEN mist so as to get all the CO2 out first, by fanning instead of "trapping" the CO2 by misting first! ?
We do not fan to remove co2, and the co2 does not get "trapped" when we mist.
The co2 flows naturally out of the top of the chamber riding the heat and humidity currents generated by the cakes/substrates.
It does not sink, or drain out the bottom...so if you are thinking it does, well you are wrong.
Co2 does not settle out of air, and it does not sink...
We fan after misting to make room for evaporation of the water we just applied.
The water cannot evaporate if the humidity is constantly at 100%, it would have no place to go.
So we fan out the chamber to remove some of the old humid air, and replace it with less humid air so evaporation can occur.
The chamber should already be getting constant FAE, which also helps dissipate the co2.
Thnnx. And so if the co2 flows naturally out of the top, then does this mean that drilling holes at the bottom of SGFC is unnecessary?
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LoveLightPeace said: Thnnx. And so if the co2 flows naturally out of the top, then does this mean that drilling holes at the bottom of SGFC is unnecessary?
If it was unnecessary it would have been left out of the tek...
1/4" holes every 2" in a grid pattern on all 6 sides....filled with 4-5" of moist perlite....raised so air can pass up thru the bottom holes and up thru the perlite......in a room with no running fans.
That is all.
It is that simple.
The rising heat/humidity leaving the top holes draws in fresh air thru the bottom holes, bringing humid air from the water evaporating off the perlite with it.
It is a continuous circle.
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Re: Question about fanning n misting [Re: PussyFart]
#18924076 - 10/03/13 12:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thnx
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Re: Question about fanning n misting [Re: PussyFart]
#18924144 - 10/03/13 01:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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LoveLightPeace said: Dsnt it make more sense to fan the FC first and THEN mist so as to get all the CO2 out first, by fanning instead of "trapping" the CO2 by misting first! ?
We do not fan to remove co2, and the co2 does not get "trapped" when we mist.
The co2 flows naturally out of the top of the chamber riding the heat and humidity currents generated by the cakes/substrates.
It does not sink, or drain out the bottom...so if you are thinking it does, well you are wrong.
Co2 does not settle out of air, and it does not sink...
We fan after misting to make room for evaporation of the water we just applied.
The water cannot evaporate if the humidity is constantly at 100%, it would have no place to go.
So we fan out the chamber to remove some of the old humid air, and replace it with less humid air so evaporation can occur.
The chamber should already be getting constant FAE, which also helps dissipate the co2.
carbon dioxide doesn't flow "naturally" out of the top of a container. and if it does flow out of the top of a container its with an air current and a pretty strong one at that. this has actually been bothering me for quite some time now considering I'm a welder and a and use and argon/co2 mix for a sheilding gas. now that thats said oxygen has a molecular weight of 14 and carbon has a molecular weight of 44. so no matter what temp, carbon will always be hevier. dry ice is co2 which floats across the ground.
now the third point Im going to make talks about that test that you quoated RR on when I made the assumption that carbon dioxide sinks out the bottom of the tubs.you had saidd that the carbon dioxide floats out of the sides and tops of the tubs/FC more often than not, while your right(kinda) its also a misconception considering what is actually floating out of the top is very weak carbonic acid.If you read up on co2 you will find that after co2 is removed from the atmosphere it will stay in small eddies closer to the ground where it will be absorbed into a water source or the soil to make carbonic acid. so in short co2 either sinks out the bottom of the FC,flows out on its own,or is oborbed into the humidity and rises with the heat and air(its this one ).
and of course I back up my info so here are some links.#1#2
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Re: Question about fanning n misting [Re: kinkaku]
#18924160 - 10/03/13 01:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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kinkaku said: carbon dioxide doesn't flow "naturally" out of the top of a container. and if it does flow out of the top of a container its with an air current and a pretty strong one at that.
It does when there are cakes sitting in it that constantly generate heat and humidity currents....both heat and humidity rise last time I checked.
I can see where this is going...the same conversation I have everyday when i say co2 does not settle out of air.
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kinkaku said: this has actually been bothering me for quite some time now considering I'm a welder and a and use and argon/co2 mix for a sheilding gas. now that thats said oxygen has a molecular weight of 14 and carbon has a molecular weight of 44. so no matter what temp, carbon will always be hevier. dry ice is co2 which floats across the ground.
Yes, co2 is heavier than air, but only by a fraction.
It mixes in with the air.
And yes, the co2 that falls off dry ice does fall, but then what happens to it?
Does it stay on the floor?
No, it eventually disperses evenly into the air and dissapears.
No one is talking about concentrated co2 here, so let's not get off track.
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kinkaku said: now the third point Im going to make talks about that test that you quoated RR on when I made the assumption that carbon dioxide sinks out the bottom of the tubs.you had saidd that the carbon dioxide floats out of the sides and tops of the tubs/FC more often than not, while your right(kinda) its also a misconception considering what is actually floating out of the to the ground where it will be absorbed into a water source or the soil to make carbonic acid. top is very weak carbonic acid.If you read up on co2 you will find that after co2 is removed from the atmosphere it will stay in small eddies closer so in short co2 either sinks out the bottom of the FC,flows out on its own,or is oborbed into the humidity and rises with the heat and air(its this one ).
and of course I back up my info so here are some links.#1#2
All I know is that if co2 actually settled out of air and sank, we would never be able to sleep on the floor, and we would all most likely be dead from all the massive amounts of co2 that have fallen out of the atmosphere.
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Edited by PussyFart (10/03/13 01:10 AM)
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Re: Question about fanning n misting [Re: PussyFart]
#18924185 - 10/03/13 01:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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look the last thing I want to do is argue but as I already stated co2 mix's with water or soil and thats how it gets reobsorbed and there is water in the air so there you go.
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Re: Question about fanning n misting [Re: kinkaku]
#18924190 - 10/03/13 01:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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We will have to agree to disagree here....
If there is no water in the air we must be living in 0% humidity at all times.....
Sounds really dry....
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Edited by PussyFart (10/03/13 01:33 AM)
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Re: Question about fanning n misting [Re: PussyFart]
#18924207 - 10/03/13 01:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
We will have to agree to disagree here....
If there is no water in the air we must be living in 0% humidity at all times.....
Sounds really dry....
 agree to disagree haha
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Re: Question about fanning n misting [Re: kinkaku]
#18924221 - 10/03/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol
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